- You know what's thinner than 16 millimeters?
15.1 millimeters.
This is the well not, I don't know
if it's the thinnest keyboard,
but it is a super thin 75% keyboard.
It's mechanical, but it's optical.
So apparently that lets them get a little bit thinner
than your Gateron low-profile switches.
Part of the problem is apparently they don't sound,
they don't always sound as good
and they don't always feel as good.
And the thing about mechanical keyboards
is half of this, at least, is just how good it feels
and how good it sounds.
So this is from Vissles it's the LP85,
it's a 75% keyboard and it comes out in about a month.
It's on Kickstarter right now
and they've reached all their funding.
So at this point you're not gambling on anything except
for them finishing the product, I guess.
They've tripled their funding or just about,
I think they're $140 retail, but if you kickstart it,
it's like a hundred bucks, so.
- [Jono] Hmm, pre-ordering is good.
- Pre-ordering can be good, pre-ordering can
just also be very, very bad.
So I have been burned on Kickstarters before
and I have been burned pre-ordering games before.
And so opening the box,
we get this nice little layout, not a placard, but a little,
Ooh, it's got quick, short commands on the back.
So yeah, it's a cool little sheet
with all your handy shortcuts.
Most of these though, aren't anything too different
from your shortcuts that you have on your keyboard already.
The only other thing I'm seeing here is, there's a little
like how to pair guide right there.
This thing can pair to, I think, up to three devices.
So it's pretty handy if you move around a lot,
if you've got like a tablet you work on, a desktop
you work on, and then you also take it away with you,
like with a laptop or something.
Oh, you know what, it's not nearly as flexy as some
of the other slim keyboards we've had here too.
Like there is flex to it, but it's like,
it's really not bad.
Yeah, even on the overhead, like you can see it,
but it's really not much.
I'm always worried when flexing these things,
I'm just going to snap them or something.
So you can't attach extra feet to it to change the angle.
I mean, you can just put it on something, I guess,
but these rubber pads will at least keep it in place
for when you're moving around.
Like yeah, even on a desk mat, it doesn't really want
to move, which is nice.
The one drawback,
is that I'm pretty sure it only comes
in clickey.
So I hope you like clickeys.
I don't, at all.
Oh this is just like a surprisingly robust manual.
I'm saying that before I open it,
this thing might be like two pages,
but in like 20 languages. Oh,
it's got a bunch of dimensions too, which is actually handy.
Like I said, these are things that are usually
like on the site.
So you've got like a two degree slope angle,
which it's not much like, like I said, for instance, for me,
the two degrees isn't enough.
I like more like three to five degrees even.
Cause I like typing at a weird angle. I mean,
that's not that weird actually. I don't know.
Okay. Whatever manual, boring.
What else is in here?
We have a cable.
That's pretty standard, USB A to C.
Yeah. Kind of whatever.
Ooh, and there's like a coffee sticker
and a handshake sticker.
You know, you want to shake hands,
shake hands with a Vissles
Let's take a little bit closer
look at the keyboard itself though.
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So one thing a lot of you will notice right away if you buy
this is it's ABS key caps instead of PBT.
I know PBT is basically better.
Like everyone kind of likes it more.
I actually really like ABS, I like the weird shininess
it gets and I like how it's like, I don't know,
I just like the feel of it.
So I'm perfectly fine with this.
Yeah, there's no key cap puller or switch puller.
I don't think this is hot-swappable.
I think a lot of optical switches are hot-swappable.
Again, I'm not like super in optical switches,
so I don't know a ton about them,
but we need a key cap puller,
cause I gotta look under these bad boys.
Again, it's only clicky.
So if you don't like clicky's, you're kind of out of luck.
I don't like the space bar.
It's a minor thing, but the space bar just feels too low.
Like this whole thing is pretty flat,
but the key caps like feel pretty good, and it is thin like,
look at this thing.
- [Jono] You know what you need to find out, use this.
- Oh my God.
Yeah, so we're going to use our banana.
So yeah, this thing is like two banana,
a banana and a half long, pretty much, one banana count.
I'll be very scientific when measuring this thing.
Yeah. It's about a banana and a half long.
So it's pretty sweet.
And it's about two thirds of a banana tall or wide I guess.
And then it's like barely a bin. It's not even a tip.
It's not even a banana tip tall.
So it goes up to about 15.1 millimeters
with the key caps on.
So this is one of the, one of,
if not the thinnest keyboard that I've ever typed on.
And I like it. I like how little desk space it takes up.
I like how low profile it is.
It looks good.
I like how spaced out all the keys are with it being 75%,
it's all very uniform.
So I don't know if it's just the opticals or these opticals
in particular, but it does feel like a little bit mushy,
which is weird.
Yeah there's like a little bit of cushion
on the very bottom that I'm not particularly fond of,
but the rest of it, like it feels okay.
Like I would still type on this over membrane any day.
So let's try and take one of these off.
I don't even know if you can, I've said this before,
but I don't like cases that go directly down like this
cause it's really hard to take the key caps off.
There we go, cool.
Oh yeah, that is thin.
This switch will not fit in here.
No matter how hard you try, I mean, I shouldn't say
that someone's going to try it and then,
- [Brandon] ... and waste a hundred bucks.
- finagle their way into it.
Johnathon, what do you think of this one?
Is this better than the NuPhy or worse?
- First off I do like the way it looks.
It's very reminiscent of Apple's magic keyboard.
I like clickys.
- Yeah.
- I like Mac keyboards.
- So this can have Mac,
- It can have a command input key?
Is it in the box?
- Yeah, you can have the Command key there.
I don't think it's in the box,
I think they only sent us the Windows version,
but you can totally get it with a Command key
and like an Option key.
- The font isn't bad on here.
- Yeah.
- I bet, is it an intentional decision that they kind
of weighted in it towards the top of the, oh, RGB.
- But it lets you read it either easier, look.
- Yeah, can it just be like white?
- It has 19 modes, there's yeah,
so there's 19 RGB modes for you
to put basically whatever you want in there.
- The keys like the text on the keys being
a little bit tall, higher than the center,
I'm curious about, I don't think,
- Off centered?
- It's not, it's either not off-centered enough,
it looks like a mistake as opposed to intentional.
- I see what you mean, Yeah.
- Yeah.
- It's like it's just top left a little bit, eh?
But not very much.
- Yeah, that kills me.
- Now that you mentioned that,
I noticed that too, in general.
- I'd say it's pretty nice.
- It's pretty nice.
- Thank you.
It's a 2000 milliamp hour battery, so if you don't want
to run it wired, it lasts I think about four days
without the RGB turned on.
If you turn on the lights, then obviously that's going
to eat up more of your juice.
You can see it just fine as long as it's not too dark
in the room and hey, you know what?
They've got the home row little nubbins here.
So you can just feel when you're actually on the home row.
A lot of people don't even know what those are.
And it's pretty and I like it, so let's type.
(keys clacking quickly)
112, 98% accuracy. It's not bad.
I think it's my best here.
Like I said before though, this thing it does feel like
it's got a cushion or something
like it's not quite a membrane,
but when you bottom out, it feels almost squishy.
I don't know, it's kind of hard to describe surprisingly,
but I'm not crazy about it.
Like it doesn't feel bad, but I don't know
if I'd go so far as to say it feels okay or good.
I don't know if that's just the optical switch that they've
designed, cause I'm pretty sure
this is a proprietary optical and we tried pulling
a key cap off and then taking the switch out
and you can't, it's not hot swap or if it is,
it's not easy and I couldn't figure it out within the
time frame that we have here today.
So you're kind of stuck with these clickys
if you do buy this thing.
I think it's not bad.
I think for the value, especially if you get
it from Kickstarter for about a hundred bucks,
I think it's pretty nice.
You're not going to get a bunch of chatter on these guys.
They should last you quite a while.
And optical is supposed to be crazy fast.
Like that's the thing about them
is you're just actioning a light.
So you're turning a laser on or off or you're letting
the light shine through, either way it's supposed
to be near instant versus a mechanical switch
having to send an impulse and all that.
I'm going to do the typing test in wireless again,
it's Bluetooth 5.0, so it's probably about
the same speed or pretty close.
I highly doubt it's going to be anything noticeable,
but you never know.
(keys clacking)
122, a hundred percent.
That's about what I can do like on average,
if I'm actually trying to type and not trying to talk
and think about things at the same time.
Yeah. It's a pretty nice keyboard.
I think that if you're looking for something super thin,
and mechanical and optical,
then this is probably the keyboard for you,
especially at the price point of about a hundred dollars
if you get it with the Kickstarter.
My only major complaints I'd say are the switches
do feel a little weird.
They're not perfect, but they're okay.
They do feel a little bit better than membrane.
My other issue is the angle of the slope.
It's only two degrees, which is very minimal.
So if you like a more sloped keyboard,
something that's more like this.
That's like a five or seven degree difference.
This might not be for you because it doesn't come with feet
to change anything.
You've just got the anti-slip silicone on the bottom.
It's also great if you're an apple user.
But other than that, I'm gonna stick
to my big TKL or 80% keyboards.
If you liked this video or you like this keyboard,
check out our video on the NuPhy Air75.
That's another good option
for a very slim, thin, 75% mechanical keyboard.
Thanks for watching.