our next segment is is aimed at builders and we want to pick a topic every week
we get into and this is the classic builders dilemma right now which is do
you build LGA 1151 or LGA 2011 v3 or basically skylake vs. haswell-e slash
Broadwell e now what do you guys run at home and your gaming rigs
yeah well Brad and I are running the same the same card which is the same
processor which is that 35 70 K which was back in the day that was the the
Builder dream I mean rich yep that and it was a mid
grade I 5 you could overclock that thing pretty well and back it I mean that was
2012 or 2013 when I built that yeah 2012 when I build that machine back then that
was the processor to get because no games were using more than four cores
right matter anything that is a quad core CPU no hyper 30 yeah no hyper
threading off yeah but it was like at the time I think that was like a $300
CPU and 250 usually that's like the i5 is usually like 230 250 yeah I think it
I think it was around yeah 250 280 at the time because it was they were still
pretty high but yeah I was you know I bought that and now it is is long in the
tooth it is the weak point of my system so would you it still runs pretty much
any more schemes pretty well yeah it but but it is definitely when we're talking
in talking DirectX 12 that is the the weak point so you guys are pretty happy
with your your i5 s I mean hyper throw hyper threading for gaming for me I mean
I don't have too much from too many problems running games in it but I'm
interested in upgrading this year actually I mean so much because of the
cpu performance increase but because of the ecosystem that's now around these
newer yeah chips because I mean this doesn't support PCIe SSD so on so forth
scrap like that there's been so much advancement or
the CPU that I'm really looking forward to upgrading probably this year well are
you gonna yeah and I agree because really that if you have a ivory bridge
or even a Sandy Bridge quad you're fine but that ships it around it is ancient
there's no USB three support there's no PCIe three support there's
USB 3 really sucks that performance sucks
sorry but so on come on are you gonna do are you guys gonna do basically so if
you had to build a system right now would you build it off one 2011 three
mainly I mean part of that is because I do a lot of video stuff but part of that
is is the article I believe you wrote about a horse about about core
performance in dx12 and and right around that six core spot seems like the sweet
spot now right not not for today's use but but if we're talking you know this
is gonna be another five years until I upgrade this processor
I would I would probably go with a six core right so like at 5820k which is the
classic 5820k is about the same price as a 6700 K yeah exactly and I uh I'm
actually I mean I'm waiting for for Intel to bring out broad well II stuff
so that we can see worst-kept see what that what that next what I guess the 68
20 or whatever it'll end up being yeah go ahead Brad if I had to upgrade today
I'd do the same thing as Hayden I'd go for that six core you know that six core
part probably or you know the skylake I'm not a hardcore video editor so I
don't need full-blown you know broad well II but realistically if I had to
buy CPU today that's what I would buy but you know theoretically like person
like me like hey man I want to upgrade but I don't have to do it right now it's
like my computer's not on fire what I'm doing is I'm waiting to see one broad
well II if indeed has 10 cores if it's indeed 1500 bucks as the rumors say all
that stuff right and b2c you know give it a couple of months and see how Andy
Zen does cuz you know that's their Hail Mary it could be
could be horrible who knows right and I'm hoping that I don't know that that
1500 rumor to me I'm hoping that they actually do the the typical Nvidia thing
and we end up seeing that 10 core hit where the 8 core did last time or right
around there at that that thousand dollar price point and then see the 8
core drop down to around that 650 700 dollar price point because right now
like the gap is huge you can buy this there 6 core chip right 50 look 330 350
bucks yep and then that 8 core is $1,000 and
and the gap there is ridiculous yeah and the nice thing of course is they
actually sort of gave you when they did the haswell-e refresh they give you two
more cores yeah for free at that at the lower cost you could suddenly get a a 6
core processor for 3 333 yeah I mean that it became like an actual it it has
become an actual conundrum whether to go with that that six core chip or the top
end for core chip because they're literally the same price like they're
they're within $20 of each other at this point
hey I don't know if they're gonna I would hope they would do the same thing
that you're saying started a thousand and work it down but I mean they're
selling eight core chips for yeah and it's not like they're getting much
competition at that thousand dollar price point why not add two more chords
and see if they can squeeze from a you know purely cold-hearted business
perspective yeah fifteen thirty stiff though man I mean I could yeah yeah I
mean I'm saying they gotta make money but like you might feel feel like okay
maybe 1,200 maybe I mean that's it like I would jump for I mean I would jump for
an eight core at 700 yeah in a way that I would not jump for an eight core at a
thousand like I 700 I'm like yeah I can justify paying as much as my graphics
card but a thousand dollar mark is where I'm like yeah this would be the most
expensive thing in my system and and the performance increased from six core to
eight core is not enough to justify $700 except in video video yeah well yeah and
very heavy intensive video yeah yeah we're rendering which which I mean
that's what Gordon's been helping me spec out is a new
production box and it's like you know I was at NAB recently and they were like
yeah the more courses the better so I'm trying to spec out and you know wait for
the Broadway or whatever and see where that lands open ten core for a thousand
bucks so you're saying thing for you 58 20
over sky like probably it's interest uh that's probably what I would do because
you know I do this for a living I mean it's in my interest to future-proof if I
was like advising a friend to build a PC today I'd still probably because dx12
needs more cores but we haven't seen you know that proof and that pudding yet
yeah yeah well games that have come out have been kind of disappointing so I
would still at this point kind of recommend you know still probably you
know the K edition of the skylake core i5 or if you want a future proof a
little bit maybe get nudge that up a little bit to the core i7s you get hyper
threading yeah what's the is sixty six hundred K is that that top end that's
out right now I think it's the so it's there 250 it's supposed to be 250 IO but
it's the i-5 no hyper threading right same thing is that they've always had
that skewed but basically the that skylake version of the Ivy Bridge that
you guys are rolling and a lot of people still rolling those 2500 caves right
good chip no operating yeah and then that's 35 70 K has served me very well
and and if I was really trying to trying to stick to a budget I would probably
run that for another two or three years yeah yeah but really from just like an
enthusiast perspective I'm looking to upgrade it's not it's not like that 35
70 K is really running in that many problems though the more the more open
world games we see more than that thing starts to struggle right well and what
are you saying you're getting pop-ups for VR stuff saying yeah yeah this is
below min spec yeah it's below the the oculus min spec because oculus doesn't
actually check your performance it checks a parts list and so they're there
minimum is like whatever that is 40 40 545 90 45 90 I think is there min spec
but you haven't had any problems no it's absolutely the same because I mean the
performance on those two chips is pretty much identical
they just don't check the they don't check your performance like Steam you
know the the vibe checks your performance so the vibe is just like
your 10 out 10 system like you're on a 980 I this thing will blow away any VR
stuff you throw at it it's only a they check that parts list and and so
you get a banner on every single screen no that's that says hey you're below
minimum spec yeah which is not true I mean I I think honestly 2500 k35 70k
probably is gonna be fine for everything yeah for probably two more years I think
you could get away with that 35 70 K with no problem except for stuff like
The Witcher or like I've seen problems in Assassin's Creed you see some
stuttering those are like the games where I I've started to notice the 35
70k having trouble keeping up yeah like you're talking about the steamvr test I
tested the exact same card in both you know my personal rig as well as the PC
you test rig which has the 8 core haswell-e yeah haswell-e uh part and on
my personal rig with the 35 70k I got 10.8 I believe as the score and on the 8
core rig I got a ten point nine or eleven oh boy my difference that really
paid for itself this is the four cores right