BIG PROBLEM HEADING TO 2020.
>> Shannon: KRISTIN, THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
THE WORLD COMES TO GRIP WITH
ANOTHER STUNNING ACT OF TERROR.
FINGER-POINTING INEVITABLY ON
THE DOMESTIC FRONT IN HERE TO
DISCUSS, FORMER CIA ANALYST,
GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH US, YOU
HEARD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT AND HIS WORDS, HIS
RHETORIC TO BLAME BUT HERE IS
WHAT THE NATIONAL EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF CARE HAD TO SAY
TODAY.
>> DURING THE PRESIDENCY AND
DURING YOUR ELECTION CAMPAIGN,
THIS IS ISLAMOPHOBIA -- AND
ATTACK ON INNOCENT IMMIGRANTS
AND MOSQUES HAVE SKYROCKETED.
>> LESS THAN 24 HOURS OUT BUT
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE EFFORTS
TO LINK THE PRESIDENT
TO THIS ATTACK OVERSEAS?
>> WELL THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE
TERRORIST WANTED AND HE MADE
THAT EXPLICIT AND CLEAR ABOUT
WHAT WE SEE IS AN EVOLUTION OF
THIS KIND OF ATTACK WERE
SOCIAL MEDIA IS USEFUL FOR THESE
INDIVIDUALS TO FIND LIKE-MINDED
PEOPLE TO RADICALIZE AND OFTEN
POSED AND MANIFESTO NOW BECAUSE
OF ADVANCING TECHNOLOGY EASY TO
LIE, STREAM IT TO MAKE SURE IT
GETS AS WIDE DISTRIBUTION AS
POSSIBLE WHILE IT IS GOING ON.
AND WHAT HE'S DONE AN
UNFORTUNATE REPEATED IN FUTURE
ATTACKS IS THAT HE HAS BROUGHT
IN SENSITIVE FLASH POINTS AND
CHARACTERS AND INDIVIDUALS HE
HAS TIED TO THIS THAT HAVE
NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BUT NOW
WHENEVER PEOPLE WANT TO, THEY
WILL HAVE AN EXCUSE, OH,
INDIVIDUAL ACTS WHO INSPIRE
NEW ZEALAND SHOOTER AND THAT
JUST GOES WITH AN INITIAL
PURPOSE WHICH IS TO CREATE THE
VERY DIVISIONS THAT SOME PEOPLE
UNFORTUNATELY GIVING OXYGEN
>> Shannon: BUZZFEED SAID
THIS, I ENCOURAGE COLLEAGUES TO
BE EXTRAORDINARILY CAUTIOUS WITH
CHRIST'S CHURCH RADICALIZATION.
SOME OF THE CLAIMS IN THE
MANIFESTO OBVIOUSLY SARCASTIC
AND IF ANYTHING IN CONTRADICTING
SUCH AN INTERPRETATION.
BUT HE SAID HE DID TALK ABOUT
THE FACT HE WANTED TO CREATE
DIVISION AND CHAOS IN THE U.S.
>> Buck: THIS GUY IS OBVIOUSLY
MALIGNANT, NARCISSIST AND
PSYCHOPATH AND WHEN PEOPLE
READING THROUGH THIS, THEY
SHOULD UNDERSTAND SOMEONE
OBVIOUSLY CLEARLY DISTURBED, BUT
I ALSO THINK WHEN YOU HAVE SEEN
IN THE PAST PEOPLE SOMETIMES
DEBATING FOREIGN POLICY
MANEUVERS, DECISIONS, THEY SAY
WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY IN THE
TERRORIST HANDS BY PICKING
PEOPLE NAMED IN THIS MANIFESTO
THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH
THIS, THAT DIDN'T INSPIRE THE
ATTACK, DON'T KNOW THE
INDIVIDUAL.
I DON'T TOUCH ON THE SUBJECTS IN
SOME CASES THAT HE IS SO FIXATED
ON.
THAT IS, IN FACT PULLING INTO
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HE
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HW
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HN
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HS
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HA
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HD
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HH
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT H'
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HS
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HE
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HP
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HI
THIS TERRORIST HANDS AND WHAT HT
ABOUT THAT.
AND HE HAS STATED IT.
I THINK THE MOVEMENT ESPECIALLY
ON LINE TO DRAW AS MUCH OXYGEN
AWAY FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL AND
HIS ATTACK AND TO TRY TO DAMPEN
THE AFTERMATH OF THIS SUCH THAT
IT DOESN'T BECOME SOMETHING THAT
OTHER EXTREMISTS WANT TO
REPLICATE.
THAT IS THE BEST YOU CAN REALLY
HOPE FOR IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE TO
TRY TO DEAL WITH THIS GOING
FORWARD.
>> Shannon: AND OUT THE
MUDDIED ATTEMPT TO BRING PEOPLE
TOGETHER AND TO HAVE MUSLIM
COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND JEWISH
COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND CHRISTIAN
SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THE WAYS
THAT THEY CAN TRY TO ROOT OUT
THIS RADICAL UTILIZATION AND
SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND PEOPLE
HAVE NO FAITH AT ALL.
DOES THIS DRIVE A WEDGE TO HAVE
THAT CONVERSATION?
>> Buck: CERTAINLY THE
TERRORIST HOPE SO IN THE
STRONGEST REBUKE THAT WE COULD
POSSIBLY HAVE IN NEW ZEALAND AND
AROUND THE WORLD IS FOR AS MUCH
UNITY AND COLONY AS POSSIBLE
BETWEEN ALL PEOPLES, PEOPLE OF
ISLAMIC FAITH, ALL FAITH AND NOT
ALLOW HIM TO GET EXACTLY WHAT HE
WANTS WHICH HE WANTS PEOPLE TO
DO.
UNFORTUNATELY WHAT PEOPLE ARE
DOING POINTING TO THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
AND WELL-KNOWN FIGURES IN OTHER
COUNTRIES AND JUST USING THIS TO
SCORE, REALLY, CHEAP AND SHORT
TERM POLITICAL POINTS AGAINST
INDIVIDUALS I'M SURE ACROSS THE
BOARD ALL FEEL TERRIBLY ABOUT
WHAT HAS HAPPENED.
HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.
THEY SHOULD NOT BE THE USUAL
CHEAP SHOT REDEEM BUT THIS IS
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING SO FAR
SINCE THIS HAPPENED.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE LEARNED
MUCH ON THIS BUT I DON'T THINK