Alrighty, Katie Gribowski with Colorado
move on is joining me right now.
Katie, thank you so much for joining me
for people who don't know who you are.
If you can briefly explain
who you are and what you do.
The state director for Colorado for the
move on which is the Mutual UFO Network.
So every month we have meetings the 2nd
Saturday and we do FBI training and we
collect data and move on is actually
we took over Project Blue Book in
1969 and kind of took over their job.
So it's really wonderful that you
know it just had this congressional
hearing and they're actually going
to get back in the game.
And when you do approach these reports on
UFO's that come in your group approaches
them with a scientific lens. Correct,
very much so we have moved on
university and we have to go
through the manual is like this
thick so there's a lot of training.
A lot of testing, a lot of mentoring.
And you know 90% of the sightings
that we get into move on.
We are able to explain,
but we're left with about that 10% margin
that you know we're left unexplained.
So this hearing I was able to watch
this hearing very intently and I'm
sure you were watching it too.
What's your overall take with what happened?
In Congress this week,
well, I mean, first of all,
I think the the really good thing that
came out of this hearing was removing
the stigma for our military men and
women and our pilots to feel comfortable
to report these anomalous things.
They're seeing flying in our skies.
These AP's so to me that is a
wonderful thing because in the past
you know people will lose their
jobs if they they reported seeing
something they couldn't explain.
So I think that's first and foremost a
really wonderful thing that came out of it
and they brought up the fact
that they now have like.
Four 400 reports that the catalog
because of that reduced stigma and we
also talked about the standardization
of reporting that they actually were
talking about during that hearing.
If you could talk a little bit about that
right? I mean,
they're all about collecting data and
being really rigorous and looking at.
You know, our radar and different.
Of course, those are behind closed
doors because they don't want to give
away our secret technology that we have,
especially under our oceans and that
to track these fast movers that are seen.
They have have a system now,
so let's say a Navy pilot does encounter
something up there in the skies.
He has a protocol now to follow,
you know, so they they will, you know,
collect the data from the radar and
and other instruments that they have.
This hearing is the first hearing of
its kind and 50 years more than 50
years and what I found remarkable
was that you had the US government
essentially coming forward.
Verbalizing that it doesn't know
what some of these things are,
and I think that's pretty remarkable
given the public's perception
that the government has this all
knowing technology out there.
What's your take on that?
I have to mention a few times that possibly
it could be China or Russia, you know,
and you know the the you know, but it is.
It could be a threat to our
pilots out there and there were.
I think they mentioned 11 near misses,
you know? So it's very important that
they're collecting these reports.
But yeah, I think it's about time
that they're having this hearing
and that they are on board.
I think what's interesting here too is
that you know this was a public hearing.
Where they played some visuals and
it drove me nuts when they couldn't
figure out how to pause on the right.
You know frame to get that that silver
orb that they were talking about.
I was like. Come on guys,
you got to be more prepared.
But anyway going along on that you know
we talked about the 11 year misses.
This is a very public hearing,
but there's also a close component to this.
To this hearing you you can only
imagine what was discussed in there
and I think that's critical.
I mean obviously we have
secrets that we don't.
We want our adversaries to
know what we have out there,
what we can detect coming in,
I mean right so and they're going
to use those same instruments to
track in research and gather data for
these anomalous objects in the sky.
So these are things that they do have
to talk about behind closed doors.
And and I certainly understand that.
With with this this being discussed
more in the mainstream press,
and you know the AP report
that came out last summer,
then you have this.
This very public hearing that
happened this week and the reporting
happening in the New York Times and
you know you have these high profile
politicians talking about how that
the government needs to be more
transparent with with the American
public on your end as a local on the ground.
UFO investigator is your group?
Seeing more reports coming in
because of that lessen stigma?
We certainly are.
Colorado has been very, very busy.
Just we just received 2 new cases today,
a case yesterday and like I said,
a lot of them. We can explain away
Starlink satellites and and whatnot,
but we definitely have seen an uptick,
and especially in Colorado.
I thought it was also very interesting.
In the hearing, you know,
I think it was Gallagher who was
sort of the hero in my opinion of
the of the the hearing he mentioned.
You know the battle of LA.
Have we ever engaged has
have the pilots ever engaged?
UAP, and they said, no.
But you know the battle of LA,
and I'm actually sitting here
in outside of Albuquerque, NM,
in David Marlers archives,
and he has one of the biggest
talk about history and data.
This is a place to get it,
and we were just discussing that.
I mean he has original project
Blue book here. Koufos nicap.
There's so much history,
and the history is being preserved.
And actually all of this.
Then we'll go to the University
of New Mexico.
So this it's important that that history is.
Preserved,
but some of the really huge
encounters and sightings.
They didn't even know about it,
so I'm hoping that this is
just the first step into.
You know our congressmen and women to
learn more about the phenomenon itself.
Yeah.
Where
do you think things should go from here
as a UFO investigator, where would
you like to see things go from here?
Came up in the congressional
hearing that concerned me a
little bit was the word control.
I think it's great that that Congress and
the DoD and other access projects and
and people are are going to take this
topic very seriously and gather data.
But I don't want them to kick
out the general public.
And as a matter of fact,
they kind of mentioned like can
you prosecute or charge somebody
you know just an average citizen
who has a sighting should still
be able to report that.
Writing and that's for MUFON
comes in and like I said,
we take everybody's sightings
very seriously and we investigate
them with protocols and standards.
But everybody should have a part of this,
not just a controlled government agency,
so I'm hoping they don't lose sight
of the public and all of this.
And the in the end here,
what do you think was kind of like?
Do you think there was a big
surprise that came out of this
hearing from from your perspective?
Surprised no, I'm just happy that
you know this is a bipartisan topic.
It should be. I'm happy that this,
you know, again, is one of
hopefully many that will have in
discussions and and now, like I said,
people know how to report and
what the protocol is to do that.
So I'm happy about that.
And Colorado move on is always willing
to accept people's reports, how.
How should someone go about doing that?
1mufon.com and there's, you know,
report a sighting and we also have
the ERT, which is an experience
or group with move on as well.
Great, that's that's all I have.
Katie, thank you so much for your time.
Is there any other lasting thoughts
you'd like to leave with me about this?
Hey yeah, I mean I could go on and on and
on but for this purpose we're all good.
Thank you so much.