- Who's the oldest person you've dated?
- Dated, Dated or had sex with?
- Both, it don't matter
- I think the oldest I probably had sex with
was definitely in their 50's.
- Was that for money?
- Shut
up
(upbeat music)
- Hi
Who are you two, and how do you know each other?
- I'm Austin, and I am Craig's adopted son
- How old were you when you were adopted?
- I was 13,
my mother was a drug addict and I was taken away
from my parents and was given custody to my parents now.
- When did you start considering Craig a father?
- Probably about two years
- When Austin first came to us,
it was hard for us to get him to talk about things.
It took him almost a year, year and a half
before he would even talk to us.
Then he watched us, he started to trust us,
and then he started blooming into this beautiful,
amazing, artistic creature.
- What do you guys think of the label queer?
- I don't have a problem with it
- I will use the word alt life,
queer and faggot have a painful connotation to me,
but the new generation absolutely
have adopted it as a banner, if you will.
- Do you wanna get into it?
- Yeah, let's play this game
- Austin, can you ask your father?
- Yes
- Who was your first queer crush?
- Rob Lowe was my first
crush on a guy,
"About Last Night", the movie.
I think there was a scene where he was walking
down the stairs to get the mail or something,
in his tighty whities.
I'm telling you right now,
when he walked out in those tighty whities, that,
that blew my mind.
- You took that VHS tape into your room,
(tongue clicking)
(laughter)
- Are you a top, bottom, or verse?
I really, like,
can we just move onto the next?
(laughter)
- Cheers, kid.
Austin, what is the queerest thing I do?
- (indistinguishable)
(laughing)
Craig used to be a very well known drag queen
named Amy Zhan.
What is the queerest thing that you've seen me do?
- Besides your butt flaps on Instagram,
a lot.
(laughs)
Oh my God, can we say that on here?
(laughing)
The queerest thing, you know, Austin
I'm just going to tell you this right now, son.
I don't think of you on those terms.
I think of you as my kid, who's out there living his life.
Who's the oldest person you've dated?
- Dated, Dated or had sex with?
- Both. It don't matter.
- I think the oldest I probably had sex with,
it was definitely in their 50's.
- Was that for money?
- Shut
up
Oh
my God.
You know I'ma tell you what,
50 year olds on the West coast really know how
to preserve themselves.
- You need to put that down
Put that down, put that down.
- Do you have any sex advice for me?
- Absolutely, enjoy it, it's not bad.
It's one of the most potent and beautiful things
two people can ever share.
- Well, sometimes there's more than two.
(hands slapping)
- Do you think you raised me differently
because I'm queer?
- If the gauge is heterosexuality is the norm
and the way we raised you in an alt life is not,
absolutely we did not raise you normal.
- How would you have raised me differently
if I was straight?
- I think that I would have watched you
and as things came through, I would talk to you about that.
Whatever I think you needed to know,
I would have shared regardless of your sexuality.
What's one of your roots?
A moment you were young where you realized you were queer.
- That's the part
of the reason why we had some family issues,
I was noticeably gay from a very young age,
like four or five years old with my biological family
and wanting to play dress up and playing house,
and I was like, I want to be the mom
and I don't want there to be another female.
And my mom and my biological father were very hateful
and homophobic towards me,
and so she was like, I hate you
but I have to deal with you.
What does queer liberation mean to you?
- Absolutely get rid of the word queer.
Get rid of,
identifying yourself with a sexuality
that is about 10, 5% of who you are.
- Do you ever hide your queerness and in what settings?
- Absolutely. So I am from an area that, you know,
same sex adults together was not acceptable
- I wouldn't even say it's not just acceptable,
some people literally lack the ability
to
understand or fathom that
- Absolutely, Austin, but guess what?
That's their path
and we,
we need to let them live that path
until their spirit opens up
- The stuff that people do here in Seattle,
like the way I'm currently even dressed,
I wear tighter clothes and a little more flamboyant.
Being there and me dressing like this,
or like even if I was in a relationship with somebody
and holding their hands,
I am actually putting my life at risk.
When I was in high school, I used to receive death threats.
I remember being at a McDonald's
and
I was like 18, 19
and there was this guy who was like mid 50's
maybe even early 60's who was throwing food at me
and calling me a faggot,
how we should all be lined up and shot
in the head execution style.
Not everyone's like that,
but it's more,
it's not as safe
to
be
that
degree of myself.
- Craig, you really reacted.
- Yeah, absolutely,
I don't want Austin to feel unsafe anywhere
When you hear your son or your kids say they feel unsafe,
that's a trigger.
Are we going to carry on a conversation
about what he's experienced
and what I can do to make him feel comfortable?
Absolutely.
- Do you ever worry about my safety?
- All the time.
There are mean people in this world
and if you ever come across a harsh, ignorant person,
years of dedication in a relationship
between us both could be snatched out of our lives.
I don't know what my world would be like
without the thought of you.
Absolutely I worry about your safety. 100%.
Oh,
Austin, was I a good parent
to you when you were growing up and,
whew, shit,
what could have I done differently?
- No parent is perfect,
whether you're gay, straight,
I'm happy for everything that you've done for me,
and I wouldn't ever change anything about that.
As of right now, where I'm at in my life
I have never been more happy
and more comfortable in my own skin.
I've always been able to be myself
as a result of y'all's upbringing.
I am very grateful for everything you have done.
And I love you very much.
- I love you too,
I don't know why that was so hard.
- Was this good?
- Yeah!
- Was this fun? Would you play this?
- Yeah.
- Play at www.truthordrink.com
Get drunk with your, with your dad.