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you mentioned before that you spend time with congressman McCarthy
and I'm order II summit meetings were off the record as far as what they told
you but but
I'm wondering if there is any through overriding
advice that I gave you are or or what kinda questions you ask them
warm I was per i'm looking around washington politics for a long time
over many many years and so I've been around it i've seen a lot of it but I
was specifically interested in
what is it like to be in a position where you have to try to corral
218 congressman in a particular way
to try to get them to vote in a particular way to try to get them to go
in a particular direction and how
remarkably difficult that is particularly I suppose
you look at it for you know when he he he rose to power
in his rise to becoming the majority with I think happen faster than anyone
in history
congress you doing four years for on he also came in
at that time when a huge amount of new
congressmen were elected in many cases on the heels of the Tea Party
and having come to Washington with a kind promised they're gonna change
politics in the morn
do it the way that Washington does is so very very tough position
room for a guy like him to be an and it was for me very fascinating You Buy Me
with meeting which was an incredible thing to do
said and listen to and be part of and I was really interested in the mechanics
how many deputy whips to you how many times you go in me
your your all of those how much does your staff
do all that work right at what point you try to close things how many times you
fly back to your own district
already sorta in some ways slightly technical things
arm but also this or the interest in and how much do you
you know twist arms and how much does that kind of thing go on susan was very
hopeful
from you to spend time with both do you feel i mean
we know in Kevin spent a lot time Steny Hoyer and Kevin McCarthy for in
preparing for his will to do
spent time in the in real life politicians are for political spouse is
to prepare for this
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I think also the great thing about the way much go over to writers have been
developing
characters
I still don't know so much about Frank reston's government so many things as we
go along this journey
that its kinda fun sometimes and we have a certain characters
in in
the piece in the second season
foresees were you don't know a lot about them you don't know a lot about
backstory way
thank you in some ways it frees up the writing team in being able to
at some point used decide what you're going to reveal about a character
when you're going to reveal me you in a sense what great things about looking at
this in terms of chapters or
were telling us for a long period of time is that characters will
reveal themselves in time and with enough space
for it to happen want great things not being in a position at home to a pilot
for the series were
your obligated just spent 45 minutes establishing all the characters
charisma we've had this incredible luxury of being able to
allow it to evolve as Bo and his team have wanted the story
routed to measure itself must be incredibly liberating someone's right i
feel like i mean
it's funny I I know in a lot of ways don't feel like we're doing a series I
feel like that word
really long 30 film its that's the way it feels
truly revolutionary part house of cards which is the distribution which is
a I mean I don't know of the notion binge viewing
has been around for a while but this is the first I've heard of it and I think
because I've live streaming in technology
our viewers when I have a chance to experience
this in real time on their own schedule I guess it's the
elect it's the next iteration a box sets arm
happens that affected your relationship but I guess I'll start with Kevin
with your viewers and just how the rhythm a show like this proceeds when
you don't know when people to be watching
that's why I first have to say I think they've been spewing
has been around for certainly since boxes came along
you know for a number of years now you you talk to anybody about what they've
done on a weekend in this I stayed home and watched
two seasons of Dexter I watched three seasons Breaking Bad
so I do you think that the way in which people have been consume
and the attention spans audiences has definitely seems to have shifted
or at least on beyond what many television executives are far
audiences could have right arm in terms of how it shifts the way in which
audiences
experience something I think it's part of the excitement a bit
as a platform is that now audiences really
are in control in a way
I guess you could say that it's a little bit like picking up a novel
you can decide to put it down on the site a row
the bed when you want you it doesn't you don't have to you do
middle overs to upset you do the n-terminus you can watch three episodes
you watched all 13
so the bingeing part definitely is a guest
people better you know I had a lot of people some industries thank you sir
three days of my life but I'll I i think it's quite
interesting and exciting for an audience to be used to be in a position now where
they can decide how they want something to evolve for them
right route yeah someone means
and control doesn't comment
message think that's a bit too much it was a I
right are is
both W cubans with the its novelist
approach non-violent the make it also experience
that's why we don't actually that the subtitles sculpture
spread so
book you can side read five chapters once
were just one in space so
you know I think yet the
set out to make this one assessment TV show
at all more novel worth when the
we just want a great story I'm interested in sort of your
your view for the political world house for the room
2013 the world was blowing up nothing is getting done
a you have any any overriding
messenger or less and that you're drawn from what you're saying today
your where you see the country oh you 0
yes I'm asking happened yet yeah this is this is the area where
I anytime you start to actually talk about this sorta stuff you
you come under such criticism for even opening your mouth but I i think
probably a
I it's better that I just you know let the
experience that I'm having doing house the cards speak for itself
you want a balance up
I there was no
you exactly when the country's yeah I'm
I the question i mean essentially no house in Kearns
obviously draws into a national
pathos right now about politics again
it's the mixes exhilaration revulsion its
and against endlessly compel arm
minutes wonder if if this is a particularly cynical time for really
hopeful time I mean
it's hard to know obviously but move through more use its order on the
the Nexus and fiction them I'm I'm
me personally I'm an optimistic person and i actually think the show
is optimistic on how so because things get done
you well anyone who strives anyone who
the you know grasps for what they want
is a former optimism now the problem is that people take optimism and idealism
and they want to equate
to idealism can be incredibly cynical and
and in its intransigence you know on so
you know we you can get all the semantic things but yet
but at the end of the day were watching two people
who love each other who are ruthless in their love and worthless
in there work the
strife and I think that that's
optimistic wherever you whatever you think about them on the ethical spectrum
as up to you you know but I think they make an argument for the ends justify
the means and I think that they
on you know give us something complex
compelling and mysterious of
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