Joe Rogan has decided to join Gettr the right wing alternative to Twitter,
as an insurance policy in case he gets banned from Twitter.
Now, this came after congresswoman Marjorie Greene was suspended from
Twitter for violating its policies on vaccine disinformation.
Something she has done multiple times, but she has done it so many times.
That appears that she's now dealing with a permanent suspension.
We'll see how that goes.
Now Gettr as you know,
was launched by Jason Miller who was a former senior Trump advisor.
And in his announcement, Rogan wrote this,
this is his post on Gettr, just in case Twitter gets even dumber.
I'm here now as well.
Rejoice.
Now, Rogan does have cause for concern in terms of possibly getting censored.
In fact, he has been censored by some platforms already in
regard to the vaccine, and coronavirus related misinformation.
He doles out with his podcast, for instance, he has consistently promoted
the use of Ivor mixed in as a treatment for coronavirus, even though,
there is no evidence of Ivor Mukden as a treatment for coronavirus.
And he has of course downplayed the need for young people to get vaccinated,
because he believes that it should only be used for
people who have core morbidity, or are at more vulnerable to coronavirus.
Now, Twitter by the way, also banned Dr. Robert Malone, an MRN,
a vaccine scientist who has been accused of spreading misinformation about
COVID-19, just days before he appeared on Rogan's podcast last week.
Malone of course has also opened a Gettr account.
Now, YouTube has decided to take down Rogan's conversation with Dr.
Malone, and Dr. Malone is actually an interesting character.
We'll get into more detail about him in just a minute,
but before we do I want you to get accustomed to, or
I should say acquainted with him in case you haven't heard of him.
So, Dr. Malone during his conversation with Joe Rogan had used the phrase,
mass formation psychosis multiple times to basically,
compare modern day America to Nazi Germany.
And even though he is one of the pioneers of the MRNA framework that's
used in the COVID vaccines,
he's now out there spreading all sorts of scary paranoid misinformation about it.
To discourage people from getting vaccinated.
With that said, I want to play just a short snippet of his conversation with
Joe Rogan, and then we'll discuss, let's watch.
>> What the heck happened in Germany?
In the 20s and 30s, you know, very intelligent, highly educated population,
and they went barking mad.
And how did that happen?
The answer is mass formation psychosis.
When you have a society that has become decoupled from each other,
and has free floating anxiety in a sense that things don't make sense.
We can't understand it, and then their attention gets focused by a leader or
a series of events.
On one small point, just like hypnosis, they literally become hypnotized, and
can be lead anywhere, it doesn't matter whether they lie to him or whatever.
The data are irrelevant and furthermore, anybody who questions that
narrative is to be immediately attacked, they are the other,
this is central to mass formation psychosis, and this is what has happened.
We had all those conditions.
If you remember back before 2019, everybody was complaining, the world
doesn't make sense, blah blah blah, and we're all isolated from each other.
We're all on our little tools.
We're not connected socially anymore except through social media,
and then this thing happened, and everybody focused on it.
>> So, we've seen this happen before where people like to compare what individuals
are doing to keep themselves safe during a global pandemic to Nazi Germany.
I would argue that that is an insane comparison, and incredibly insulting,
especially to people who have family members who suffered during the holocaust.
But you know, the whole situation is super strange,
because someone who considers himself the pioneer of the technology
necessary to create these vaccines is now so heavily against it.
And look, I can say as a free American,
I am not a victim of any type of like groupthink.
I want to live my life as a free individual without having to worry
about getting hospitalized, or
without having to worry about dying from COVID, same with my family members.
The way that you can finally go out there, and live life and not be so atomized, and
isolated from everyone else is to get vaccinated.
And look, if people don't want to get vaccinated,
I would be totally fine with that.
If they weren't overwhelming our hospitals, and essentially leading to
a situation where people with other ailments are getting denied treatment,
because they don't have hospital beds necessary to treat them.
I mean, he's not a dumb person, he is a scientist, he is a doctor,
he knows these things.
But apparently, he's got a huge bias that wasn't discussed in the context of this
Joe Rogan interview, which I'll get to in just a second, but
Jake why don't you jump in?
>> Yeah, I have a nuanced take on this, and actually I think I disagree with you
on one thing, I actually think his explanation of mass formation psychosis
made a lot of sense, whether the Nazis used it, or anybody else used it.
But as he was describing it, I thought it described the right wing perfectly,
that's exactly what happens.
You get one leader who says ignore all the evidence, and
if anyone disagrees with the leader then they are to be shunned.
And so, now there's some, again, nuanced within the right wing to that leader.
Unchallenged leader used to be Donald Trump.
It's not morphing into Joe Rogan slash Alex Jones slash tucker Carlson right?
But do they have mass formation psychosis, definitely,
they will not listen to any facts about anything, which is deeply ironic.
So and are they slipping into fascism?
I think they definitely are.
So now, both sides think that each other are Nazis by the way now, I think for
reasons that we've explained, and I can explain more here.
I think that they are not in favor of democracy.
Obviously, the big one being, hey, they lost an election, and
they had no evidence, and they lost 60 court cases, and
they said screw it, we don't want democracy, right?
But in their minds, they are the protectors of democracy.
But guys, whether you're on the right wing, or the left wing,
you keep getting distracted.
The people in charge is not the right wing, or the left wing, it's corporations.
>> And by the way, Malone would have you believe that he agrees with you on that,
that, you know, there is an issue with these pharmaceutical companies.
It's all about profit that they rushed the creation of these vaccines,
and now everyone is part of this giant experiment.
But it's interesting because while he spews that talking point,
which by the way, there's a lot of truth to that.
He leaves out pretty relevant information regarding the fact that he
worked as a consultant for major pharmaceutical companies like that was
a huge part of the money he made right?
And so, I think what we're experiencing right now is unfortunately,
this cocktail of failures among our institutions.
You're right.
It's not about our political leaders brainwashing us,
it's about corporate rule, which also gets left out of these nuanced conversation,
lack of nuanced conversations, and yeah, it's it's incredibly frustrating.
We, by the way, we don't disagree.
I take offense to the idea that he's applying this like mass,
brainwashing ideology to people who are doing what's necessary
to keep themselves, and people in their community safe.
>> Yeah.
So look, Malone is a liar, or he's an idiot.
I don't know, he's lost his mind.
Whatever the adjective you want to attach to, why?
I'm not just saying that, and I'm not mainstream media where they just say,
anyone who disagrees with us should be bandits.
And and by the way, this is really important guys.
Mainstream media also, does mass formation of psychosis.
They will tell you things like, no,
people don't want higher wages because they're concerned about inflation.
Well, that's not true.
There's no poll shows that no you don't want higher wages,
because you're part of corporate rule.
So, on this show we've shown you literally, hundreds of brazen over
the top lies of mainstream media, why all in favor of corporate rule?
So now, but why do I say those things about Dr. Malone?
Now, I'm not saying he was never a doctor, and
he would never was never of sound mind.
He apparently was a good doctor at some point, right?
By the way, there's a lot of folks who are good doctors at some point, and
they have lost their minds named Dr. Oz now, that he's like a clown.
Everybody's forgotten, but
he was literally one of the best heart surgeons in the country.
Remember Ben Carson used to be an amazing surgeon.
So, you can be a doctor, and then lose your mind.
And so in his case, why am I sure?
Guys, all of the other doctors working at all of the other
hospitals aren't all part of the drug company scam.
A random doctor in the middle of Kansas or Rhode island, or Hawaii,
or wherever they are, they aren't all like, the big drug companies,
they have sent me a check for $10.73.
I will now lie to all my patients, and endanger their lives.
You really think all of the world's doctors accept Dr.
Malone, and two other Rando is that Joe Rogan found,
are all lying that their patients that are dying are not the unvaccinated there.
They are the vaccinated, but every single doctor in every single hospital is lying.
You'd have to be nuts to believe that, and at this point,
Joe Rogan is definitely nuts.
And so, is the stupid as quack doctor Malone.
Now, so, I don't mind him getting banned for saying absurd things,
and that are obvious outrageous lies, but there's still nuance because if he says,
hey, listen, I don't think the kids should take the vaccine.
I don't think that's an outrageous opinion.
I don't necessarily, not necessarily, I don't agree with that.
My kids took it, but that shouldn't get you banned.
So yeah, we everybody has to follow the science,
instead, of the politics of each stupid camp.
>> Yeah. And look, I think that, you know,
I don't really, I don't have the same views on the censorship of Dr.
Malone that I that I have with someone like,
let's say Alex Jones because he is a doctor at the end of the day.
And there is a bias here that I think is taking, really influencing his commentary
on the COVID vaccines, but I think it's left out of these conversations.
But once you start censoring the opinions of actual scientists and
doctors, you do run into some problems.
I think that I do worry about that.
I'm just putting that out there.
It's very different.
It's very different from someone who incites violence towards victims
of Sandy of the Sandy Hook shooting, which is what Alex Jones did.
>> Yeah, and I think Rogan is now on the edge, right?
I never thought he was on the edge before.
But the reason why he's on the edges, he keeps bringing in to doctors, and not
telling his audience there are literally millions of other doctors who disagree.
This guy's in the 0.01% minority.
Well, then ironically Rogan is doing an old mainstream media trick, which is,
hey, some people say this is some people say that.
Well, I'll call it even well, it ain't even your de facto lying to your audience.
And by the way, if you just kept, if you're just stuck to the parts
that are true, of course you're allowed to disagree.
And guys, look, we don't,
we have a tremendous self interest in not wanting censorship.
The mainstream media hates us.
The establishment democrats hate us even more than the establishment republicans.
We would be among the first ban for just opinions.
But at the same time when you look at things like this,
if their doctors have disagreements about cancer.
Well, okay, that's one thing.
But cancer is not contagious.
So, they could have that academic disagreement all day in public,
even if one of them is a quack, right?
But when you have a contagious disease, and
there are doctors out there who are saying, yeah, no big deal man.
Yeah, I'll take the vaccine.
Yeah. I spread it around your family.
It's so great.
Well, then the platforms have some responsibility to go,
I need you to stop endangering people's lives.
>> Okay. So, I wanted to get into what I keep
hinting at, which is, there's some bias here in regard to Dr. Malone.
And these COVID vaccines, because I wanted to understand how is
it that someone who considers himself the pioneer of MRNA.
Like the MRNA framework, then feels the need to come out, and
discourage people from taking a vaccine that uses that research,
and saves people's lives.
Well, the Atlantic wrote a lengthy piece about this Tom Bartlett,
I want to give him credit for the article.
And apparently, Malone this I'm reading directly from the peace,
Malone says he deserves credit for more than just hold on one second.
Okay, here we go.
Malone was the first author on a 1989 paper demonstrating how RNA could
be delivered into cells using lipids, which are basically tiny globules of fat.
And a co author.
A co author on a 1990 science paper showing that if you inject pure RNA,
or DNA into mouse muscle cells, it can lead to the transcription of new proteins.
If the same approach worked for human cells.
The latter paper said, in its conclusion, this technology may provide
alternative approaches to vaccine development, and to be sure that is true.
Right? So,
he is one of the pioneers to give him credit.
He's not some quack, but then things got a little shady.
Okay.
And it turns out that he feels that he was essentially erased from the history books,
in regard to being the pioneer.
And it seems like he didn't want to give credit to his co authors,
in regard to the research that was done in the 1980s.
So, the piece goes on to note that Malone says he deserves credit for
more than just sparking hope in regard to this vaccine technology.
He dropped out of graduate school in 1988, just short of his PhD, and
went to work at a pharmaceutical company called vehicle.
He now claims that both the Salk institute, and Vehicle profited from his
work, and essentially prevented him from further pursuing his research.
A sulk institute spokesperson said,
that nothing in the institute's records substantiate Malone's allegations.
The biotech company into which Vehicle was merged, known as Brickell did not
respond for a request for comment to say that Malone remains bitter over this
perceived mistreatment doesn't do justice to his sense of agreement.
He calls what happened to him intellectual rape.
Relevant details about his background that I would maybe bring up.
>> Yeah, but look, that's why we say beware of fake populists.
So, Joe Rogan's is all watch out for the big drug companies.
That's why you should think I respected produced by big drug companies.
And this Malone guy is like, beware of big drug companies.
I mean, I loved working at a big drug company, and
I thought they should have given me more credit, and more money, but they didn't.
So now, I'm bitter and 30 years later, I'm doing strike back.
It might endanger your life.
But what do I care about you, man?
Hey, look, I got old grievances.
Here guys, there are real massive issues with drug companies,
including how they are jacking up drug prices.
Our government isn't doing a goddamn thing about it?
Corporate democrats are the worst.
The only people that tie them are our corporate republicans,
they love higher drug prices.
And I mean, you want to talk about assaulting us,
that's what the drug companies are doing OxyContin.
Does it look like we're in favor of like, yeah, gee just trust the drug companies,
no matter what they screwed us on OxyContin 1000 ways and
the government oftentimes helped them do it, right?
But that's why you have to use independent judgment now.
Do the drug companies lie about everything is every drug totally fake?
Well, if that was true I guess I ever met then would be fake, and the antibodies
would be fakes, and all of those things that Rogan pushes would be fake.
So, obviously, it's requires nuance.
Summer.
Sometimes the drug companies do terrible things.
Sometimes they come up with good drugs that are true.
Well, how do we know?
Should you trust us?
Because we're progressive, you should trust Rogan because he has a big podcast.
How do you know?
Talk to the doctors, you know, go and see, hey there's two doctors
online that say no, hey look there's 20 million doctors who say yes,
are all 20 million doctors getting paid?
Please, use your mind.
Use your mind, they're not all lying, you know, who's lying, Joe Rogan,
Joe Rogan as he sits there going, don't trust $20 million.
Alright? All the doctors in the world.
I don't believe it man.
Yo bro bro, If you're tough bro, if you're tough, and in the bedroom man, and
you were making money for me telling people how, yeah.
Immediately mainstream media sucks man, you got be independent, gonna be tough.
And tough guys don't take vaccines man, kick us.
They just, what did Ron Johnson today?
Well, why can't God give us our bodies?
Why do we need science, and drugs?
We don't need them at all?
Yeah, I know.
If you're MMA fighter or you've got Jesus in your camp, you don't need it.
Why don't you just let cancer deal with that?
Hey? Why any of you going to the hospital?
If you don't believe 99.99999% of all the doctors,
why are you going to the hospital?
Sit in your goddamn basements, and
do whatever the hell you want in your basement.
You'll be super free there