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She did tell me that.
She goes, I don't fight with men.
And-- and women, she could be aggressive
to-- and everything else.
But with men, she's subservient to.
Jennifer, the same way.
When a man is talking with a woman,
there's a very fine line.
Yeah.
I mean, I could really go down the list with
those two with that [bleep].
All [bleep] day.
Maybe it was wrong on my part.
I'm glad we're getting to a better place.
We miss you, man.
He just doesn't get into it the way Jennifer does.
He's a likable guy.
Jen is-- she's an acquired taste and she's not
everybody's speed.
When I hear that about my wife, it hurts me.
Bill and I are a couple.
You don't like him, you don't like me.
So good!
You actually like it?
I love it.
I still am wrapped up in a lot of rules
but I'm slowly getting there.
I'm in therapy three times a week.
It's weird for me to not see my ribs
every time I take my shirt off.
Well, you know I like you with a little meat on your
[laughs]
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Bill, there was some tension between you
and the guys going into Marge Sr's birthday party.
You haven't seen the guys since boys' night.
You know, obviously Joe Gorga, as well as Evan, said
you don't have a good heart. Right?
Right.
And I can't accept that, obviously.
My reservations remain, not because of me, but really
what they said about my wife.
Jen got dirty.
She's trying to find stuff to hurt individual people.
That is not a good person.
When I hear that about my wife, it hurts me.
You know, if you're saying my wife is not good, that means
I made a bad decision picking a partner in life,
fall in love with someone who is a terrible person.
Obviously that's not the truth.
I was sad for Bill because I know Bill loves hanging
out with all of the guys.
And there was part of him that was like, I'm
not going to be good with any of them
until they're good with you.
So once he knew that I was OK, he
was OK being supportive for me.
And I love that.
At the end of the day--
I mean, he loves Marge Sr too.
He, like, picked her up and twirled her around.
I was just happy that I had my baby Billy back.
My wife is a well-opinionated woman.
Of course, when you are opinionated and give more
opinions, there is a little bit more confrontations
that takes place.
Fred Flintstone called, he wants his outfit back!
She's disgusting.
And at the end of the day, what I tell people is, look--
in your heart, do you feel that's a terrible person?
Or that's a good person who says things
that you may disagree-- or is it really truly a terrible person?
The thing is, Bill is a lot more, I would say, levelheaded
and he's a little bit more in control of his feelings.
You know, he just doesn't get into it the way Jennifer does.
He's a likable guy.
For the rest of this trip, his name is Anthony.
Turkish Guido!
- Turkish Guido! - Turkish Guido!
Yeah!
[laughing]
Jen is-- she's an acquired taste.
And she's not everybody's speed.
[bleep] you. [bleep] you.
You can get the [bleep] out of my house.
So some people love her.
Some people do not love her.
Bill's great.
He's a guy's guy, and he's just a normal guy.
He likes to have fun.
You good now?
He's all right.
OK, he's fine.
[cheering, clapping]
We kind of, like, made love instantly, right?
We missed each other.
We made up!
Y-- you hurt me.
He was upset, man, because you guys were picking on him.
No, we weren't picking on him.
Maybe it was wrong on my part.
I'm glad we were getting to a better place.
See, that's what men do.
We just-- it's-- and it's-- and it's gone and it's over.
Were you worried at all this whole season,
kind of, with you dealing with Bill and having
to kind of re-acclimate to Bill after everything that happened?
We want the truth now.
I think Bill and I are both very much
grown ups. And I think Bill and I are on the same wavelength
and he's matured.
And I think I'm mature.
I immediately said to him, I didn't feel awkward around him.
I mean, I felt badly, but as soon as I saw him
the first time, I hugged him. I said, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry you're collateral damage.
Bill and I are a couple.
You don't like him, you don't like me.
You don't like me, you don't get to like him.
That's how it goes.
We are a package deal.
Exactly.
OK?
So you either take all or nothing.
Yes.
At Marge Sr's birthday party, the ladies in attendance
made an observation about Teresa.
- You can't sit there-- - I just don't think--
--and being mad at me for what my husband said but not
being mad at my husband!
She did tell me that, she goes, I don't fight with men.
She puts men on a pedestal-- even
men that treat her like [bleep] she puts on a [bleep] pedestal.
Why do you think Teresa doesn't get mad at men?
But will get mad at women for men's actions?
Oh, OK, I can't explain everything.
Listen, guys.
I'm making an explanation.
She couldn't handle her own.
Trust me.
Hasn't worked so well so far.
[laughs]
It is true to the fact that she only
gets mad at women, and women, she could be aggressive to
and everything else.
But with men, she's subservient to.
And it's interesting.
It's just like--
she was mad at Tracy, you know, with all that crap.
I mean, it's craziness.
It's just pure craziness.
Why do you shy away from getting
confrontational with men like you do with the other women?
That's weird.
Yeah, like I'm, uh--
I'm not into that, you know?
But, like, I'll say what I have to say.
I mean, even Evan, I wasn't going to get
into it with him because--
first of all, Evan never did anything to me,
and I was just trying to tell his wife
that this rumor was out there.
What is it that you heard?
I don't know.
Like, that Evan does stuff at the gym.
What stuff?
That he, like, cheats on her.
Because, like, just like I protect Louie,
she should protect Evan.
If this rumor is out there, she should kill it!
But Jackie, she didn't get where I was coming from.
That's why we don't see eye to eye.
I think that Teresa always has an easier
time bullying a woman.
Like, even when it came to Evan, like she didn't want
to apologize to him, she didn't want
to talk to someone's husband.
She would like for Teresa to call her husband
and say, I did hear a rumor.
But we can all see you're a great husband,
you're a great father.
Are you willing to do that?
Nah.
It's the same thing with me.
Is it easy to go against Jen or Bill?
Let me think about it-- yeah, it is.
I mean, I can go hard against Jen.
Even he-- a little bitch girl, came in and commented.
[laughs] Can I really?
No, but I would like to.
So I would rather go hard against Bill.
She would call me, say, listen, I'm sorry.
Whatever the girls are going through, don't worry about it.
Let's talk tomorrow, we'll fix this.
Right.
So you know, you pick the same gender.
It's easier to, right?
Yes.
Jennifer, the same way--
I don't want to be mean-- only blames women.
Men are the innocent ones.
I mean, I could really go down the list with those two
with that [bleep] all [bleep] day.
I mean, I have to say, last year when
Margaret was saying stuff to your brother
Joe at her Halloween party--
Joe, you're being a chauvinist.
I thought that that whole conversation between them
was extremely awkward.
I felt that, like, Margaret was getting testy with him.
Oh, yeah!
When a man is talking with the women,
that's a-- there's a very fine line--
Yeah.
--before that man starts looking like
maybe he's a little bit too hostile
or aggressive with that woman.
Yeah, I'm surprised more incidents that are straight.
It can become very awkward.
So sometimes it's just better to,
like, not get involved with-- with your friends'
significant other.
Jackie, we see you get ice cream with your kids
for the first time.
What was that like?
Should I try mine?
Yeah.
It's so good!
Do you actually like it?
I love it.
I've never had ice cream because I don't know
how many calories are in it and it's too much
and it doesn't fit into my day.
So there was a lot of anxiety around it,
but at the same time, it was so nice to share that
with my kids, and it was so unexpected
for them to see me eating that, and it
made me feel very normal.
And it also made me feel like, oh God, maybe
I can reverse some of the damage that I might have already done.
So there was a lot wrapped up in that moment.
It wasn't just as simple as me eating ice cream.
I thought about a regular person would
maybe skip eating something else because they had ice cream.
A normal person doesn't skip something else because they
had ice cream, actually.
Really?
Really.
For me to have ice cream and then not compensate felt way
too indulgent and unnecessary, and I had to get used
to doing that, and it's been-- it's been
really difficult for me.
And I know it's something really hard
to understand if you're not, like,
wrapped up in an eating disorder,
but I've been making progress.
Definitely progress.
And I have definitely gained weight.
And I am some days really unhappy about it
and really uncomfortable, but I know
that I'm doing the best thing for my health
and for my children and for everyone.
Just trust me, our kids notice it, by the way.
- No, they haven't. - Yeah, they have.
- Do they really? - Yes!
When?
I don't know, in the last year,
they've mentioned it several times.
What did they say to you?
They said, why is mom eating the same dinner every night?
I said, just let her be.
When I said that, I didn't mean it to, like, spark anything,
I was just telling her matter of fact.
I didn't know it would have such an impact.
I guess in retrospect, I probably should have, but--
you know, it makes a big impact if the ones you love the most,
your kids, they are noticing something that's different.
And you don't want to be portrayed
as different, but almost like in a negative light.
You know, that and the fact that the doctor
said that her heart, if she continues doing this,
could give out.
She could have a heart attack at any point in time.
So you combine those two and it's kind of like, here's
the real world.
We either decide that we have to do something or not.
I still wrapped up in a lot of rules but I'm slowly--
it's going to take a while, but I'm slowly getting there.
Yeah, but I'm proud of you.
At least you're working on it and you're trying
and you have people in your corner
because you realize that, like, you need a little push.
And you need a little help with it,
- Oh, yeah. - And you want to make it right.
Oh, I'm in--
I'm in therapy three times a week.
It's a lot. I'm doing a lot.
But it's-- - Good.
It's good, I just, I worry about, you know, my body,
because I--
I was so rail thin for so long, it's weird for me
to not, you know, see my ribs every time I take my shirt off.
You know?
Well, you know I like you with a little meat on your bones.
I like-- - Yeah, I got some meat now.
Now I got to--
I like it.
--light in my booty.
I like it.
Dolores, you sometimes have a tendency
to explain Teresa's actions.
Oh, I don't know.
I don't do that, ask her.
I'm kidding.
[laughs]
She did tell me that, she goes, I don't fight with men.
Listen guys, I'm making an explanation.
She couldn't handle her own.
Trust me.
Hasn't worked so well so far.
She works for the UN, Dolores.
[both laughing]
I'm the translator.
So we kind of have a lot of understandings
about certain things where other people get
offended, like if she doesn't tell me her business,
I understand why.
I used to not talk about my legal stuff.
Did I ever come to you and say, why don't I know--
- No. - No, that--
If somebody-- she doesn't say it to somebody else,
it's like, well, am I not a friend enough to you
that you would explain that to me?
You know, these are things that I understand about Teresa,
so when she does something, I try to explain it.
Knowing the dynamics of where she comes from,
her background-- you know, we grew up in the same area,
and a lot of the people that I grew up with
are very much like her.
Now, I was at one time also, so I can explain it as far as,
like I could detach myself from a situation
if I had to be strong and go through it.
I didn't like to talk about things because it would bring
reality to it-- although talking about things
is very therapeutic and it really
helps you get through it.
But I had to evolve to that, and I had to learn from that.
Teresa, I feel like will come into that
but hasn't yet, so I understand when she does
something, what she's thinking.
If we talk about old school ways, there's Dolores.
She'll back you up, no matter what-- even if you're wrong.
She's going to back you up in front of everybody
and then she'll call you after the fact to say, listen, you
were wrong but I backed you up.
So she's backing her up.
That's her friend from, you know, over 30 years.
Not everything is defendable or-- or explainable.
Sometimes it gets misconstrued as I agree with what she did,
or I agree with what she said.
I don't like that, but I can understand
where somebody is coming from also when they do say that.
So I just be me.