Kevin Kamps is be is with us right now those of you who hear our newscasts
know that in our newscast today we every day now we're reporting
the red cast .org statistics I'll
Larry they say that the alert level is a hundred counts per minute
and Frederick Wisconsin today as advertising is averaging 59 counts per
minute
but it's biking at seventy-four three different season Arizona Chino Valley
Prescott in Tucson they're all average around 60 counts per minute or above
the east coast today is seen some high level 63 counts per minute in Charleston
North Carolina
71 and sells Bri mass and they offer and they have read cass is issued a warning
about hot rain in cells berry massacre in Salisbury mass it's raining
get out of the rain its spiking it over 120 readcasts reminds us that
anything over a hundred counts for men it is what they consider an alert
Kevin camps will be on nuclear .org is on the line with us is the radioactive
waste
watchdog would be on nuclear and Kevin welcome back to the program
a compact fabric thanks for joining us what do those red cast members tell you
Kevin
you know I need to start carrying my eye rattler can't help monitor again it
sounds like
you know I'm use to levels around 10 to 20 counts per minute
I'm from West Michigan and I used to carry a rattler
are regularly and that's what I would get all the time and you know when it's
spikes you know there's
I perhaps something go or not so I'll accept my
alert level at 30 I what's my little just some pop that I who knows what that
was
could be cosmic radiation but there have been times when I've gotten very high
readings and it was because there was something going on
and I was unable to %uh figure out what I was yeah
was speaking of something going on I any of us who live anywhere near the jet
stream are
are according to Helen Caldicott you're in the position to pick up whatever goes
on at Fukushima
what's going on at Fukushima well
are you still got their regular daily radioactive releases into the ocean and
that are traveling with the groundwater
some 70,000 gallons per day of radioactive groundwater filed under the
ocean
can you got something very significant about to start in a couple weeks later
state permission of the nuclear Regulation Authority if you can
to Tokyo Electric start removing high-level radioactive waste from the
unit for poor
and that badly damaged building in a couple weeks from now they're gonna star
I getting a crane to pull those irradiated fuel assemblies are
at damage for now I read
that it the way that they make fuel rods is is select
you know packing a cigarette you know it you've got this
outside to and then the inside so tobacco or
or maybe a better analogy would-be I if you
if you were to cut the ends of a fluorescent light ball you know for us
into wells long first trip cinch
and thoughtful batteries ANSI to have one giant long battery right
that there are these sells these pieces
love radioactive material I am super enrich uranium and whatnot
that are in these tubes in the tubes are made out as our county in
and that Zarcone and when it's exposed to the air catches on fire
efforts at all warm is that is that true if that's the case
how are they gonna pull these things out of a water pool without burst into
flames mmm
causing a disaster well you're your cigarette analogy is apt
Arctic under Senate Fairland associates in Vermont has compared the situation
ending in a 4-4-2 up a pack of cigarettes
status and crushed you know usually it's easy to get a cigarette out a packed I
wanna Christ it's hard to get him out he points out that the steel rocker
experience that earthquake for one thing faith experience that big explosion that
destroyed the reactor building for another thing and he warns that they are
likely thats fair likely badly corroded because salt water was used at one point
for them
and they may be damaged and calling them out may be the final straw that causes
their disintegration and to you our you know how it
power South uranium could just fall to the bottom of the pool
you know what that because another those pallets one place you've got a critical
mass to grab a nuclear reaction
the dilemma as they have to get the waste at the port because another big
earthquake could collapse that program
during the column waterway away and now you've got a radioactive inferno
I want war what we've seen so far in the last two years and eight months
would it be a scenario like chernobyl or like
like Doege sake well chernobyl would be a more appropriate comparison because
we're talking
commercial nuclear power plant ironically of your
fight it would be unprecedented yeah there were two hundred car
of nuclear fuel actionable that first passed an explosion and then burned out
of control for
10 days for that getting closer to what we're looking at but
what we're looking at a fixed on the dates again a force more like a hundred
and fifty times
okay last century novel by Knoll radiological containment what so ever
and once at I cool waters contact deadly doses of radioactivity
human beings cannot approach even people in helicopters will be exposed to
dangerous levels
and its be impossible to put that fire out at that point with the
just unimaginable radioactivity releases directly into the environment
will be an exaggeration to say that TEPCO is about to begin
the most dangerous experiment in the history the human race
well I mean there's a lot of competition right i mean there's
god of wars in Africa don honestok kinda crazy is going on in the world but
certainly in terms of the radioactivity that's their
the potential for fire X it's a call for
our risk that's about to take place and this for-profit
incompetent dishonest company called Tokyo Electric Power Company
by some absurd reason is in charge of this process you know the japanese
government should be on there
the United States government the America United Nations should be in there
the best and brightest minds in science technology and engineering should be
involved in this decision making and they're just not
way my original question to you about the is a crony am
to is um he II I don't think you quite answered in
and and um not that I think you're being evasive
hedge fund by I want to be clear on the answer to this
if these tubes are combustible
and they're going to pull them out about water pool into the air
how do they do that without them catching on fire even if they're not
crushed
well by the way it would work is a little older I transfer cast down into
the pool that's the radiation shielding
they would put the your internet transfer cast called the cast out at the
pool
and that's radiation shielding so that the nearby workers comp sadly doses of
gamma radiation
they would lower deck asked to the ground level and takes off your hand how
to transfer cash and put it into a more permanent I guess you could say
out ground level dry cask storage so they're gonna pull the individual
pallets are the tubes leave the tubes in place
no we are at the tutor bundled into assemblies and knows what
stay inside the strike asks and they have at ground level qualification
mid-eighteen
track and be a temporary hold in place until they can get into these more
permanent
dry casks first or so these rods can be exposed to the air for a period of time
without a danger of combustion
you have a transfer tasks on the storage casks you have
are cooling mechanism filter and it's not a water-based it's more convection
current affair
to carry away the key ice it's just a matter of keeping them below us
below the temperature at which they're calling and burst into flames
yeah ignition temperature economy something like 2000 agree yes I may be a
little bit lower than that
characteristics that it will spontaneously combust and it's an excel
for mac
self-perpetuating reaction while like magnesium
yeah amazed Kevin Kamps the radioactive waste watchdog to be on nuclear be on
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check out the website Kevin thanks for being with us pick it up
I think thanks for being with us and this is pretty scary news keep us up to
date
with Jeff carrier the following yeah there you go yeah exactly
in a solemn paper and markers retrograde and they just decided to do it
karen thank you very much over it