Wooh...All right mate? Have I made it? All right mate?
yes its good
budgetary problems mate
Forget that mate
Alright mate, alright, who's this bloke? what's his name
What's your name mate? Subboor
Saba?
You called me like 5 minutes ago
I called you 5 minutes ago Saba? Let's start this show
All right Saba...so terrorism mate
No, we're here to talk about evolution.
Evolution? That's a change we don't normally do this
we call these guys about terrorism and stuff
so I've got many problems with Izlam as you probably already know yeah?
so terrorism, women subjugation, selling things and not giving discount
in your curry shops. I've got many problems with this Islam yeah?
one of the problems I've got is evolution mate
you guys are stuck in a camel age day's mate
don't even agree with evolution.
How are we gonna move forward from that Saba it's down to you.
Okay we do good agree with evolution
What?
Okay let me let me just explain. Evolution simply means change over time
bacteria evolves all the time that's why we have super viruses
we have the Bulldog and Chihuahua they both come from a common ancestor
so evolution is an observation
nobody disagrees with Muslim, Jew Christian, Atheist... nobody disagrees with that
Darwin's theory of evolution is a scientific theory. Right?
And no scientist in the world even calls it absolutely true
so we Muslims also say it's not absolutly true.
-No scientists? -No no no
you will not find any scientist or philosopher of science.
Philosophers of science are the people who study how scientists come to conclusions
they will call it a scientific theory but no one
will say it is absolutely true because it can't be
let's start on basics you look a bit confused
yeah mate I just come off the bus mate and you're telling me
-2 different types of evolution mate -okay so let me just put it this way
Let's start with science. Science changes would you agree?
Na mate. It's fact mate. Science given us the toaster, its given us the nose hair trimmer
-its giving us all sorts mate -okay
Yeah? it doesn't change. Light bulbs don't change
okay one thing at a time. Those are observations okay?
Science is more than observations, Science is when you take observations
and you make a theory from them okay?
so we find a fossil of a dinosaur that's not gonna change it?
-that's the fossil of a dinosaur -yeah
But when we come up with a theory: How did the dinosaurs become extinct? Where did
they come from in the first place? That is science. Observations don't change but
science does change. Make sense? -Yeah
Science changes all the time
-That's what i meant isnt it? -yeah, yeah thats what you meant
And you know what you're doing
you're very intelligent, very intelligent, it's very good to hear.
So let me just tell you about the different types of evolution.
Do you know there's different models of Evolution?
What??
Have you heard of Darwin's theory of evolution?
yeah, that's the Evolution innit?
That is ONE model of evolution -There's more?
There's more...and I don't mean to belittle the
Darwinian model, because we as Muslims we can say it's a working theory, it's a
working paradigm it's a working model but we don't say it's absolutely true.
And no scientist or no philosopher science in the world will say it's
absolute. Let me just tell you there's five other models
evolution by natural genetic engineering,
neo Lamarckian evolution, Mendelian mutationism
symbiotic evolution and evolution by self-organization
all of these five models were put together by atheist evolutionary biologists
Why? Because they know and understand that Darwin's theory of evolution is not absolutely true
it's just one theory of evolution. Make sense?
yeah
why wasn't that taught to us in schools and stuff?
well the thing is in school they have a very limited amount of time
so they can only teach you a certain amount they can't just like teach you everything
yeah like my teaching used to spend her time smoking outside and crying
-No, no, no, let's not talk about that now coz you know -yeah, we can cut that...
Darwin's theory of evolution and let me just give you an example:
when we talk about Evolution and we talk about different models of Evolution
Have you heard of the Tree of Life? -yeah yeah
the Tree of Life from one cell comes all of life right?
That's the Tree of Life innit.
Yeah the tree of life. Many people think it's a fact
-Yeah, it is isn't it -No it's not
Do you know many evolutionary biologists, they don't believe in the
tree of life anymore, they actually
They're probabily Muslims innit, that's the problem
They're actually atheists.
like for example Ford Doolittle, Carl Woese
-Dr. Dolittle -no no no thats someone else
They believe in the web of life, right. Other biologists, they believe in
the hedge of life, so let me just explain the difference
The Tree of Life is Darwin's idea: that from one cell all of life comes
but there's some problems with that because
when we talk about his idea of a tree we're talking about
something that happened four billion years ago, that's a long time ago
No one was there saying that sitting on a chair watching... it's like what you know
those BBC programmes about racehorses? You know with the commentators?
"oh look there's a horse and there's running and oh my god this one's taking
over that" so no one was sitting there on a chair watching all this Darwinian
evolution happening four billion years ago on a chair, they must get tired
sitting there on the chair four billion years so also 99.999%
of species are missing, are unobserved, we don't have their DNA
Where you getting that stat from, you probabily made that up and found it in the Quran
No that's not in the Qur'an
National Science Foundation: This is a study published in May 2016
OK? Well known. So when you have most of the data missing, and you have something
that happened approximately four billion years ago... that's why scientists come up
with many many different theories of evolution and Darwin's theory is just
one amongst many
so it's not absolutely true but it is a scientific theory
So what's the theory that is going on top form at the moment that Muslims don't have a
problem with? Well actually Muslims have a problem with any of them, we can accept
any of those theories as working models, working theories, working paradigms
So now with evolution you guys don't need to be Muslim any more isnt it, just be scientists
Why? You got evolution now isn't it? You don't need God
No but you can believe in Islam and you can believe in science as well -What?
okay let me just say something
do you know the scientific method was put together by a Muslim?
Na mate, you're pulling my leg mate
no okay let me let me give you an example
-Hassan ibn Haytham -WHO? -Hassan ibn Haytham
He was a Quranic teacher and he was the first scientist
even if you go on to Google -He's pulling my leg mate
-Na, even if you go to Google you put in (the BBC) you put in:
'The first scientist' you get a BBC article about it and even if you look up
historians like David C Lindberg he talks about how Hassan Ibn Haytham was
the first scientist, so all of the science we do in the world today goes
back to this guy who lived approximately a thousand years ago. So Muslims don't have
a problem with science. Make sense?
so that's very good
you got Muslim here, he's probably a terrorist and all that stuff, he's probabily got
links with Isis but you can see that the Muslims in history
I don't have links with Isis.
Sabah, where can people reach you?
I've got a channel called Darwinian delusions
-okay, tell use more -Darwinian delusions it's there to...
many people think Darwin's theory of
evolution is absolutely true yeah and they say "look human beings and
chimpanzees we both come from a common ancestor" and they have loads of these...
"we came from fish" and all the rest right? so on that channel what I do is I take
atheist evolutionary biologists who speak about just how speculative
Darwin's theory of evolution is, just how many assumptions it has and just
There you go
Just how many disputes exist so S.A.D. Speculation, assumptions, disputes
there you go you're gonna put the link in the description
Sabah everyone
Just wave at the camera, while...just keep waving