indeed not emily if you look behind me
you might be able to make out a giant
american flag
uh suspended from two cranes under that
somewhere
is the stage from which joe biden is due
to speak sometime tonight we are told
in prime time that's in a couple of
hours time presumably
but we just don't know what he's going
to say as you say it all depends
on what news comes out of those
battleground states that mark was
talking about of georgia pennsylvania
arizona does he get enough tonight to
plausibly
claim victory although he spent the day
at home with his friends and family we
are told that he's been reaching out to
former
colleagues in the senate republicans
trying to line up some support across
the aisle
for the point at which the election is
declared if it comes in his favor as his
team
increasingly suspect he wants those
republicans
to come out and declare that the
election is in fact legitimate it was
fair
it wasn't fraudulent he thinks an
important part of moving the country
forward
is to isolate the president in his
claims of fraud
all and really that's actually been
happening today several republican
senators have come out
and distanced themselves from president
trump's baseless claims last night that
the democrats are seeking
to steal the election through fraud
senator pat toomey from that
battleground state of pennsylvania
said he thought the president's comments
were quote very disturbing
meanwhile the president himself is
apparently increasingly livid with the
lack of support that he's been getting
his legal team has been sent out to
gather
evidence of that fraud that so far has
not been forthcoming
and sources close to the president are
saying that no one has ever had the
conversation with him
about how he should behave what he
should do were he to lose it's been a
closed subject another problem is he's
running out of funds his campaign has
run dry he's set up
an appeal for a legal fighting fund it's
been another extraordinary day
in american politics and one that's
largely gone in the direction of joe
biden
for this divided country one more
division we're not gonna let him steal
it
pennsylvania
those who think the election has by and
large been fair and those who don't
the president appears increasingly
unlikely to be re-elected
and last night made wild allegations
about the process
if you count the legal votes i
easily win if you count the illegal
votes
they can try to steal
the election from us many networks
simply cut him off
we're watching uh president trump
speaking live from the white house and
and we have to interrupt here because
the president has uh made a number of uh
false statements we're interrupting this
because what the president of the united
states is saying
in large part is absolutely untrue
a stark example of what appears to be
power ebbing
as male in ballots continued to be
processed and counted
joe biden overtook mr trump in georgia a
state which hasn't voted for a democrat
for president
since bill clinton however there are
more votes to come
and the secretary of state of georgia
confirmed there will now be a recount
good morning everyone
i have approximately five million votes
cast
we'll have a margin of a few thousand
with a margin that small
there will be a recount in georgia
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from georgia to pennsylvania major major
development right now
take a look at this biden 49.4
trump 49.3 with joe biden having
this was enough for the speaker of the
house of representatives nancy pelosi
to make her own premature declaration
pretty soon the hyphen will be gone from
vice president
to president-elect joe biden
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in delaware joe biden has been a
frequent diner at angelo's luncheonette
there i met john flaherty who spent 16
years working in joe biden's senate
office
i don't think you're going to find
anybody in the white house who is more
prepared than joe biden
he has a history of reaching out and
talking to people that are diametrically
opposed to what
he stands for and i think that's a real
positive attribute
it's not an attribute in some of the
primaries because it's
it's so polarized on the edges
but he was able to survive those
primaries
in the back of the luncheonette amongst
the elvis memorabilia
is a poster of joe biden's first
presidential run
32 years later it looks like he might
have made it
david gossman there well joining us now
mick mulvaney former white house chief
of staff to donald trump
soon we're going to be joined by bob
casey the senior senator for the crucial
state of pennsylvania you're just
hearing about
mit mulvaney i wonder what you make of
uh people from your own
side whether it's pat toomey saying it's
very hard to watch the president's words
last night
or mike dewine the ohio governor saying
we as a country accept election results
or john bolton saying we're facing a
character test
is it hard to listen to the president
make a speech
like the one he made last night
keep in mind and john bolton and the
president famously don't get along so
you can throw that one out but to your
point
about watching the speech last night
look i watched the speech last night
along with everybody else
and i heard the president say if we
count the legal votes he's going to win
if they don't he's got a chance to lose
i'm willing to believe that uh i just
need to see evidence at some point at
some point you have to
to put up or shut up we've all heard the
anecdotal evidence i've been receiving
it all day about dead people voting
about people voting in the wrong state
about people vaulting
voting multiple times so we hear the
anecdotes but anecdotes don't
cut it at some point you have to present
data you have to make legal arguments
and
we're approaching the time where the
trump the campaign needs to start
putting down hard facts as opposed to
allegations
right i mean you're on the same side it
sounds like then as the senior
republicans i just quoted he hasn't
got the evidence has he he hasn't well
he hasn't i'm not on the same side as
john bolton john bolton said it's a
question of character again that's
that's not the question i think all
republicans are willing
to still admit there's a chance the
president wins pennsylvania's not lost
yet george has not lost yet i still
think he's going to win arizona which
will dramatically change the
account so far but at some point we need
to see the facts and not just the
allegations
yeah because there is a sense now isn't
there amongst the pub
the republican party uh and he was
calling out yesterday
eric trump and giuliani was saying
where's the gop
now that they're actually moving away
from him because somebody's probably got
to tell him
that without evidence you can't keep
making these kind of allegations and you
can't keep jumping in and trying to
create
a legal contortion where you haven't got
facts to back it up i mean he just
tweeted
and he said that joe biden shouldn't
wrongfully claim the office of president
now that's something that joe biden has
very carefully not done
he's just said we have to carry on
counting the votes
and donald trump is the one who said
stop counting stop counting
right again the lawyers are going to be
telling him that
there's it's completely legitimate under
our system to bring
legal challenges just as it is legal and
legitimate excuse me to do recounts
which look like they're going to happen
in most of these states
every state though come on not in every
state and not when you've already sent
out a warning weeks ago that as soon as
the polls were closing
uh it doesn't have to be in every single
state but you're going to have one
obviously in georgia
there's laws on how to count how to do
recounts in states like arizona and
pennsylvania
and yes you are looking at recount in
most of these states
i i just wonder who is who is by his
side
do you think that is prepared to say to
him
look you did a great job you won four
years ago you bought brand new people
into the party
but it's time to go and that there is a
time for graciousness and we saw it from
hillary clinton four years ago we saw it
from john mccain
when he lost we saw it from george h
bush when he lost
there is a there is a moment for grace
and presumably somebody needs to have
that conversation with the president
yeah i'm not sure hillary clinton would
qualify his graciousness
and the way she's handled she wished him
well but to europe she wished him well
and she conceded yeah
the the inner circle at this point would
be most likely when it comes to the
president the family it would be his
adult children
uh the first lady and some of his very
closest business friends and associates
that would be the folks that he's
turning to
uh for the for advice in this very
critical time to answer your question
let's talk to senator bob casey i i
think the the problem is
bob casey is that everyone is sort of
acting like this is a done deal
and the point that mitt mulvaney made is
it it isn't actually a done deal right i
mean you
how confident is the biden team now that
it's all over
well i just speak from my perspective i
i know i've won six statewide elections
in pennsylvania so i know a good bit
about the state
and here's the reality joe biden's ahead
now in pennsylvania his lead
will continue to grow it's inexorable in
terms of the
mail-in ballots he's going to have
he's going to have a lead that i think
will be substantial enough for
a determination about when networks or
news organizations make a call but the
that lead will also grow so by the time
there's an official count
and that is always later and the number
is always higher
i believe based upon the the data i've
seen and
folks whose data crunching i trust
uh that the margin will be either north
or south of 100
votes which would be uh well above the
forty four thousand two ninety two the
president won by and that was his
official
the million dollar question uh senator
because you're right in the heart of
things
um you wouldn't have any sense of timing
on that would you because i think from
about nine o'clock this morning
uh when joe biden looked as if he was
taking the lead everyone's been on that
knife edge but it's not clear right
well the i think part of the problem was
since this morning that the counting
slowed down for
all kinds of reasons but that
that's just part of the process um i
don't know when
when there'll be a margin that will be
high enough for people to think that is
it's reached the point of making a
determination about the race but um
but i i have no doubt he's going to win
and i have no doubt that it'll be
when all the counties done in that range
i don't know if you heard from uh mick
mulvaney a few moments ago but
the the the fact is that donald trump
made a speech last night
um which certainly some on his own side
and
maybe half the country i.e the people
who voted for him
will have taken at face value so i i i
wonder
what any future joe biden presidency
does with that
well i i don't know i'm not sure what a
new administration does
with that other than in the in the near
term
i think we have to be very clear what
the responsibilities are of a president
he has an obligation to make statements
and to conduct himself and to propose
to propose policies and ideas that
are consistent with respecting the will
of the american people when they vote
and also has to make it very clear that
he will
comply with the peaceful transfer of
power
so far he hasn't been willing to do any
of the kind
and when he engages in the kind of
behavior we saw
yesterday and the statements he made
yesterday it's not only undermining
the right to vote it's not only
undermining democracy
it undermines our national security the
only one who benefited
from that statement yesterday was
vladimir putin
and also the you know the other enemies
of america all over the world
so it's time for the president to to be
very clear
about respecting the will of people and
he can still pursue
legal action with with um with evidence
but
he has no evidence he just wants to to
uh
to complain about the election that
there was quite a hardcore response from
the
the joe biden campaign saying uh we will
remove trespassers
um from the white house if we need to
suggesting that
what he would be forcibly ejected if if
there isn't a smooth transfer of power i
mean what
what what do they have in mind
look all i know is we have a
constitution and at some point
in the life of a public official um
there comes a time when that individual
is either going to walk alongside with
the constitution and support it or he's
going to try to stand in the way
and in this case uh the constitution
will just roll over
uh the president if he continues to
engage in this
um this this conduct and make these
statements
he can litigate this if he wants but if
if you litigate you have to have facts
and proof and persuasive legal arguments
we'll see if he comes up with that but
right now he's got nothing especially
when it comes to pennsylvania he doesn't
know the first thing about
what happens in philadelphia or any
other place he has no facts to
to smear the people of philadelphia and
thereby smear
every election officially in the entire
united states of america
well casey thank you very much mick
mulvaney thanks for joining us a little
earlier