your b 37 cents to an interview with the Anderson Cooper
she is going to keep her identity secret and given what summer thing about her
now that's probably
a wise thing now I actually don't blame her I just find all this to be very
instructive
a and you begin to get a sense
over the perspective some people in this country certainly so the people that
were on the jury
as she lets us know that 3 the jurors from there were six they're all women
five or more white one has not been identified but a minority of some sort
we believe probably Hispanic
but not black so she says three other jurors immediately thought it should be
an acquittal
to him thought it should be manslaughter on the six-person
thought he should be a murder charge in the beginning they all eventually came
to the conclusion that
it was not guilty %uh that's where they began and she was in the group with
three
who thought not guilty right from the beginning and a
you might be in understand why when you hear her perspective
now first she already told george Zimmerman's attorney
is a when he asked her to describe Trayvon Martin
this call he was a boy of color
nasa fascinating way putting in II
look I don't want her everybody jump to assumptions again sir either
right now their parts in this country well and more importantly is probably
generations this country
they used to use color people as a where referring to african-americans
is other common now it doesn't appear to be very old but OK
its is one data point right um when asked about a racial John tell
I she definitely did not get a favorable view of her testimony at least
and when asked about the line where Trayvon Martin allegedly is
called Zimmerman a cracker on the phone which by the way is a room would have
heard it would have led
would not have let the government Asian um and it is alleged
anyway she thought well that's how they speak I think that's how they live
there's a lotta basin there's some people are uncomfortable with that I'll
when asked about same for she said well you know I understand there were some
rights there because zimmerman was not arrested there were no rights in Sanford
Florida
apparently that was whatever substance she says she doesn't read the papers at
all
she use it %uh for bird droppings
I believe he has some pets and she uses it
in some way underneath them in her parents cage apparently
okay um and when talking about this
what happened never you know the killing of Trayvon Martin she called a quote an
unfortunate incident
okay lessons on a play but that you know again all the singing by themselves
you know you could have different opinions on it
I'm not sure they're damming but let's listen to her let's hear out and get a
sense of our perspective
here's a portion of the inner it or sarin somebody you would like to have a
neighborhood watch in your community
if he didn't go too far I mean you can always go too far
he just didn't stop at the limitations that he should have stopped at
so are
indeed is that a yes sir that you if he didn't go too far you see somebody pro
anything to going too far
mazes and you will come before eight I think he was frustrated with the whole
situation the neighborhood
with the break-ins and the robberies an actually arrested
somebody not that long ago um
I
I mean I would feel comfortable having George but I think he's Florida
a good lesson she would feel comfortable having him now
because you think he's learned a lesson from all this exactly
I think he just didn't know when to stop he was frustrated
and things just got out of hand yessir she lost
%uh for small I does
appears to be a minor for black see things a major point she constantly
refers is their main
as George sure first rave on as
know that boy collar or that war et cetera
the no look again I don't know overread into it
and I'm not see she's races at all a.k.a and I don't want people to jump to those
conclusions we have a conversation about that later
up but I think was much more interesting is our perspective
she seems to identify was a man at every turn toward Georgina and just he was an
enthusiastic ages with a little too far
a little too far was when he shot the kid in the chest and killed them it's
not a little too for the salat 240 Justin knows limitations with
lesser rate he's learned his lesson you see the perspective there is the most
important part
it's not hate what a tragedy for the seventy or kid who shot
and for the family et cetera and got it is
but is that guy responsible for tonight see if he's really
guilty beyond a reasonable doubt for this tragic
killing a this kid when done anything wrong right
he was just walking home to his father's place in a community
he'll belonged in the lead spent years in visiting his father right
the perspective is well george I guess he went a little too far but come on I
really gonna punish him
haven't we all gone too far if you look at it from his perspective
anything like oh god I really with golly gee George
but it's not just george there's a dead kid on the ground how about that did kid
so and then the topping on that of course is when she says
well I mean he's learned his lesson you know what I don't think he'll kill any
more black kids but anyway
yes sure i'd have him as my neighborhood watchman I mean if it was such you
identified with that kid or that family
you wouldn't big begin to contemplate having him as neighborhood watchman have
anyone remember he killed someone
who lived it in the neighborhood that's a pretty bad Watchmen
but she sing in Cali cheat George it just like they did against
you overstepped a little bit so
now let's hear more from Herne and see we get more perspective do you think
he's guilty of something
i think is guilty I love
not using good judgment
when he was in the car he called 911 he shouldn't have gotten at that car
but then i won operator also when he was talking to him
kinda if and to mind I don't know if it's their policy just tell them what to
do not to get out the car to stay in the car
but I think he shoulda said stay in your car
not can you see where he's gone she later went on to say that I think both
were responsible for the situation
this is what's so frustrating to me
one guy doesn't have the gun he got ice-t's gonna go back home and watch the
basketball game with his dad
he he's not responsible for certain that fight if somebody stocks you
and look again don't get into the details I understand if you see nobody
knows the details
of who got the upper hand in that fight when there was a fight understand that
but to see their equally responsible but whatever was just minding his business
the other was stalking the kid with a gun
and one of them is dead and the other was perfectly love does not boast
equally responsible what terrible way to blame the victim
this is why the jurors mind you in the later she says um
that she felt sorry for them and let you know the coaches said
look I feel sorry for both of them I feel sorry for trade one that's good
issues run a mystery man they're good
great in a situation that he wasn't and
I feel sorry for george because the situation he got himself it
maybe a I don't know maybe on the bad guy
I I feel terrible about the situation but I don't really feel sorry for george
Zimmerman
he didn't have to do any of that he didn't have to ignore the 9/11
and i won this pack you said do not follow him
I mean look she's given him every break there is he think this pastor clearly
says the iPhone
but ass hey where'd he go oh well that's a good enough excuse
reserve meant to ignore the order of not following him and follow him
remember the whole time he's got the gun he's got skills pay
and she thinks like well I feel sorry that he got into that situation
I on angry that he got himself into that situation
it and I guess you know and it's not like I i know i cant understands our
mail I get it he was
hugh in his mind you want to be the hero and he wanted to protect the community I
get that
and I get to use overzealous in any his mind he was gonna be the hero
but does that mean I feel sorry for me know he calls the situation
and remember he's not the one who's dead
now finally what's really interesting is
though willful blindness the issue race
as if it had absolutely nothing to do that that with this
remember these are the people who decided whether they're Zimmerman was
guilty or not guilty listen to what he says about the jury's deliberations
on race do you feel the Georgia in racially profiled trade on Mar
do you think race played a role in his decision
his view it a strain on our new suspicious I don't think he did I think
just circumstances
cause George to think that he might be
a robber are trying to do something bad in the neighborhood
because of all the had gone on previously their word there were
I'm unbelievable a number of robberies in the neighborhood
see don't believe race played a role in this can I don't think it does
needed I think if if if there was another
percent Spanish white Asian
if they came in the same situation they were trained on was I think George what
I reacted the exact same way
why do you think Georgia man found true I'm on suspicious than
because he was cutting through the back it was raining
um he said he was looking in houses
as he was walking down the road um kinda just not
having a purpose to where he was going he was stopping and starting
but you I mean that's george's rendition ovett
um but I think the situation word tree-lined got into
um him being late at night dark at night
raining anybody would think anybody walking down the road stopping and
turning and looking
if that's exactly what happened um is suspicious
and Georgian said that he didn't recognize who he was
full it was that a common belief on the jury that race was not
at that race did not play a role in this I think all of us
thought race did not play a role so nobody fell race I don't think so
managers I can't speak for them you got it was reported that
discussion around no we never had that discussion
it didn't come up with dad the question i've did george Zimmerman profiled
troubled mind because you is african-american
no I I think you just profile name because he was the neighborhood watch
any profiled anybody that came in acting strange
I think it was just circumstances happened that he sought rave on at that
exact time day he thought he was suspicious
to me the key there is acting strange
okay not because you really believe that he was acting strange
if use walking through the rain that was one other thing she said
I think twice and in this I've heard Zimmerman defenders say that over and
over he was walking in the rain
well if you go out to get something in the rain you didn't cause the rain
walking in the rain is suspicious by itself
and you know the and again Zimmerman's brother mention this she mentions that
he was walking slowly
well if he was running I guarantee you I found a suspicious
is there amid gate that you need to walk so that you're not overly suspicious for
being too slow or too fast
he was looking at some houses they claim zimmerman claims she knowledge is
affirming clips right
who who knows if that's true and by the way when I look when I walk I look at
houses I'm not go that's an interesting how's
that's a beautiful house it does that make me automatically suspicious my
guess is if they saw me
they would necessarily think I was suspicious it might depend on the
circumstances
and then she said he would sometimes stop to look around
yes because he had a weirdo stalking him
if you saw this guy constantly following you lurking behind you
my guess is you also stop to look behind you to see what was going on
so why was tree juan Martin strange to
all these people whether was yours a run on that night or whether it's your b 37
who just it seems to accept very readily Zimmerman's account ovett
the real reason they think he's quarter go straight even though his father lives
in the neighborhood
is because very obviously
let's put it this way at least you have to consider his rates
do you really believe in she sees says they're all Asian
white it doesn't matter really services an Asian kid
walking around in the rain in things I gotta go far this guy he's the burglar
and Kirby thirty-somethings absolutely okay
go hunting down with the got I don't believe them I don't believe them
I think they're being willfully blind I you doesn't necessarily mean the racist
but he comes they come at it from a certain perspective is there an issue
prejudice
well you automatically think well that black guy well I think he's suspicious
first even though he's doing things that are perfectly normal
well thats obviously problematic if the jury
is not a jury of Tremont Spears and it's only
a jury over Zimmerman Spears and prosecutorial
negligence here for not having any black people on the jury
because it lease in that jury room you need somebody to step is
up and say oh I had a different perspective growing up
let me tell you my perspective we can talk about it and maybe we can come to
some sort of joint understanding
and said it appears there's a lot of people not rumor all UAE iraqi
kick it was strange amuse were nobody's rating slow it cetera
well poor George how could he have known that like it was in a thug or a criminal
that I don't know if I'm reading too much into but I seemed loud and clear to
me
and i actually blame myself a little bit here for my naivete
because I ice
I'm surprised by her reaction and and her perspective
to say that you know the boy if color you know who's acting strange
I would have thought that they would could have seen a master's own son
and that's why people said in the beginning it so it's good to see swim in
a mine
he then on this so you'll be by squeezing the same as a as their own son
turns out they didn't seem as their own son they saw him as
a black kid not their kid
and I think that we as a country have to talk about this
openly is that what they did apparently in that room which is the
ignore the issue completely not even discuss it when it was
obviously at the very least edge I need issue
in this case alright we cannot do that but we can now have a conversation is a
hey wait a minute what our assumptions about each other
let's talk this through because obviously they're not necessarily
correct
you think that's obvious cuz turnout Raymon had skills that ice-t_
and lived in the neighborhood but to this day there are people who are
Zimmerman
fans and supporters who say no no trade on
was a thug and he would've
at some point gotten a gun or dealt drugs
again based on what assumptions
because presumably he's black it's hard to talk to those guys
but we gotta start talking to each other otherwise
those assumptions you to be set in concrete and we're never going to get
beyond