AWKWARDLY AND
NERVOUSLY
SCRATCHED HIS HEAD AND HIS BEARD
AND PUT HIS HEAD DOWN AND DID
NOT LOOK AT THE JURY.
WE ASKED HER SELVES, WHAT
HAPPENS NEXT AND WHAT HAPPENS
NEXT IS HE MAY BE HEADED OUT TO
SUPER MARKS -- SUPERMAX IN
COLORADO.
WE HAVE THE FORMER WARDEN.
TELL US WHAT LIFE IS GOING TO
BE
LIKE FOR HIM IF HE DOES HAVE
THEIR.
-- HEAD THERE.
GUEST: HE
WOULD BE HEADED TO THE
SUPERMAX WHETHER HE GOT LIFE
.
THERE ARE
SEVERAL PRISONS THERE
AND LIFE WOULD BE ROUGH, EVEN
JUST PULLING UP TO THE FRONT
DOOR, THERE IS SIX GUN TOWERS AT
THE SUPERMAX, SIX GUN TOWERS
FROM THE OTHER FACILITY.
HE WILL BE WATCHED FROM
THE BUS
OR PLANE OR HOWEVER THE
TRANSPORT OCCURS.
ONCE YOU ARE INSIDE, IT IS CLEAN
AND AN IMPRESSIVE LOOKING
BUILDING.
BEYOND
THE -- IT IS VERY QUIET
PLACE.
HE IS -- HE WILL BE IN A CELL
THAT IS SEVEN BY 12 FEET AND BE
IN THEIR 23 HOURS A DAY AND HAVE
A CEMENT AND STEE
L TYPE OF
FURNITURE ARRANGEMENT.
HAVING A SHOWER THAT IS INSIDE
THE CELL, I ASSUMED
IF THEY ARE
GOING TO PUT HIM IN A CERTAIN
PLACE BUT IT IS ALSO MEANT, IT
IS
CONTROLLED BY ELECTRONIC
GATES, HUNDREDS OF CAMERAS,
STAFF,
AND LIMITED ACCESSIBILITY
TO OTHER INMATES.
J.C.:
THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION.
YOU SAY LIMITED ACCEPTABILITY.
WHAT WILL BE HIS CONTACT WITH
OTHER INMATES IF ANY?
GUEST: AGAIN, THERE WILL BE NO
PHYSICAL CONDUCT -- CONTACT.
GOING DOWN THE HIGHWAY --
HALLWAY, HE WILL BE ESCORTED IN
LEG IRONS AND BELLY CHAINS WHICH
IS THE ONLY WAY HE WILL BE
ESCORTED AT THE SUPERMAX.
THERE IS NO
INTERACTION, IT IS A
23 HOUR A DAY LOCKDOWN AND IN
MOST CASES, THAT IS WHAT THEY
HAVE FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THEY
ARE THERE.
ANCHOR: WHAT PRIVILEGES WILL HE
HAVE IN HIS CELL?
23 HOURS OF SOME --
ISOLATION IS
MIND BLOWING.
YOU MUST WATCH HOW THIS IMPACTS
SOME OF THE PRISONERS, WHAT
EMOTIONAL STATES TO THE GET
INTO?
ROBERT: WHAT IS UNIQUE IN THIS
CASE, HE IS NOT COMING FROM THE
STREET.
HE IS NOT A HARDENED CRIMINAL
FROM THE STREET.
HE IS NOT TRANSFERRING FROM
A
PENITENTIARY WHERE HE ESCAPED OR
KILLED AN OFFICER AND HE IS NOT
WELL TRAINED.
HE DOES NOT EVEN FIT IN BEFORE
HE WALKS IN THE DOOR.
THAT THE ACCOMMODATIONS
, IF YOU
WILL, MOST LIKELY HE WILL HAVE A
SMALL BLACK AND WHITE TV SET.
-- THAT HE WILL BE ABLE TO
WATCH.
HE WILL HAVE A SMALL DESK IF HE
WANTS TO WRITE SOMETHING AND
ACCESS TO BOOKS AND MAGAZINES.
VERY START.
23 HOURS A DAY HE WOULD BE IN
LOCKDOWN AND ONE HOUR HE IS NOT
IN THERE, HE WOULD BE ESCORTED
TO A CAGED AREA WHERE HE CAN
WALK AROUND IN CIRCLES FOR
AN
HOUR.
ANCHOR: AND THAT IS IT.
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU HAVE
WATCHED INMATES LIVE LIKE THIS,
DO YOU SEE ANY CHANGE IN THEIR
BEHAVIOR?
ROBERT: IT DEPENDS ON THE
INMATE.
IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN PRISON FOR
20 YEARS AND YOU HAVE KILLED AN
OFFICER, YOU ARE HARDENED
ALREADY.
YOU HAVE FIGURED OUT THE
INCARCERATION, THE IMPACT IT
WILL HAVE AND IN THIS CASE YOU
HAVE A 21-YEAR-OLD COMING INTO A
FACILITY THAT IS DESIGNED FOR
THE WORST OF THE WORSE.
WE
HAVE 18 INMATES OUT OF A
FEDERAL PRISON SYSTEM OF
200-9000.
WE DO SELECTIVELY PLACE PEOPLE
THERE.
HE DOES NOT FIT INTO ANY OF THE
CATEGORIES.
HE IS A DOMESTIC TERRORIST.
HOWEVER, WE LOOK AT THE OTHERS
THAT ARE THERE.
HE WILL STAND OUT.
ANCHOR:
HE WILL STAND OUT YET.
HE IS UNDOUBTEDLY HEADED IN THAT
DIRECTION.
WHAT CAN YOU IMAGINE 23 HOURS
WILL DO TO AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS
21 YEARS OLD AND NOT A HARDENED
CRIMINAL, HAS NEVER DONE JAIL
TIME, IS NOT A KID OF THE
STREETS.
BUT WAS IN COLLEGE WHEN ALL THIS
HAPPENED.
HOW WOULD YOU FORESEE A
21-YEAR-OLD ADAPTING TO THIS
LIFE?
ROBERT: THIS IS
-- I HAVE BEEN
DOING THIS FOR 40 YEARS.
IT WILL IMPACT HIM.
THE HARD PART FOR STAFF
INITIALLY WILL BE TO WATCH HIM
DURING THE FIRST COUPLE HOURS OR
FIRST COUPLE DAYS.
THAT IS WHEN THOUGHTS OF
SUICIDE
AGAIN QUICKLY.
VERSUS AT THE SUPER
MAX.
WHEN YOU PULL UP TO A PLACE THAT
IS 12 GUN TOWERS, MULTIPLE
PATROLS DRIVING AROUND WITH --
IT IS HEAVILY ARMED AND IT
IS A
BEAUTIFUL SETTING.
IT IS THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS.
BUT KNOWING THAT YOU ARE GOING
INTO THIS BUILDING, THE SOONER
HE GOES IN THERE AND HE APPEALS
WHICH HE PROBABLY WILL,
EVENTUALLY, THE ONLY TIME HE
WILL SEE DAYLIGHT AS FAR AS THE
ROCKY MOUNTAINS AND BEAUTIFUL
SUNSHINE IS WHAT HE IS
TRANSPORTED FOR THE PURPOSE OF