>> Yesterday Cenk went on Chris Cuomo's show, Chris Coumo Primetime I believed it's called.
>> Yes it is.
>> And you debated Ana Navarro, which we're gonna get to her perspective on electoral
politics in just a second.
But first just to give you a little tasty taste of the arguments that came from Cenk
in the segment.
Let's take a look at the first video.
>> I don't think that Biden is the better candidate against Trump, because he's doing
the same mistake that Hillary Clinton did.
He's saying Trump's a bad guy, but we all know he's a good.
For the right wing, that's not the bug, that's the feature.
Now you have to attack him on things that worked for him in 2016 being favor of the
average American worker, which he's not.
He's a normal lying, sniffling politician and a progressive can make that case cuz we're
for higher wages, we're getting healthcare for your families.
Where for a subset policy positions that are gonna actually help your family in Michigan,
Pennsylvania and center.
And what is by and large we say, he does save attacks against what Trump said in Charlottesville
outdoors, of cause, we're all against that.
But he doesn't attack him on policy positions and he doesn't attack them where it hurts
on how weak he is.
And I think we need a stronger fighter to bring that message home.
We don't wanna make the same mistake we did in 2016.
>> All right.
>> And he is very similar to Hillary Clinton.
>> So the point that you kept making in this segment was that Biden is similar to Hillary
Clinton.
And I honestly haven't heard anyone in cable news make that point and it's an important
point to make, because I see many similarities especially when it comes to Biden hiding because
he has the lead.
When it comes to some of the questionable conservative components of his record, especially
when it comes to the Hyde Amendment and then the flip-flop on the Hyde Amendment.
I just see the Democratic party and I'm talking about the party as the establishment kind
of pushing forward candidate, which would lead to very similar results, in my opinion
that we saw back in 2016.
>> I think that Biden might have misunderstood the Hyde Amendment that he thought it was
like, hide and seek.
So he's still hiding.
So look, the reason they don't want him out there is because he keeps saying the things
that he believes, they're not stumbles.
They're not for pause.
He really is a conservative Democrat, who believed in the Hyde Amendment and that's
why he not challenging Trump on policy.
Cuz there is a lot on that policy they actually agree on, not on the social issues.
We're completely fair on that, but although Hyde Amendment is a social issue.
And of course Trump was further than Biden, again clear on it, but on economic issues
there's not huge differences between the corporate Republicans and the corporate Democrats.
In fact, that's what Biden is always bragging about.
I'm bipartisan, I love to work with Republicans.
Well, we don't like the results of you working with Republicans.
It's on Republican turf, which is what we're gonna get to next.
But Anna, that's why I wanna give, continue to give Chris Cuomo a lot of credit because
he's having different voices on, right?
>> Definitely.
>> And you know why nobody's making the case that Biden's exactly like Hillary Clinton,
both in his policies and not wanting to address the issues?
Because they're all in favor of Biden.
Right?
Almost all the pundits and almost all the anchors certainly don't believe in Bernie
Sanders.
Everything is framed against him.
And generally believe in the establishment candidates like Joe Biden.
So its an inconvenient fact for them that the guy that they think is more likable and
more electable is just like the person who was less electable.
So much so that she lost to Donald Trump.
>> So I wanna hear a little more about why it's not a good strategy to work with Republicans,
the bipartisan argument that we keep hearing from Biden, why is that a bad idea?
Well, Cenk answers that question in this next clip.
>> All right, Bernie Sanders is obviously a progressive, but to sell the American people
that you get things done, somebody's gonna convince them that we can do better than the
polarization.
Bernie Sanders is at the bottom of the list of working with the other side.
Joe Biden's at the top in the field.
>> Yeah.
So no, Chris you're talking about a different time.
So right now, if you wanna work with the Republicans, you gotta work with Donald Trump.
You got no interest in that, no Democrat has any interest in that.
You gotta work with Mitch McConnell, the heart of darkness.
He is more corrupt than Donald Trump is.
When Joe Biden talks about how Dick Cheney was a great Vice President and left him more
power and how he liked working with Strom Thurmond.
I don't want any piece of that.
I don't want to work with Republicans.
I want to defeat them and that is the essence of the problem with the Democratic party.
They are constantly reaching out to work with the Republicans on their turf.
So if they wanna do a deal where they do for example, criminal justice reform, fine, great,
I'll take it, I got no problem with that bipartisanship.
But if they wanna do more tax cuts for the rich, I do not want a corporate Democrat who's
going to help them do that cuz it's bad on policy, but it's also bad on politics.
The country is incredibly progressive, 76% of the country says raise taxes on the rich,
don't lower them.
So we should pick someone that three quarters of the country agrees with.
>> Okay, so my favorite line and it's my favorite because I feel like I say it on the show all
the time is when you said, when you're talking about bipartisanship you're talking about
a different time.
We're living in a different time, we're not living in the 1990s.
We're not living in the 1980s, we're living in a different time.
This is not like a great marriage, right, where yeah you need to make some negotiations,
some compromise and you come to a good solution together.
No, we're in a terrible terrible marriage, right?
We're on the verge of divorce and you have Biden talking about, no, I'm gonna give you
everything, you can cheat on me, go ahead, like, do whatever you want.
Like, maybe that's a crazy analogy, but- >> No, no, it's a perfectly good analogy.
Because in a marriage, you're forced to compromise.
>> Right.
>> And so, if you need to pass budget bills, yes, even today, you still have to find some
way of compromising and passing the budget.
But overall we're at a stalemate on any new policies.
>> Yes.
>> Because the republicans will not agree to any policy that is even 1% progressive.
So in order to get any agreement, you have to go to their side, no deal.
And so, when do you ever see on television a Democrat coming out strong and saying, no,
I don't want bipartisanship.
No, I don't wanna do a deal with Mitch McConnell.
I wanna kick his ass.
>> Yes, I mean, you don't see that, you don't see that.
And I think that the democratic party needs a fighter who's gonna push for that.
But more importantly, look, Brett Erlich made a great point today during our production
meeting.
He was like, look, if Biden keeps pushing this notion of bipartisanship, someone needs
to remind him about what happened to Merrick Garland.
>> Yeah.
>> What happened to him, right?
He's a Supreme Court nominee.
And because of what McConnell did, he never even got an opportunity like he didn't even
get a hearing.
>> Yeah.
And remember that was after Obama famously said during the 2012 election, that if he
wins a second term, that the fever would break for the Republicans and they would cooperate
with him.
Instead, they did the exact opposite.
They doubled down on their obstruction and broke every record there was an obstruction.
So I can't believe Biden hasn't learned that lesson, because he's just set in his ways.
His idea is, I do what Republicans tell me and then I congratulate myself, and so does
the rest of the media.
So again, one more time, that's why I think CNN is doing something really interesting
here by letting progressives on and Cuomo's leading the way.
So he's letting on people who are saying things that no one else on television is saying.
>> Look, it was a fascinating exchange and we're going to get to Anna Navarro in just
a second.
But right before your segment I was listening live, cuz I was driving home.
And Cuomo had Bill Maher on.
Now, there are some serious that I disagree with Maher on, right?
So he is a centrist and he believes that the majority of Democrats are centrists.
But it was frustrating to hear that interview and not hear someone counter the points that
he was making.
So it was good to see you and Ana Navarro exchange some ideas, right?
The dial of ideas was turned to extra hot.
>> And you're about to see that in this next clip.
Here's Ana Navarro responding to you.
>> If you want a progressive agenda, rReally?
Who you should aiming your attacks at is not Joe Biden, it's Elizabeth Warren.
The reason Joe Biden is in the front right now is because Elizabeth Warren and Bernie
Sanders are dividing that progressive vote amongst themselves.
And this is very good for Biden, because we all learned from 2016 that Bernie Sanders
is a stubborn old goat who's going to stay there until the bitter end no matter what,
even when it looks like he has no chance of winning.
And so, as long as Sanders and Warren are dividing the progressive vote, Joe Biden has
got a niche all to himself.
Listen, your problem is not Joe Biden.
The people who support Joe Biden, their vote is not gonna go to Bernie Sanders.
Their vote is gonna go to Pete Buttigieg or their vote is gonna go to Kamala Harris.
For them, probably Bernie Sanders is not their second option.
>> So you didn't get an opportunity to respond to her because they ended the segment following
her comments, but I wanna give you an opportunity to respond now.
>> Yeah, and by the way, you can watch the full segment so you can see all of Anna's
comments.
I wish CNN would put it up and we could promote it.
But so we put it up on TYT.COM, so under special coverage so you can watch the whole thing.
But now finally I get to respond to Anna cuz we ran out of time.
So look, when you call Bernie Sanders a stubborn old goat, half of that is completely wrong
and the other half of that is actually right, and part of the reason we like him.
So let me explain.
When she said he didn't get out the race, when it was already over, I don't agree with
that at all.
It wasn't over until California and then after California he got out of the race, and some
of his supporters were upset.
But at that point it was over, there was nothing to get upset at.
And then he went and turned around, and I think he did 53 rallies for Hillary Clinton.
So he helped in every imaginable way.
In some of his supporters were upset about that.
No, no, no, you got to fight against Donald Trump.
He was right about that.
He was right about how far to go.
And then to turn around and try to make sure that Donald Trump lost.
So that is revisionist history what Ana Navarro saying there.
It's just not true.
On the other hand, when you say he's stubborn overall.
Yeah, that's true but that's a good thing.
Now, why is it a good thing?
Because he says these are my principles and I don't care how many people in Washington
and how many people inside the club, and how many lobbyist and consultants tell me I'm
wrong, I'm not gonna change.
I'm for universal healthcare coverage, I was for that 40 years ago, 30 years ago, 20 years
ago, 10 years ago, and I'm for it now.
I'm for higher wages, I'm for green new deal, etc.
For fixing the environment, for all these issues that he's been fighting on.
If he wasn't so stubborn, then they would have already moved him.
They would have already made him a centrist.
They will say, come on, you're disrespecting your colleagues, you're the only one voting
for this progressive policy ideas, why don't you just be a team player.
Well, him being a stubborn old goat is what got him here.
>> Yes.
>> And why people like him in the first place.
Look, I haven't picked a candidate yet, but if you were going to vote based on that, you'd
vote for the goat.
Okay?
>> For sure.
I mean, look, his consistency is pretty incredible, because he has been on the record fighting
for or defending policies, before they were even considered popular, trendy or reasonable,
right?
So we gave you the example of what he had said in a local paper back in 1972 prior to
Roe V Wade.
He was pushing for reproductive rights for women saying that the government should have
absolutely no say over what a woman does with her body.
That was not a popular position back in 1972.
But he had that position and he aggressively shared that message and fought for it, and
the same goes for the Violence Against Women Act.
Even though he somehow still gets a bad wrap from so called, women, who I actually think
they're political operatives who are just trying to smear him.
And there's- >> But they're in fact women, to be fair.
>> Sometimes they are women, yeah, definitely.
>> You said so called women, but-
>> I know, I know, I shouldn't have said it that way.
>> So-called feminists.
>> So-called feminists is a better way to put it.
But what I'm trying to say is, they keep trying to smear him as if he's somehow against people
of color or he's against women, even though he's been fighting for civil rights.
I mean, he's been fighting for reproductive rights.
He's been fighting more importantly for economic justice, which impacts every single group
in America.
And so that consistency is the stubborn part of him and I love it.
>> Yeah, so last couple of things, so I wanna address her saying that Bernie Sanders' supporters
should be attacking Elizabeth Warren.
I don't agree with that.
But first of all, on the stubbornness part.
Look, he was for marriage equality, for gay Americans decades before Hillary Clinton,
Barack Obama, Joe Biden.
They make such a big deal out of Joe Biden, when he was Vice President, saying, hey, I
think we should go towards marriage equality.
Bernie Sanders had said that what, 20-30 years ago?
>> Yes.
>> So if you're going to Biden, and everybody was like Biden, Biden I can't believe in the
year 2015 he's for marriage equality.
Woopty fricking doo, look at the actual record.
And then Bernie Sanders on civil rights are you kidding me?
He chained himself to an African American woman.
He led sit in in University of Chicago.
They went and did task forces to expose racial discrimination and housing.
He did any of that before he was a politician, okay?
So that people's records are clear and also by the way goat stands for greatest of all
time.
So they should be careful who they're calling a goat.
So now onto Warren, look, she and Navarro again.
She's overall a smart person interesting person debate with here.
She's a conservative.
She's turned on Trump, but she is conservative.
So of course she wants the Democrats to pick the single most conservative candidate they
could possibly have, she's a Republican, right?
So of course, she's not gonna be favored over progressives.
She's gonna say pick someone closer to Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.
Well, we don't want that, we're progressives.
So she's actually wrong.
If you look at the polling and her point is understandable and seemingly logical.
But if you look at the polling, a lot of Biden supporters do go to Bernie Sanders.
>> Yeah, so let me give you some interesting findings.
So you had mentioned that poll earlier, I did a little bit of research and I wanna kind
of show you how.
While very politically aware people think everything needs to be consistent, in reality
the majority of Americans are a hodgepodge of political ideologies.
They support a hodgepodge of political policies, and so this kind of perfectly illustrates
what I'm talking about.
According to a U Gov poll that was recently done, 56% of voters considering Elizabeth
Warren are also thinking about supporting another leading female candidate, California
Senator Kamala Harris.
About half are also considering Biden or Sanders, or both.
Now look, we understand the nuances, the differences between those candidates.
To us, the differences are pretty start.
But when you look at this poll you'll notice that, hey, just because someone might be voting
for a progressive doesn't mean that they wouldn't end up voting for an establishment Democrat
or vice versa.
Should the person they initially supported not get the Democratic nomination.
>> The poll that I referred to is a couple of months old, but it clearly shows that a
lot of Biden support would go to Bernie Sanders.
And so, you might think that that's strange but voters oftentimes are strange, and in
a lot of it is name recognition as well, keeping it real.
But look, this is the first time we have a couple of progressives in the race.
That's a wonderful thing, not a bad thing.
Yes, if you're just on Bernie Sander's team, you would say, well, it's unfortunate that
Elizabeth Warren is taking a lot of our points away from us.
But if you are a progressive and you are on that team, you love that they're two strong
progressives in the race.
Let us sort our selves out and then at some point when you go to vote, you're gonna have
a decision to make.
And you're gonna look at their policies.
And you also should look at who's gonna fight the hardest to make sure those policies actually
get enacted.
And then, let the dust settle where it may.