GET RICHARD'S TAKE ON A STRATEGY HE SAYS MAY BE WORKING.
>> HOURS AFTER WHAT NORTH KOREA UNVEILED A LARGE NUMBER OF NEW
AND ADVANCED MISSILES, THE REGIME FIRED A TEST BALLISTIC
MISSILE LIKELY FROM A SUBMARINE THAT BARELY GOT OFF THE GROUND
BEFORE EXPLODING. AT HIS CLUB IN FLORIDA,
PRESIDENT TRUMP CELEBRATED THE EASTER HOLIDAY AND LET THE
PENTAGON DO THE TALKING. DEFENSE SECRETARY JIM MATTIS
RELEASED A TERSE TWO-SENTENCE STATEMENT.
THE PRESIDENT AND HIS MILITARY TEAM ARE AWARE OF NORTH KOREA'S
MOST RECENT UNSUCCESSFUL MISSILE LAUNCH OF THE THE PRESIDENT HAS
NO FURTHER COMMENT. >> LET'S STOP THERE REAL
QUICKLY. RICHARD HAASS, THIS SCREAMS FOR
A TWEET FROM DONALD TRUMP. YOU GET A SENSE EVERYBODY AROUND
HIM, IF YOU WANT TO TWEET AT MERYL STREEP, THAT'S FINE, BUT
AN ERRANT TWEET THAT PUSHES THIS FAT, CRAZY KID IN THE CORNER
COULD BE SERIOUS. THERE WAS A PRETTY GOOD BIT OF
RESTRAINT. >> SOME DISCIPLINE, H.R.
McMASTER. IT'S LIKE YOU SAID WHAT HE
DIDN'T TWEET. STRONG CHOREOGRAPHED.
THE PRESIDENT CONTINUING TO PLAY THE CHINA CARD HERE, WORKING
CLOSELY WITH BEIJING TO PUT PRESSURE ON THESE GUYS.
A LOT OF MYSTERY WHETHER THIS WAS A FAILED LAUNCH OR AMERICAN
CYBER CAPABILIIES HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT.
>> HOW ABOUT A THIRD OPTION? HOW ABOUT CHINA?
YOU KNOW CHINA IS THERE. CHINA ALREADY SENT A MESSAGE.
WE KNOW YOU PROMISE ADD LAUNCH HERE.
IT WOULD BE IN YOUR BEST INTEREST FOR THIS LAUNCH TO NOT
BE SUCCESSFUL. >> THAT'S CERTAINLY TRUE, NOT BE
SUCCESSFUL. IN A FUNNY WAY, EVEN MORE
WORRIED ABOUT NORTH KOREAN MISSILE ADVANCE THAN WE ARE
ABOUT NUCLEAR WARHEAD ADVANCE. WE THINK THEY HAVE GOT PRETTY
MUCH THE WEAPONS. WORRIED ABOUT LONG-RANGE
MISSILES, ACCURACY.
IT COULD BE THE MISSILE TEST FAILED.
THEY HAVE HAD FAILED MISSILE TESTS BEFORE.
WHAT IT SHOWS IS ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION CHANGED.
FOR A COUPLE DECADES THIS HAS DRIFTED.
NORTH KOREA ADVANCED. WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE
IS SAY WE'RE NOT GOING TO TOLERATE THIS.
SECRETARY OF STATE SAYS STRATEGIC PATIENCE IS OVER.
THIS HAS NOW COME TO A HEAD. WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY TELLING
CHINA, IF YOU DON'T WANT A MASSIVE CRISIS ON THE KOREAN
PENINSULA THAT COULD INVOLVE WAR AND ALL THE UNSESHT THAT
INVOLVES YOU BETTER USE THAT INFLUENCE YOU SAY YOU DON'T HAVE
THAT YOU KNOW AND WE KNOW YOU DO HAVE.
>> YOU SEEM TO THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING.
>> THE COMBINATION OF CREDIBLE MILITARY FORCE, CHINESE
ENGAGEMENT AND POSSIBLY SOME SIGNALS THE UNITED STATES MIGHT
BE PREPARED TO ACCEPT SOMETHING LESS THAN COMPLETE NORTH KOREAN
DENUCLEARIZATION. THIS COULD BE SETTING THE STAGE
FOR SOMETHING. >> SPEAKING OF THE DID HE
MILITARY HIFD ZONE VICE PRESIDENT PENCE SAID ALL OPTIONS
ON THE TABLE. IT WAS A MESSAGE REPEATED BY
SECURITY ADVISER H.R. McMASTER. >> THIS LATEST MISSILE TEST JUST
FITS INTO A PATTERN OF PROVOCATIVE AND DESTABILIZING
AND THREATENING BEHAVIOR ON THE PART OF THE NORTH KOREAN REGIME.
THERE'S AN INTERNATIONAL CONSENSUS NOW INCLUDING THE
CHINESE AND CHINESE LEADERSHIP THAT THIS IS A SITUATION THAT
JUST CAN'T CONTINUE. WHAT IS CLEAR AS LONG AS THEIR
BEHAVIOR CONTINUES, AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE, MISSILE
DEVELOPMENT, EVEN A FAILED MISSILE, THEY GET BETTER AND
LEARN LESSONS. SO WHAT'S CRITICAL IS FOR THEM
TO STOP THIS DESTABILIZING BEHAVIOR, STOP THE DEVELOPMENT
OF THESE WEAPONS AND DENUCLEARIZE.
>> YOU WORK IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT.
OBVIOUSLY BIG CHANGES HAPPENED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS
AND YOU REALLY SENSED IT OVER THE WEEKEND AS WELL.
>> I STILL AM REALLY ANKTIOUS ABOUT GETTING THESE AMBASSADORS
IN KEY REGIONS SURROUNDING NORTH KOREA.
WE NEED AN AMBASSADOR IN SOUTH KOREA.
WE NEED AN AMBASSADOR IN CHINA AND JAPAN.
WE NEED PEOPLE IN THE REGION FOR YOU TO DEAL WITH THIS CRISIS BUT
I DO THINK IT'S QUITE PROMISING THAT GENERAL McMASTER WAS
SPEAKING ABOUT THIS FROM KABUL. HE'S IN AFGHANISTAN.
THE ADMINISTRATION IS SHOWING THEY CAN MANAGE MULTIPLE CRISIS
AND ARE ENGAGED NOT JUST WITH NORTH KOREA BUT THE GLOBE.
>> HAROLD, CHINA, REMEMBER, THE PRESIDENT STARTED OFF POORLY
WITH CHINA SUPPOSEDLY BECAUSE OF THE TAIWAN CALL.
RIGHT NOW, AS OF TODAY, YOU'VE GOT TO SAY THEY HAVE PLAYED IT
PRETTY WELL. >> I WOULD AGREE.
I THINK -- HERE IS THE TWEET ON SUNDAY.
>> CHIP, CURRENCY MANIPULATOR WHEN THEY ARE WORKING WITH US ON
NORTH KOREAN PROBLEM. EXACTLY, YOU SHOULDN'T CALL
CHINA CURRENCY MANIPULATORS. >> THIS IS INTERESTING.
I GUESS THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE FOR HAASS AND THIS MAY BE
THE RIGHT THING, SOME HAVE SPECULATED THERE'S A WAY TO TAKE
OUT THIS YOUNG LEADER. MR. McCAIN HAS A UNIQUE WAY OF
DESCRIBING HIM. A UNIQUE WAY TO TAKE HIM OUT.
WHAT CONFIDENCE OR IDEAS DO WE HAVE AS TO MIGHT EMERGE AS A
SUCCESSOR. WE TALK ABOUT IRAN, MIDDLE EAST,
YOUNG POPULATIONS, VERY EDUCATED PEOPLE WHO MAY EMERGE AS
LEADERS. PERHAPS I'M UNCLEAR AND
UNEDUCATED ABOUT THIS REGION. WHAT HAPPENS IF HE IS REMOVED,
GOES A STEP FURTHER? I GUESS TO TAKE IT ONE STEP
BACK, WHAT KIND OF INFLUENCE DOES CHINA ACTUALLY HAVE AS
AMERICANS THINK ABOUT THIS. >> SHORT AN IS THIS IS THE
HARDEST INTELLIGENCE TARGET IN THE WORLD FOR THE UNITED STATES.
IT'S THE MOST OPAQUE COUNTRY, SO WE ADOPT HAVE A GOOD ANSWER.
IF HE WERE TO DISAPPEAR NATURAL, UNNATURAL, WE DON'T KNOW.
>> BRING INTO THE CONVERSATION SUPREME ALLY COMMANDE.
CHIEF INTERNATIONAL SECURITY DIP ALMOSTACY ANALYST FOR NBC NEWS
AND MSNBC. GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON THIS
MORNING. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING
WITH US. DO YOU AGREE WITH RICHARD HAASS
HAT PRESIDENT'S TEAM HAS PUT TOGETHER A GOOD NORTH KOREAN
POLICY RIGHT NOW, A STRATEGY? >> I THINK IT LOOKS LIKE IT.
WE'LL KNOW MORE AS EVENTS UNFOLD.
BUT REALLY THERE'S SORT OF THREE BUCKETS HERE.
RICHARD DID A GREAT JOB AS USUAL OF DESCRIBING THE FIRST ONE,
WHICH IS CHINA. IN THE END, I AGREE THE ROAD TO
PYONGYANG RUNS THROUGH BEIJING. THE OTHER TWO BUCKETS ARE CYBER
AND SPECIAL FORCES, KIND OF A COVERT PROGRAM.
THE OTHER WOULD BE STRIKES, USING MOTHER OF ALL BOMB TO GO
AFTER DEEP AND HARDENED TARGETS OVER THERE.
THE SECOND TWO STRATEGIES ARE GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF
INSTABILITY AS HAROLD JUST ASKED.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT COMES AFTER IF YOU DO THE DECAPITATION
OPTION. SO YOU KEEP GETTING DRIVEN BACK
TO CHINA STRATEGY. I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT ONE.
SO FAR IT APPEARS THAT'S THE ROAD WE'RE ON.
>> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU AND ALSO RICHARD QUICKLY THE DISTURBING
NEWS I THOUGHT YESTERDAY OUT OF TURKEY.
TELL ME WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR A VOTE WHERE OPPONENTS ARE
DEMANDING A RECOUNT. SOME TROUBLING SIGNS THAT SOME
OF THE VOTES MAY NOT HAVE BEEN COUNTED THERE.
AND THE GOVERNMENT SAYING IMMEDIATELY THERE WILL BE NO
RECOUNT. >> WORRISOME AND PART OF A
PATTERN OF INCREASING AUTHORITARIANISM WE'RE SEEING
FROM ERDOGAN. IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO LET
THEM DRIFT OUT OF THE WESTERN ORBIT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THEM.
BY MID CENTURY TURKEY'S POPULATION WILL SURPASS THAT OF
RUSSIA. IT'S NOT ONLY A BRIDGE BETWEEN
EAST AND WEST, IT'S A CENTER OF POWER UNTO ITSELF.
SO TROUBLING SIGNS BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE TO
WORK WITH THEM AND TRY TO HOLD THEM IN THE ORBIT WITH NATO AND
ULTIMATELY PERHAPS IN THE EUROPEAN UNION, ALTHOUGH THAT
LOOKS A LOT HARDER THIS MORNING. >> RICHARD, LAST FIVE TO SEVEN
YEARS, OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH TURKEY AND INTERNAL SITUATION IN
TURKEY COULD HARDLY HAVE GONE MUCH WORSE.
>> EXACTLY. IT WASN'T THAT LONG AGO WE HELD
OUT TURKEY AS A MODEL. HOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE
DEVELOPMENT IN THE MUSLIM WORLD. IT'S NO THE A MODEL FOR
ANYTHING. TRICKY SLOGAN, NO PROBLEM WITH
ANY NEIGHBOR. NOW THEY DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBOR
WITH WHOM THEY DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS.
THIS HAS BEEN A WILDLY UNSUCCESSFUL COUNTRY GOING IN
THE WRONG DIRECTION. AS THE ADMIRAL SAYS WE'RE
DEPENDENT ON THEM. WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT WAYS TO
BECOME LESS DEPENDENT ON THEM. THIS GUY WILL BE IN OFFICE UNTIL
2029, IF HE CAN SURVIVE THIS, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH SAYING
FOREVER. TURKEY FOLLOWING A POLICY NOT IN
AMERICA'S INTEREST. WE'RE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE KURDS.
TURKEY SAYS THE KURDS AS NUMBER ONE ENEMY, TWO AND THREE ENEMY.
WE'RE ON SOMETHING OF A COLLISION COURSE WITH THIS
COUNTRY. WE OUGHT NOT TO KID OURSELVES.
THIS HAS IMPLICATIONS FOR EUROPE.
THIS IS HOW REFUGEES CAN START FLOWING BACK INTO EUROPE, HOW
TERRORISTS CAN FLOW BACK INTO EUROPE.
A TERRIBLE POLICY AND YOUR ABILITY TO WORK WITH THEM IS
INCREASINGLY -- >> FINAL THOUGHTS?
>> NATO CAN BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF HOLDING TURKEY IN THE ORBIT
BECAUSE EU OPTION I THINK IS GOING AWAY OVER HUMAN RIGHTS
ARNOLD DEATH