LIKE THEY ARE GETTING AWAY WITH
IT.
BILL BARR IS THE AUTHOR OF ONE
DAMN THING AFTER ANOTHER.
AND THE FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL
WHO APPOINTED DURHAM AS SPECIAL
COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE THE
ORIGINS OF THE FBI RUSSIAN
PROBE.
ALL RIGHT, SO ATTORNEY GENERAL,
DO YOU FEEL ANY WAY RESPONSIBLE
FOR HOW THIS DURHAM SITUATION IS
UNFOLDING AND ARE YOU
DISAPPOINTED IN JOHN DURHAM?
>> NO, I’M VERY PROUD OF JOHN
DURHAM.
AND I DO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
HIS APPOINTMENT.
I THINK HE AND HIS TEAM DID AN
EXCEPTIONALLY ABLE JOB SEEKING
OUT VERY IMPORTANT FACTS AND
PRESENTING A COMPELLING CASE TO
THE JURY.
AND THE FACT THAT HE -- WHILE HE
DID NOT SUCCEED IN GETTING A
CONVICTION FROM THE D.C. JURY, I
THINK HE ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING
FAR MORE IMPORTANT, WHICH IS HE
BROUGHT OUT THE TRUTH IN TWO
IMPORTANT AREAS.
FIRST I THINK HE CRYSTALLIZED
THE CENTRAL ROLE PLAYED BY THE
HILLARY CAMPAIGN AND LAUNCHING
AS A DIRTY TRICK THE WHOLE
RUSSIA GATE COLLUSION NARRATIVE
AND FANNING THE FLAMES OF IT.
AND, SECOND, I THINK HE EXPOSED
REALLY DREADFUL BEHAVIOR BY THE
SUPERVISORS AND THE FBI, THE
SENIOR RANKS OF THE FBI, WHO
KNOWINGLY USED THIS INFORMATION
TO START AN INVESTIGATION OF
TRUMP AND THEN DUPED THEIR OWN
AGENTS BY LYING TO THEM AND
REFUSING TO TELL THEM WHAT THE
REAL SOURCE OF THAT INFORMATION
WAS.
AND THAT WAS APPALLING.
I AM A LITTLE TIRED OF VOICES,
YOU KNOW, SAYING, YOU KNOW,
THESE PEOPLE BELONG IN JAIL.
WHY AREN’T THEY IN JAIL?
GET THEM IN JAIL.
WHAT THIS EPISODE SHOULD REMIND
US ABOUT IS THAT WE DON’T JUST
THROW PEOPLE IN JAIL AND THE
ATTORNEY GENERAL DOES NOT HAVE
THE POWER TO THROW PEOPLE IN
JAIL BECAUSE THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL BELIEVES, EVEN WITH HIGH
DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE THAT PEOPLE
HAVE ACTED IMPROPERLY HE HAS TO
PROVE HIS CASE YARD BEFORE A
JURY.
VERY FAVORABLE JURY FOR ANYONE
NAMED CLINTON AND THE CLINTON
CAMPAIGN.
THOSE ARE THE FACTS OF LIFE.
AND TO GET MAD AT LAW
ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE BECAUSE
PROVING THESE CASES BEYOND A
REASONABLE DOUBT IS DIFFICULT
WORK IS CHILDISH.
>> Jesse: DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE
FRUSTRATION, MR. ATTORNEY
GENERAL OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL LIKE
THIS THING WAS A HOAX AND THEY
FEEL VICTIMIZED AND THEY FEEL
LIKE THEY WERE CHEATED OUT OF
ACCOUNTABILITY HERE BY NOT
GETTING A CONVICTION?
BECAUSE YOU KNOW THIS NARRATIVE
IS THAT OH, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE
THE MEDIA DIDN’T COVER THIS
TRIAL AT ALL.
>> NO ONE IS MORE FRUSTRATED
THAN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE
WHO ARE TRYING TO UPHOLD THE LAW
AND TRYING TO UPHOLD ONE
STANDARD OF THE LAW.
THERE ARE NOT.
THERE ARE TWO STANDARDS OF THE
LAW AND WE HAVE HAD TO STRUGGLE
WITH THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE, I
THINK, A VERY GOOD JOB TRYING TO
DEVELOP THIS CASE IN THE FACE OF
VERY STRONG HEADWINDS.
AND PART OF THIS OPERATION IS TO
TRY TO GET THE REAL STORY OUT.
AND I HAVE SAID FROM THE
BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN
GET CONVICTIONS, IF THEY ARE
ACHIEVABLE, THEN JOHN DURHAM
WILL ACHIEVE THEM.
BUT, THE OTHER ASPECT OF THIS IS
TO GET THE STORY OUT.
AND I THINK THAT DANCHENKO
PROSECUTION IS GOING TO FURTHER
AMPLIFY THESE THEMES AND THE
ROLE THAT THE FBI LEADERSHIP
PLAYED IN THIS, WHICH IS
INCREASINGLY LOOKING FISHY AND
EXPLICABLE.
>> Jesse: TELL US HOT DAN CHEN
CO-CHARACTER IS.
I’M NOT SURE THE AUDIENCE KNOWS
FULLY WHAT --
>> -- HE IS THE RUSSIAN WHO WAS
THE CONDUIT FOR ALL THE
INFORMATION THAT MADE IT INTO
THE DOSSIER THEN USED BY THE FBI
TO GET THE FISA WARRANT
PROSECUTE INVESTIGATION AGAINST
TRUMP EVEN AFTER HE BECAME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
AND AT A TIME WHEN THE VERACITY
OF THAT DOES WAY WAS FALLING
APART AND THE FBI WAS AWARE THAT
THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF IT THEY
HAD SUSPECTED OF BEING A RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE AGENT.
THE PROSPECT THAT THIS WAS
RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION FED
THROUGH HILLARY’S CAMPAIGN IS
VERY REAL AND WAS NEVER LOOKED INTO BY MUELLER EVEN THOUGH HE
INTO BY MUELLER EVEN THOUGH HE
HAD ALL THE RELEVANT FACTS I
DON’T BELIEVE IT WAS LOST OR
MISMANAGED BECAUSE HE PAINTED
THE FBI AS BEING DUPED.
HE DIDN’T.
WHAT I THINK HE SKILLFULLY DID
WAS FOCUS ON THE CLEAREST
VIOLATION OF THE LAW THAT DIDN’T
REQUIRE HIM TO PROVE EVEN MUCH
MORE ONEROUS CASE OF THE BAD
FAITH OF THE FBI AT THIS STAGE.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HERCULEAN
CASE AND VERY DIFFICULT, HIGH
DEGREE OF DIFFICULTY COMPARED TO
WHAT HE WAS DOING.
HE TREATED THE FBI AS NEUTRAL
AND LET THE FACT SPEAK FOR
THEMSELVES.
HE DIDN’T SAY THEY WERE DUPED.
YOU KNOW, THE MATERIALITY OF THE
LIE TOLD BY SUSSMANN OR THAT HE
WAS ALLEGED TO HAVE TOLD THE
FBI, IN MY MIND, WAS CLEAR.
>> Jesse: YEAH.
BUT THEY WEREN’T NEUTRAL, WERE
THEY?
THEY WEREN’T, THE FBI?
>> YEAH.
BUT, AND THAT WAS A MATTER FOR,
YOU KNOW, THAT IS A CASE THAT
HAS TO BE BUILT PAINSTAKINGLY
AND TRY TO LEAD OFF BY SAYING
THE FBI OR BAD GUYS IN THIS WAS
ALL -- THIS WAS ALL, YOU KNOW, A
VENDETTA BY THEN WOULD BE A VERY
HARD THING TO PROVE AT THIS
STAGE.
>> Jesse: IT’S HARD TO PROVE
ANYTHING --
>> -- ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF A
D.C. JURY.
>> Jesse: IT’S HARD TO PROVE
ANYTHING IN FRONT OF A D.C.
JURY.
YOU AND I BOTH AGREE ON.
THAT WAS.
>> HERE ARE THE FACTS.
>> Jesse: GO AHEAD.
>> COMPLICATED CASES LIKE THIS
TAKE A LONG TIME TO BUILD.
THEY OCCUR STEP-BY-STEP.
AND IN SECRET.
PEOPLE DON’T LIKE THAT.
BUT IF THEY WANT PEOPLE
PUNISHED, THAT’S WHAT IT TAKES.
IF THEY WANT THE FACTS OF WHAT
HAPPENED, YOU CAN GET IT THAT
MUCH MORE QUICKLY.
YOU CAN GIVE PEOPLE IMMUNITY AND
THEN, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE --
REQUIRE THEM TO PROVIDE
EVIDENCE.
>> YEAH.
WE WANT.
>> IF YOU WANT THE FACTS AND
WANT A REPORT THAT CAN BE DONE
FAIRLY QUICKLY.
IF YOU WANT SCOUTS, THAT TAKES
TIME.
>> Jesse: WE WANT PUNISHMENT AND
A REPORT.
>> YOU WANT BOTH.
>> Jesse: YEAH.
WE WANT BOTH.
MR. ATTORNEY GENERAL THANK YOU