what do you do when you have two extreme ownership believers that have to go against each other ooh
sounds like a big challenging question but it actually shouldn't be because
if you think about this if you truly think about this this should not be an issue and here's why
go against each other against each other so what are the goals are are these two people on the same
team i'm assuming that they're on the same team right they're on the same team so if they're on
the same team and we want to win we have the same goals we want to win but we won't work together
because if the goal is to win and we both want to win why would we be going
against each other we are not taping taking actual extreme ownership because if you and i were
had opposing ideas but we had the same long-term goal i'm going to take ownership and say all right
echo we're going to come to terms here we're going to work this out we got to and if you were doing
the same thing you'd be like yeah absolutely let's sit down let's figure this out let's
figure out what's going to be the best let's take it to market let's do a market system we're going
to figure out a real solution because we're taking ownership of it so what's the little little nugget
that's getting into the system here and screwing things up it's it's ego 100 and i will say this
occasionally the idea of extreme ownership can be very poorly and very incorrectly interpreted as
micromanagement in egomania meaning like i'm gonna own this i own this this is mine right
we're not that's not what extreme ownership is at all it's you you've
got to own everything but you don't you don't feel the intrinsic need to do everything right
because you own it's like owning the outcome right and owning the progress
and owning these steps along the way and owning the responsibility of mission achievement it
doesn't mean that you own each individual step and you have to make it your way that's
not extreme ownership that's micromanagement what you know so extreme ownership is about
leadership and decentralized command and using indirect tactics to make things happen and owning
the outcome so that's that's why when you if you have two people that were truly about like hey
i'm gonna own this i'm gonna do i'm gonna have the attitude of extreme ownership if you and i
have the attitude of extreme ownership we're not going to fight over anything because we have the
same long-term goal and if you come up with a better idea of how to get there i'm going to say
oh echo awesome job that's a great way we're going to get to where we want to go we own that outcome
we're going to make it happen boom i'm going to support you the only time it's going to be
a problem is if i have an ego and then you have an ego when we both have an ego issue and and usually
one person with a big ego that that inflames other people's egos
because if i say hey echo i got a great plan for how to do this we need to execute it my way
there's a little bit of ego coming out some because now your ego was down but all of a
sudden you're like what do you mean your way right wait wait a second just right there now
we got a thing right now we got some cop kind of issue going you know we're now we're working
against each other instead of working together so that is uh that is absolutely problematic and
i guess to say to put this in a nutshell the if you're using the principle of extreme ownership
the most important thing you need to take extreme ownership of is your own ego and put that thing in
check yeah it seems like the extreme ownership as far as owning it is more is essentially take
responsibility like at all costs kind of thing for more like the j the bad stuff that happens
oh absolutely the bad stuff absolutely the best but you know but you're going to take because
absolutely if you and i do something great together and i was the leader i don't go yes
that's right i was the i'm you know you say hey first of all this was mostly on echo he did most
the work he did all the you know that's what i'm going to say i'm not going to say no this is mine
but when something goes wrong obviously i don't say no it's echo's fault no i say hey this is my
fault you know i should have done double check on the audio before we started the podcast because uh
you know we wanted to make sure that thing was recording right i don't say no echo drop the ball
yeah i don't do that tell him i say hey you should have double checked so that's if you truly have
two people that have real ownership and they put their egos in check this is literally not an issue
right so they yeah this isn't even a question for that right because they don't go against
each other they're going with each other and so what are the chances that you as a person that's
really put your ego in check and you're exercising extreme ownership what are the chances that you
work with another person that is exactly with the same mindset taking ownership but no ego
what are the chances that they're actually pretty slim this is not easy to do this it's simple not
easy right so that means you have to be even more proactive in helping adapt to their ego scenario
that's happening and when echo says hey we need to do this my way i'll be like hey you know what echo
let's take a look at it absolutely you've always come up with great plans let's take a look at
what this one is here and all of a sudden i've disarmed you a little bit you're feeling good
about it you're like oh yeah that's right jack was gonna listen to me because uh
that's that's great that's exactly what i want you to think it's exactly what i want you to think
so you're gonna have work to do you're gonna have work to do that's that's what that's what
that's what it is it's a challenge it's work but when you have the basic principles the i shouldn't
say basically when you have the fundamental principles they are going to work well for you and
when they're not working well for you don't get mad at the other person and blame their ego look
at your own ego because you can adjust and adapt and maneuver and get that person disarmed and you
can flank them and then you're going to win that's so interesting that how this question is like that
like it seems like when like when i first read it i was like oh shoot that's a good question
you know when they're and it is but in a different way because this question is essentially what it
does is it like what they call it like a strainer or whatever like it shifts it sifs strains out the
guy who's not doing extreme ownership see how it says if they're both exercising it but if they're
going against each other that means there's some extreme ownership not being practiced somewhere
in here we don't know but we're gonna we can find out you know who's going against who kind
of thing if they're both going against each other well maybe they both have it you know
but there's always gonna be one person well not always but there's usually me one person
that is got it that understands it and that's gonna be working and this guy is just so good
and so smooth and so tactical and they're going to win and that other person that's
like that's right you know why we're winning because i got extreme ownership going on and i
i took ownership of this project and you know what the guy says like the real the real
leader he's like absolutely man you did a great job with that and meanwhile he knows he just
he just manipulated and flanked him and made it happen to the best of the best for the team
you know he's keeping the train going that's good indeed interesting