FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE IT. SO WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO
APPRECIATE IT. SO WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GET PUTIN TO THE NEGOTIATING
SO WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GET PUTIN TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE?
GET PUTIN TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE? MAYBE SOME WOULD ARGUE HOLDING
TABLE? MAYBE SOME WOULD ARGUE HOLDING HIM. ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR
MAYBE SOME WOULD ARGUE HOLDING HIM. ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES ISN‘T THE BEST WAY TO
HIM. ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES ISN‘T THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT. WHAT YOU DO NEED TO
CRIMES ISN‘T THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT. WHAT YOU DO NEED TO DO, THEY WOULD SAY IS GIVE
DO THAT. WHAT YOU DO NEED TO DO, THEY WOULD SAY IS GIVE PUTIN AND OFF-RAMP, BUILD
DO, THEY WOULD SAY IS GIVE PUTIN AND OFF-RAMP, BUILD HIM A GOLDEN BRIDGE FROM WHICH
PUTIN AND OFF-RAMP, BUILD HIM A GOLDEN BRIDGE FROM WHICH TO RETREAT TO QUOTE SUN TZU
HIM A GOLDEN BRIDGE FROM WHICH TO RETREAT TO QUOTE SUN TZU THERE ARE SIGNS THAT RUSSIA
TO RETREAT TO QUOTE SUN TZU THERE ARE SIGNS THAT RUSSIA MAY BE WILLING TO RETREAT IF
THERE ARE SIGNS THAT RUSSIA MAY BE WILLING TO RETREAT IF IT ISN‘T RETREATING ALREADY A
MAY BE WILLING TO RETREAT IF IT ISN‘T RETREATING ALREADY A MEMBER OF PUTIN‘S INNER CIRCLE
IT ISN‘T RETREATING ALREADY A MEMBER OF PUTIN‘S INNER CIRCLE HIS SECURITY COUNCIL CHIEF
MEMBER OF PUTIN‘S INNER CIRCLE HIS SECURITY COUNCIL CHIEF NIKOLAI,
HIS SECURITY COUNCIL CHIEF NIKOLAI, PATRUSHEV TOLD A RUSSIAN NEWS
NIKOLAI, PATRUSHEV TOLD A RUSSIAN NEWS AGENCY THAT A CHANGE OF
PATRUSHEV TOLD A RUSSIAN NEWS AGENCY THAT A CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT. IN UKRAINE IS NOT
AGENCY THAT A CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT. IN UKRAINE IS NOT RUSSIA HAS GOAL.
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR ZALENSKI. SO WHAT CAN YOU
UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VLADIMIR ZALENSKI. SO WHAT CAN YOU OFFER? PUTIN TO END THE WAR.
ZALENSKI. SO WHAT CAN YOU OFFER? PUTIN TO END THE WAR. THAT UKRAINIANS MIGHT POSSIBLY
OFFER? PUTIN TO END THE WAR. THAT UKRAINIANS MIGHT POSSIBLY ACCEPT THE PRESIDENT OF
THAT UKRAINIANS MIGHT POSSIBLY ACCEPT THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE
ACCEPT THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE HAS SUGGESTED NEUTRALITY AS
UKRAINE HAS SUGGESTED NEUTRALITY AS ONE POSSIBLE WAY FORWARD?
HAS SUGGESTED NEUTRALITY AS ONE POSSIBLE WAY FORWARD? ONE, THAT MAY BE THE BEST WAY
ONE POSSIBLE WAY FORWARD? ONE, THAT MAY BE THE BEST WAY TO SAVE UKRAINIAN LIVES,
ONE, THAT MAY BE THE BEST WAY TO SAVE UKRAINIAN LIVES, BUT WOULD UKRAINE AS A
TO SAVE UKRAINIAN LIVES, BUT WOULD UKRAINE AS A WHOLE WITH UKRAINIAN PEOPLE
BUT WOULD UKRAINE AS A WHOLE WITH UKRAINIAN PEOPLE ACCEPT THAT IN A REFERENDUM.
WHOLE WITH UKRAINIAN PEOPLE ACCEPT THAT IN A REFERENDUM. IF IT ALSO MEANT SPLITTING THE
ACCEPT THAT IN A REFERENDUM. IF IT ALSO MEANT SPLITTING THE COUNTRY
IF IT ALSO MEANT SPLITTING THE COUNTRY BETWEEN
COUNTRY BETWEEN OCCUPIED AND UNOCCUPIED
BETWEEN OCCUPIED AND UNOCCUPIED REGIONS
OCCUPIED AND UNOCCUPIED REGIONS THAT HAD MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
REGIONS THAT HAD MILITARY INTELLIGENCE CLAIMS THAT PUTIN MAY SEEK
THAT HAD MILITARY INTELLIGENCE CLAIMS THAT PUTIN MAY SEEK THAT OUTCOME
CLAIMS THAT PUTIN MAY SEEK THAT OUTCOME COMPARING IT TO THE DIVIDING
THAT OUTCOME COMPARING IT TO THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN
COMPARING IT TO THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA, WHICH
LINE BETWEEN NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA, WHICH WAS THE RESULT OF COURSE OF
NORTH AND SOUTH KOREA, WHICH WAS THE RESULT OF COURSE OF THE CEASEFIRE THAT
WAS THE RESULT OF COURSE OF THE CEASEFIRE THAT HALTED THE FIGHTING 70 YEARS
THE CEASEFIRE THAT HALTED THE FIGHTING 70 YEARS AGO DURING THE KOREAN WAR.
HALTED THE FIGHTING 70 YEARS AGO DURING THE KOREAN WAR. BUT NEVER ENDED THAT WAR
AGO DURING THE KOREAN WAR. BUT NEVER ENDED THAT WAR THIS WEEK TURKEY COULD BE
BUT NEVER ENDED THAT WAR THIS WEEK TURKEY COULD BE HOSTING
THIS WEEK TURKEY COULD BE HOSTING FACE-TO-FACE TALKS BETWEEN
HOSTING FACE-TO-FACE TALKS BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE
FACE-TO-FACE TALKS BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE AS EARLY AS TUESDAY,
RUSSIA AND UKRAINE AS EARLY AS TUESDAY, BUT ANY DEAL BETWEEN THE TWO
AS EARLY AS TUESDAY, BUT ANY DEAL BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES WOULD HAVE TO GET U.S.
BUT ANY DEAL BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES WOULD HAVE TO GET U.S. SIGN-OFF PRESIDENT. JOE BIDEN
SIDES WOULD HAVE TO GET U.S. SIGN-OFF PRESIDENT. JOE BIDEN IS BACK IN WASHINGTON, AFTER A
SIGN-OFF PRESIDENT. JOE BIDEN IS BACK IN WASHINGTON, AFTER A TRIP TO
IS BACK IN WASHINGTON, AFTER A TRIP TO TO EUROPE THAT HAS
TRIP TO TO EUROPE THAT HAS FOCUSED A LOT OF ATTENTION.
TO EUROPE THAT HAS FOCUSED A LOT OF ATTENTION. WHAT THE
FOCUSED A LOT OF ATTENTION. WHAT THE ENDGAME SHOULD BE FOR MORE ON
WHAT THE ENDGAME SHOULD BE FOR MORE ON THAT. LET‘S TURN NOW TO
ENDGAME SHOULD BE FOR MORE ON THAT. LET‘S TURN NOW TO STEPHEN MULL. FORMER US
THAT. LET‘S TURN NOW TO STEPHEN MULL. FORMER US AMBASSADOR TO POLAND DURING
STEPHEN MULL. FORMER US AMBASSADOR TO POLAND DURING THE SECOND TERM OF THE OBAMA
AMBASSADOR TO POLAND DURING THE SECOND TERM OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. NOW, THE VICE
THE SECOND TERM OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. NOW, THE VICE PROVOST FOR GLOBAL AFFAIRS. AT
ADMINISTRATION. NOW, THE VICE PROVOST FOR GLOBAL AFFAIRS. AT THE
PROVOST FOR GLOBAL AFFAIRS. AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA
THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA AMBASSADOR. THANKS SO MUCH FOR
UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA AMBASSADOR. THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME ON THE SHOW
AMBASSADOR. THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING ME ON THE SHOW TONIGHT.
JOINING ME ON THE SHOW TONIGHT. IF THESE NEGOTIATIONS
TONIGHT. IF THESE NEGOTIATIONS PROCEED THIS WEEK IS
IF THESE NEGOTIATIONS PROCEED THIS WEEK IS PRESIDENT, JOE BIDEN,
PROCEED THIS WEEK IS PRESIDENT, JOE BIDEN, HELPING THEM OR HURTING THEM
PRESIDENT, JOE BIDEN, HELPING THEM OR HURTING THEM WHEN HE SAYS STUFF LIKE THIS.
HELPING THEM OR HURTING THEM WHEN HE SAYS STUFF LIKE THIS. HAVE A
WHEN HE SAYS STUFF LIKE THIS. HAVE A LISTEN.
HAVE A LISTEN. FOR GOD‘S SAKE. THIS MAN
LISTEN. FOR GOD‘S SAKE. THIS MAN CANNOT REMAIN
FOR GOD‘S SAKE. THIS MAN CANNOT REMAIN POWER.
CANNOT REMAIN POWER. DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAID
POWER. DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAID THAT PUTIN CAN‘T
DO YOU BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAID THAT PUTIN CAN‘T REMAIN IN POWER
THAT PUTIN CAN‘T REMAIN IN POWER OR DO YOU NOW REGRET SAYING
REMAIN IN POWER OR DO YOU NOW REGRET SAYING THAT
OR DO YOU NOW REGRET SAYING THAT BECAUSE YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS
THAT BECAUSE YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN TRYING TO WALK THAT BACK?
BECAUSE YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN TRYING TO WALK THAT BACK? DID YOUR WORDS COMPLICATE
BEEN TRYING TO WALK THAT BACK? DID YOUR WORDS COMPLICATE MATTERS? NUMBER ONE? I‘M NOT
DID YOUR WORDS COMPLICATE MATTERS? NUMBER ONE? I‘M NOT WALKING ANY BACK
MATTERS? NUMBER ONE? I‘M NOT WALKING ANY BACK THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I
WALKING ANY BACK THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I WAS EXPRESSING THE MORE
THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I WAS EXPRESSING THE MORE OUTRAGE. I FELT TOWARD THE WAY
WAS EXPRESSING THE MORE OUTRAGE. I FELT TOWARD THE WAY PUTIN IS
OUTRAGE. I FELT TOWARD THE WAY PUTIN IS DEALING IN THE ACTIONS OF THIS
PUTIN IS DEALING IN THE ACTIONS OF THIS MAN,
DEALING IN THE ACTIONS OF THIS MAN, WHICH IS
MAN, WHICH IS JUST
WHICH IS JUST BRUTALITY
JUST BRUTALITY AND HALF THE CHILDREN IN
BRUTALITY AND HALF THE CHILDREN IN UKRAINE. I JUST COME FROM
AND HALF THE CHILDREN IN UKRAINE. I JUST COME FROM BEING WITH THOSE FAMILIES.
UKRAINE. I JUST COME FROM BEING WITH THOSE FAMILIES. AND AND SO I BUT
BEING WITH THOSE FAMILIES. AND AND SO I BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I
AND AND SO I BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I WASN‘T THEN NOR AM I NOW
I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I WASN‘T THEN NOR AM I NOW ARTICULATING THE POLICY
WASN‘T THEN NOR AM I NOW ARTICULATING THE POLICY CHANGE?
ARTICULATING THE POLICY CHANGE? CHANGE
CHANGE? CHANGE BUSTER, WHATEVER MORAL
CHANGE BUSTER, WHATEVER MORAL OUTRAGE. HE MAY FEEL. WE MAY
BUSTER, WHATEVER MORAL OUTRAGE. HE MAY FEEL. WE MAY ALL FEEL NOT EXACTLY THE
OUTRAGE. HE MAY FEEL. WE MAY ALL FEEL NOT EXACTLY THE BEST RHETORIC TO GET VLADIMIR
ALL FEEL NOT EXACTLY THE BEST RHETORIC TO GET VLADIMIR PUTIN. TO THE TABLE, IS
BEST RHETORIC TO GET VLADIMIR PUTIN. TO THE TABLE, IS IT
PUTIN. TO THE TABLE, IS IT WELL, GOOD EVENING BETTY. IT‘S
IT WELL, GOOD EVENING BETTY. IT‘S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. I
WELL, GOOD EVENING BETTY. IT‘S GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. I THINK THERE‘S A RISK OF
GOOD TO BE WITH YOU. I THINK THERE‘S A RISK OF OVERSTATING. THE RISK OF THIS
THINK THERE‘S A RISK OF OVERSTATING. THE RISK OF THIS COMET AFTER ALL WITHIN
OVERSTATING. THE RISK OF THIS COMET AFTER ALL WITHIN MINUTES.
COMET AFTER ALL WITHIN MINUTES. MINUTES. AFTER THE PRESIDENT
MINUTES. MINUTES. AFTER THE PRESIDENT INITIALLY SAID, THOSE WORDS ON
MINUTES. AFTER THE PRESIDENT INITIALLY SAID, THOSE WORDS ON SATURDAY NIGHT IN WARSAW IS
INITIALLY SAID, THOSE WORDS ON SATURDAY NIGHT IN WARSAW IS HIS ADVISORS WERE ALREADY
SATURDAY NIGHT IN WARSAW IS HIS ADVISORS WERE ALREADY STRESSING
HIS ADVISORS WERE ALREADY STRESSING THAT THE GOAL
STRESSING THAT THE GOAL OF THE UNITED STATES AND
THAT THE GOAL OF THE UNITED STATES AND HELPING UKRAINE IS NOT TO
OF THE UNITED STATES AND HELPING UKRAINE IS NOT TO REMOVE
HELPING UKRAINE IS NOT TO REMOVE QUITE A PUTIN FROM POWER
REMOVE QUITE A PUTIN FROM POWER BUT MORE TO THE POINT
QUITE A PUTIN FROM POWER BUT MORE TO THE POINT A LOTTERY OF PUTIN HAS
BUT MORE TO THE POINT A LOTTERY OF PUTIN HAS BELIEVED FOR AT LEAST THE LAST
A LOTTERY OF PUTIN HAS BELIEVED FOR AT LEAST THE LAST TEN YEARS. IF NOT MORE
BELIEVED FOR AT LEAST THE LAST TEN YEARS. IF NOT MORE THAT THE UNITED STATES IS
TEN YEARS. IF NOT MORE THAT THE UNITED STATES IS TRYING TO REMOVE HIM FROM
THAT THE UNITED STATES IS TRYING TO REMOVE HIM FROM POWER. IT‘S SOMETHING THAT HE
TRYING TO REMOVE HIM FROM POWER. IT‘S SOMETHING THAT HE SAYS THAT MOTIVATES ALL
POWER. IT‘S SOMETHING THAT HE SAYS THAT MOTIVATES ALL OF HIS
SAYS THAT MOTIVATES ALL OF HIS REACTION TO THE UNITED STATES.
OF HIS REACTION TO THE UNITED STATES. SO, THERE‘S REALLY
REACTION TO THE UNITED STATES. SO, THERE‘S REALLY NOTHING NEW HERE.
SO, THERE‘S REALLY NOTHING NEW HERE. IT‘S NOT TRUE. THE UNITED
NOTHING NEW HERE. IT‘S NOT TRUE. THE UNITED STATES ISN‘T TRYING TO REMOVE
IT‘S NOT TRUE. THE UNITED STATES ISN‘T TRYING TO REMOVE THEM. PUTIN THINKS HE IS
STATES ISN‘T TRYING TO REMOVE THEM. PUTIN THINKS HE IS OR AT LEAST USES THAT TO
THEM. PUTIN THINKS HE IS OR AT LEAST USES THAT TO JUSTIFY WHATEVER
OR AT LEAST USES THAT TO JUSTIFY WHATEVER POLICY HE DECIDES TO
JUSTIFY WHATEVER POLICY HE DECIDES TO UNDERTAKE. I DON‘T REALLY
POLICY HE DECIDES TO UNDERTAKE. I DON‘T REALLY THINK
UNDERTAKE. I DON‘T REALLY THINK THIS IS GOING TO HAVE MUCH OF
THINK THIS IS GOING TO HAVE MUCH OF AN IMPACT ON THESE
THIS IS GOING TO HAVE MUCH OF AN IMPACT ON THESE NEGOTIATIONS
AN IMPACT ON THESE NEGOTIATIONS AT ALL.
NEGOTIATIONS AT ALL. RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVES, MAY
AT ALL. RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVES, MAY TRY TO SCORE POINTS ON IT,
RUSSIAN REPRESENTATIVES, MAY TRY TO SCORE POINTS ON IT, BUT I DON‘T THINK THE
TRY TO SCORE POINTS ON IT, BUT I DON‘T THINK THE UKRAINIANS
BUT I DON‘T THINK THE UKRAINIANS WHO ARE THE PARTNERS IN THIS
UKRAINIANS WHO ARE THE PARTNERS IN THIS NEGOTIATION
WHO ARE THE PARTNERS IN THIS NEGOTIATION ARE GOING TO. IT‘S NOT GOING
NEGOTIATION ARE GOING TO. IT‘S NOT GOING TO MEAN MUCH TO THEM
ARE GOING TO. IT‘S NOT GOING TO MEAN MUCH TO THEM AT ALL.
TO MEAN MUCH TO THEM AT ALL. I BELIEVE YOU AMBASSADOR IN
AT ALL. I BELIEVE YOU AMBASSADOR IN POLAND THE LAST TIME, RUSSIA
I BELIEVE YOU AMBASSADOR IN POLAND THE LAST TIME, RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE AND STARTED
POLAND THE LAST TIME, RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE AND STARTED CHIPPING AWAY AT ITS BORDERS
INVADED UKRAINE AND STARTED CHIPPING AWAY AT ITS BORDERS AND SOVEREIGNTY.
CHIPPING AWAY AT ITS BORDERS AND SOVEREIGNTY. DO YOU BELIEVE
AND SOVEREIGNTY. DO YOU BELIEVE RUSSIAN SPY CHIEF NIKOLAI
DO YOU BELIEVE RUSSIAN SPY CHIEF NIKOLAI PATRUSHEV?
RUSSIAN SPY CHIEF NIKOLAI PATRUSHEV? WHO IS NOW SAYING THE
PATRUSHEV? WHO IS NOW SAYING THE EASTERN UKRAINE WAS ALWAYS
WHO IS NOW SAYING THE EASTERN UKRAINE WAS ALWAYS RUSSIA‘S GOAL IN THIS
EASTERN UKRAINE WAS ALWAYS RUSSIA‘S GOAL IN THIS INVASION.
RUSSIA‘S GOAL IN THIS INVASION. PERSONALLY. I THINK THAT
INVASION. PERSONALLY. I THINK THAT BEGGARS BELIEF GIVEN HOW FAR
PERSONALLY. I THINK THAT BEGGARS BELIEF GIVEN HOW FAR RUSSIAN TROOPS
BEGGARS BELIEF GIVEN HOW FAR RUSSIAN TROOPS INVADED FROM THE NORTH AND
RUSSIAN TROOPS INVADED FROM THE NORTH AND ADVANCE SO AGGRESSIVELY ON TO
INVADED FROM THE NORTH AND ADVANCE SO AGGRESSIVELY ON TO KYIV, BUT MAYBE WE
ADVANCE SO AGGRESSIVELY ON TO KYIV, BUT MAYBE WE HAVE TO LET THE KREMLIN HAVE
KYIV, BUT MAYBE WE HAVE TO LET THE KREMLIN HAVE THIS FANTASY AS AN
HAVE TO LET THE KREMLIN HAVE THIS FANTASY AS AN OFF-RAMP.
THIS FANTASY AS AN OFF-RAMP. WELL, INDEED, IT IS A
OFF-RAMP. WELL, INDEED, IT IS A CONVENIENT FALLBACK POSITION
WELL, INDEED, IT IS A CONVENIENT FALLBACK POSITION FOR THE THE KREMLIN
CONVENIENT FALLBACK POSITION FOR THE THE KREMLIN TO SAY THAT
FOR THE THE KREMLIN TO SAY THAT THEY‘RE WILLING TO
TO SAY THAT THEY‘RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT. WHAT‘S GOING TO
THEY‘RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT. WHAT‘S GOING TO BE MORE IMPORTANT. I THINK
ACCEPT THAT. WHAT‘S GOING TO BE MORE IMPORTANT. I THINK OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE A VERY
BE MORE IMPORTANT. I THINK OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE A VERY DIFFICULT CHOICE FOR
OBVIOUSLY THIS WOULD BE A VERY DIFFICULT CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT SOLINSKY TO ME SO
DIFFICULT CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT SOLINSKY TO ME SO FAR. HE‘S
PRESIDENT SOLINSKY TO ME SO FAR. HE‘S BOWING THAT HE WILL NOT
FAR. HE‘S BOWING THAT HE WILL NOT COMPROMISE
BOWING THAT HE WILL NOT COMPROMISE UKRAINE‘S, TERRITORIAL
COMPROMISE UKRAINE‘S, TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY.
UKRAINE‘S, TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY. THERE ARE SOME CREDIBLE
INTEGRITY. THERE ARE SOME CREDIBLE REPORTS COMING OUT
THERE ARE SOME CREDIBLE REPORTS COMING OUT FROM THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE
REPORTS COMING OUT FROM THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE IN
FROM THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE IN ISTANBUL TOMORROW
SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE IN ISTANBUL TOMORROW THAT THE
ISTANBUL TOMORROW THAT THE SIDES WILL
THAT THE SIDES WILL WILL KICK DOWN.
SIDES WILL WILL KICK DOWN. THE ROAD, THE QUESTION OF
WILL KICK DOWN. THE ROAD, THE QUESTION OF WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE
THE ROAD, THE QUESTION OF WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE TWO, BREAKAWAY
WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE TWO, BREAKAWAY PROVINCES AND THE CRIMEA THAT
TWO, BREAKAWAY PROVINCES AND THE CRIMEA THAT THAT
PROVINCES AND THE CRIMEA THAT THAT DISAGREEMENT ON. THAT WON‘T
THAT DISAGREEMENT ON. THAT WON‘T GET IN THE WAY OF A
DISAGREEMENT ON. THAT WON‘T GET IN THE WAY OF A CEASEFIRE BETWEEN RUSSIA AND
GET IN THE WAY OF A CEASEFIRE BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE.
CEASEFIRE BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. WHILE THEY ADDRESS OTHER OTHER
UKRAINE. WHILE THEY ADDRESS OTHER OTHER ISSUES.
WHILE THEY ADDRESS OTHER OTHER ISSUES. SO BUT YOU‘RE RIGHT.
ISSUES. SO BUT YOU‘RE RIGHT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE
SO BUT YOU‘RE RIGHT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FALLBACK POSITION THAT COULD
I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FALLBACK POSITION THAT COULD GIVE
A FALLBACK POSITION THAT COULD GIVE PUTIN A FACE-SAVING WAY OUT
GIVE PUTIN A FACE-SAVING WAY OUT OF THIS MESS, BUT IT‘S
PUTIN A FACE-SAVING WAY OUT OF THIS MESS, BUT IT‘S UNCLEAR.
OF THIS MESS, BUT IT‘S UNCLEAR. I‘M DUKE. RADIANCE WILL AGREE
UNCLEAR. I‘M DUKE. RADIANCE WILL AGREE TO IT,
I‘M DUKE. RADIANCE WILL AGREE TO IT, OF COURSE, FROM A SECURITY
TO IT, OF COURSE, FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT. THAT‘S TALK ABOUT,
OF COURSE, FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT. THAT‘S TALK ABOUT, NOT UKRAINE, BUT POLAND WHERE
STANDPOINT. THAT‘S TALK ABOUT, NOT UKRAINE, BUT POLAND WHERE YOU SERVE, WHAT DO YOU THINK,
NOT UKRAINE, BUT POLAND WHERE YOU SERVE, WHAT DO YOU THINK, POLAND A NATO MEMBER WANTS
YOU SERVE, WHAT DO YOU THINK, POLAND A NATO MEMBER WANTS TO SEE IN ANY POTENTIAL PEACE
POLAND A NATO MEMBER WANTS TO SEE IN ANY POTENTIAL PEACE DEAL REACHED BY UKRAINE AND
TO SEE IN ANY POTENTIAL PEACE DEAL REACHED BY UKRAINE AND RUSSIA
DEAL REACHED BY UKRAINE AND RUSSIA DOES BUT DOES POLAND HAVE A
RUSSIA DOES BUT DOES POLAND HAVE A PARTICULAR ANGLE HERE? GIVEN
DOES BUT DOES POLAND HAVE A PARTICULAR ANGLE HERE? GIVEN THEIR WORRIED.
PARTICULAR ANGLE HERE? GIVEN THEIR WORRIED. ABOUT BEING NEXT.
THEIR WORRIED. ABOUT BEING NEXT. WELL, I THINK
ABOUT BEING NEXT. WELL, I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW
WELL, I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THE SITUATION CLOSELY
THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW THE SITUATION CLOSELY IN POLAND, ALREADY
THE SITUATION CLOSELY IN POLAND, ALREADY REALIZED THAT
IN POLAND, ALREADY REALIZED THAT UKRAINIAN
REALIZED THAT UKRAINIAN NATO MEMBERSHIP IS NOT GOING
UKRAINIAN NATO MEMBERSHIP IS NOT GOING TO BE ON THE HORIZON
NATO MEMBERSHIP IS NOT GOING TO BE ON THE HORIZON ANYTIME SOON.
TO BE ON THE HORIZON ANYTIME SOON. I THINK THEY WOULD BE
ANYTIME SOON. I THINK THEY WOULD BE OUR POLISH FRIENDS WOULD BE
I THINK THEY WOULD BE OUR POLISH FRIENDS WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT. WHAT?
OUR POLISH FRIENDS WOULD BE WILLING TO ACCEPT. WHAT? WHAT
WILLING TO ACCEPT. WHAT? WHAT PRESIDENT SOLINSKY‘S ALREADY
WHAT PRESIDENT SOLINSKY‘S ALREADY LOADED, THIS CONCEPT OF A
PRESIDENT SOLINSKY‘S ALREADY LOADED, THIS CONCEPT OF A NEUTRALITY
LOADED, THIS CONCEPT OF A NEUTRALITY POURED, UKRAINE PROVIDED THAT
NEUTRALITY POURED, UKRAINE PROVIDED THAT PART OF THE DEAL IS
POURED, UKRAINE PROVIDED THAT PART OF THE DEAL IS GUARANTEEING
PART OF THE DEAL IS GUARANTEEING UKRAINIAN SECURITY. I
GUARANTEEING UKRAINIAN SECURITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DOCUMENT
UKRAINIAN SECURITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DOCUMENT DOCUMENT ON UNDER
UNDERSTAND THAT THE DOCUMENT DOCUMENT ON UNDER SHOULDN‘T BETWEEN THE RUSSIANS
DOCUMENT ON UNDER SHOULDN‘T BETWEEN THE RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS FOR THE
SHOULDN‘T BETWEEN THE RUSSIANS AND UKRAINIANS FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS COMING UP,
AND UKRAINIANS FOR THE NEGOTIATIONS COMING UP, DO DOES HAVE AN IDEA
NEGOTIATIONS COMING UP, DO DOES HAVE AN IDEA OF
DO DOES HAVE AN IDEA OF UKRAINIAN SECURITY BEING
OF UKRAINIAN SECURITY BEING GUARANTEED BY RUSSIA,
UKRAINIAN SECURITY BEING GUARANTEED BY RUSSIA, THE UNITED STATES, OTHER KEY,
GUARANTEED BY RUSSIA, THE UNITED STATES, OTHER KEY, NATO ALLIES LIKE GERMANY,
THE UNITED STATES, OTHER KEY, NATO ALLIES LIKE GERMANY, FRANCE, BRITAIN, POLAND,
NATO ALLIES LIKE GERMANY, FRANCE, BRITAIN, POLAND, CANADA, AND EVEN MAYBE MAYBE
FRANCE, BRITAIN, POLAND, CANADA, AND EVEN MAYBE MAYBE CHINA. SO IF
CANADA, AND EVEN MAYBE MAYBE CHINA. SO IF THAT
CHINA. SO IF THAT IF YOU CREATE SECURITY,
THAT IF YOU CREATE SECURITY, WE‘RE GUARANTEE THAT THERE‘S
IF YOU CREATE SECURITY, WE‘RE GUARANTEE THAT THERE‘S NO DANGER OF RUSSIA
WE‘RE GUARANTEE THAT THERE‘S NO DANGER OF RUSSIA INVADING AGAIN
NO DANGER OF RUSSIA INVADING AGAIN POSING A DIRECT THREAT ON
INVADING AGAIN POSING A DIRECT THREAT ON POLISH BORDER. I THINK POLAND
POSING A DIRECT THREAT ON POLISH BORDER. I THINK POLAND COULD COULD LIVE WITH THAT.
POLISH BORDER. I THINK POLAND COULD COULD LIVE WITH THAT. MASTER POLAND HAS BEEN IS
COULD COULD LIVE WITH THAT. MASTER POLAND HAS BEEN IS BEING AN EXTRAORDINARY
MASTER POLAND HAS BEEN IS BEING AN EXTRAORDINARY NEIGHBOR TO UKRAINE. IT SAYS
BEING AN EXTRAORDINARY NEIGHBOR TO UKRAINE. IT SAYS WELCOMED. WELL, OVER 2 MILLION
NEIGHBOR TO UKRAINE. IT SAYS WELCOMED. WELL, OVER 2 MILLION REFUGEES
WELCOMED. WELL, OVER 2 MILLION REFUGEES INTO THE COUNTRY SO FAR MORE
REFUGEES INTO THE COUNTRY SO FAR MORE THAN EVERY OTHER COUNTRY
INTO THE COUNTRY SO FAR MORE THAN EVERY OTHER COUNTRY COMBINED.
THAN EVERY OTHER COUNTRY COMBINED. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT KIND
COMBINED. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT KIND OF UNDENIABLE GENEROSITY
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT KIND OF UNDENIABLE GENEROSITY GIVEN HOW
OF UNDENIABLE GENEROSITY GIVEN HOW ANTI-MIGRANT POLAND HAS BEEN
GIVEN HOW ANTI-MIGRANT POLAND HAS BEEN WHEN THOSE MIGRANTS HAPPENED
ANTI-MIGRANT POLAND HAS BEEN WHEN THOSE MIGRANTS HAPPENED TO BE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST?
WHEN THOSE MIGRANTS HAPPENED TO BE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST? WELL, I THINK THERE‘S A BIG
TO BE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST? WELL, I THINK THERE‘S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE SITUATIONS.
WELL, I THINK THERE‘S A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE SITUATIONS. AS
DIFFERENCE IN THE SITUATIONS. AS YOU‘RE REFERENCING LAST YEAR
AS YOU‘RE REFERENCING LAST YEAR WHEN BELARUS PROBABLY
YOU‘RE REFERENCING LAST YEAR WHEN BELARUS PROBABLY WITH
WHEN BELARUS PROBABLY WITH RUSSIAN BACKING.
WITH RUSSIAN BACKING. TRANSIT OF REFUGEES FROM
RUSSIAN BACKING. TRANSIT OF REFUGEES FROM THE MIDDLE EAST AND SOUTH ASIA
TRANSIT OF REFUGEES FROM THE MIDDLE EAST AND SOUTH ASIA INTO THE EUROPEAN UNION.
THE MIDDLE EAST AND SOUTH ASIA INTO THE EUROPEAN UNION. PROBABLY AS A TACTIC TO.
INTO THE EUROPEAN UNION. PROBABLY AS A TACTIC TO. SO DIVISION, BETWEEN POLAND
PROBABLY AS A TACTIC TO. SO DIVISION, BETWEEN POLAND AND THE REST OF EUROPE.
SO DIVISION, BETWEEN POLAND AND THE REST OF EUROPE. AND TO CAUSE POLITICAL
AND THE REST OF EUROPE. AND TO CAUSE POLITICAL INSTABILITY IN EUROPE,
AND TO CAUSE POLITICAL INSTABILITY IN EUROPE, UKRAINE EVEN BEFORE THIS
INSTABILITY IN EUROPE, UKRAINE EVEN BEFORE THIS WAR STARTED,
UKRAINE EVEN BEFORE THIS WAR STARTED, THERE WERE BETWEEN
WAR STARTED, THERE WERE BETWEEN ONE AND TWO MILLION
THERE WERE BETWEEN ONE AND TWO MILLION UKRAINIANS LIVING IN
ONE AND TWO MILLION UKRAINIANS LIVING IN IN POLAND, MAKING A VERY
UKRAINIANS LIVING IN IN POLAND, MAKING A VERY STRONG CONTRIBUTION
IN POLAND, MAKING A VERY STRONG CONTRIBUTION TO THE ECONOMY
STRONG CONTRIBUTION TO THE ECONOMY ON MY VISITS TO
TO THE ECONOMY ON MY VISITS TO POLAND. I‘VE
ON MY VISITS TO POLAND. I‘VE EVEN SINCE BEING AMBASSADOR,
POLAND. I‘VE EVEN SINCE BEING AMBASSADOR, I‘VE ALWAYS BEEN STRUCK HOW
EVEN SINCE BEING AMBASSADOR, I‘VE ALWAYS BEEN STRUCK HOW WARMLY WELCOMED THE UKRAINIANS
I‘VE ALWAYS BEEN STRUCK HOW WARMLY WELCOMED THE UKRAINIANS ARE THERE‘S A BIG CULTURAL
WARMLY WELCOMED THE UKRAINIANS ARE THERE‘S A BIG CULTURAL AFFINITY BETWEEN
ARE THERE‘S A BIG CULTURAL AFFINITY BETWEEN POLES AND
AFFINITY BETWEEN POLES AND THEIR NEXT DOOR, NEIGHBORS
POLES AND THEIR NEXT DOOR, NEIGHBORS MUCH AS THERE WOULD BE BETWEEN
THEIR NEXT DOOR, NEIGHBORS MUCH AS THERE WOULD BE BETWEEN AMERICANS AND CANADIANS.
MUCH AS THERE WOULD BE BETWEEN AMERICANS AND CANADIANS. YOU ALWAYS WANT TO BE MORE
AMERICANS AND CANADIANS. YOU ALWAYS WANT TO BE MORE HELPFUL TO YOUR
YOU ALWAYS WANT TO BE MORE HELPFUL TO YOUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND WHAT
HELPFUL TO YOUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND WHAT BINDS THEM TOGETHER, EVEN
IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS AND WHAT BINDS THEM TOGETHER, EVEN FURTHER,
BINDS THEM TOGETHER, EVEN FURTHER, THEIR STATE, BOTH THAT COMMON
FURTHER, THEIR STATE, BOTH THAT COMMON EXPERIENCE. I‘VE
THEIR STATE, BOTH THAT COMMON EXPERIENCE. I‘VE OCCUPATION AND DOMINATION BY
EXPERIENCE. I‘VE OCCUPATION AND DOMINATION BY RUSSIA THAT HAS A TENDENCY TO
OCCUPATION AND DOMINATION BY RUSSIA THAT HAS A TENDENCY TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND MAKE
RUSSIA THAT HAS A TENDENCY TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND MAKE IT
BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND MAKE IT OPENS IN HOMES AND HEARTS.
IT OPENS IN HOMES AND HEARTS. THOSE ARE ALL
OPENS IN HOMES AND HEARTS. THOSE ARE ALL ALL THOSE ARE ALL
THOSE ARE ALL ALL THOSE ARE ALL POINT IN YOU‘RE RIGHT ABOUT
ALL THOSE ARE ALL POINT IN YOU‘RE RIGHT ABOUT BEING NEIGHBORS AND
POINT IN YOU‘RE RIGHT ABOUT BEING NEIGHBORS AND AFFINITIES, BUT YOU DON‘T
BEING NEIGHBORS AND AFFINITIES, BUT YOU DON‘T THINK THERE‘S A
AFFINITIES, BUT YOU DON‘T THINK THERE‘S A REASON ELEMENT OF RACISM FROM
THINK THERE‘S A REASON ELEMENT OF RACISM FROM THE RIGHT-WING PEOPLE WHO RUN
REASON ELEMENT OF RACISM FROM THE RIGHT-WING PEOPLE WHO RUN THE POLISH GOVERNMENT.
THE RIGHT-WING PEOPLE WHO RUN THE POLISH GOVERNMENT. WELL,
THE POLISH GOVERNMENT. WELL, THE RACES IN EVERY COUNTRY,
WELL, THE RACES IN EVERY COUNTRY, BUT I THINK AS FAR AS
THE RACES IN EVERY COUNTRY, BUT I THINK AS FAR AS I‘VE HEARD,
BUT I THINK AS FAR AS I‘VE HEARD, THE POLISH GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN
I‘VE HEARD, THE POLISH GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT EVEN
THE POLISH GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT EVEN PEOPLE OF COLOR
ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT EVEN PEOPLE OF COLOR FLEEING. UKRAINE HAVE BEEN
PEOPLE OF COLOR FLEEING. UKRAINE HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO CROSS THE BORDER TO
FLEEING. UKRAINE HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO CROSS THE BORDER TO MOVE ON BACK TO
ALLOWED TO CROSS THE BORDER TO MOVE ON BACK TO THEIR TO THEIR HOME COUNTRY.
MOVE ON BACK TO THEIR TO THEIR HOME COUNTRY. SO I THINK THE POLISH
THEIR TO THEIR HOME COUNTRY. SO I THINK THE POLISH GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN WORKING
SO I THINK THE POLISH GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO PROVE
GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN WORKING VERY HARD TO PROVE THAT
VERY HARD TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE NOT
THAT THEY ARE NOT REACTING TO THIS CRISIS WITH
THEY ARE NOT REACTING TO THIS CRISIS WITH WITH ANY DEGREE OF RACISM
REACTING TO THIS CRISIS WITH WITH ANY DEGREE OF RACISM THAT DOESN‘T MEAN THERE ARE
WITH ANY DEGREE OF RACISM THAT DOESN‘T MEAN THERE ARE CERTAINLY, EXTREMIST GROUPS
THAT DOESN‘T MEAN THERE ARE CERTAINLY, EXTREMIST GROUPS AND POLAND SOURCES. THERE ARE
CERTAINLY, EXTREMIST GROUPS AND POLAND SOURCES. THERE ARE EVERY COUNTRY
AND POLAND SOURCES. THERE ARE EVERY COUNTRY WHO HAVE TRIED.
EVERY COUNTRY WHO HAVE TRIED. TO MAKE POLITICAL. HAY OUT OF
WHO HAVE TRIED. TO MAKE POLITICAL. HAY OUT OF THIS AND TRYING TO
TO MAKE POLITICAL. HAY OUT OF THIS AND TRYING TO MOBILIZE PEOPLE
THIS AND TRYING TO MOBILIZE PEOPLE AGAINST PEOPLE OF COLOR
MOBILIZE PEOPLE AGAINST PEOPLE OF COLOR COMING INTO THEIR COUNTRY,
AGAINST PEOPLE OF COLOR COMING INTO THEIR COUNTRY, BUT BUT BY AND LARGE
COMING INTO THEIR COUNTRY, BUT BUT BY AND LARGE EVERYONE WHO‘S WANTED TO, WE
BUT BUT BY AND LARGE EVERYONE WHO‘S WANTED TO, WE UKRAINE HAS BEEN ABLE TO CROSS
EVERYONE WHO‘S WANTED TO, WE UKRAINE HAS BEEN ABLE TO CROSS I‘M ABOUT TO STEPHEN MOBILE.
UKRAINE HAS BEEN ABLE TO CROSS I‘M ABOUT TO STEPHEN MOBILE. HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. THANK
I‘M ABOUT TO STEPHEN MOBILE. HAVE TO LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. I