From the very moment that it was
clear earlier this week that
the democrats weren't going to have
a great election night.
The mainstream media has been
trying to blame the democrats,
saying that it's sorry,
the progressives specifically
saying that it was their fault.
That the bipartisan bill hadn't
passed and that was what screwed
over so called moderates in their
elections.
Well now, Pamela J Paul,
head of the congressional
progressive Caucus is going to be
asked about whether it's worth it
to now pass it.
Even though now the buck has
changed where that presumably would
be the thing that caused
the democrats to lose next year
in the midterms.
I'll read the quote section.
What's the alternative to
do nothing.
I mean, that's not going to get us
anywhere.
Part of what we have to do is
really understand the economic
frustration that people have
right now.
And I think
that is really important for us.
So I find that to be interesting
in light of the conversation,
I know you've been talking a lot
about Pamela J Paul.
Her role as head of the
congressional progressive caucus.
And the sometimes indications that
she gives that the two tracks
the idea that we're going to do
both bills at the same time.
That wavering commitment to that
now we have the framing of actually
doing something as potentially
being bad news for next year.
So what do you think about what she
had to say?
>> Yeah, so guys,
there's a lot of drama happening
right now in the house and
they're about to make the deal with
progressives even worse.
Because they think progressives
are pushovers.
We can do anything we want to
them and they'll fold.
And I have honestly put a lot
of that blame on leadership of the
progressive caucus, which happens
to be representative giant ball.
So it doesn't give me joy to do
that because I think she's
a good person and
I think she's a real progressive.
But her negotiation at this point
has been, in my opinion, abysmal.
And that's why they're getting
steamrolled.
Now, her answer in
this case is perfectly good.
She says, well,
if you're giving me this choice of
we lose political elections, but
we pass policy that helps voters.
Yeah, I'll go with the voters.
That's a principled excellent
answer.
So credit to die upon that, by the
way, we have more about her on a
different issue later in the show.
Where she did great in standing up
to republicans.
So where credit is due,
including in this answer.
Now, the real
issue is the question,
why would you lose the election?
For delivering for voters?
But in Washington reporters
are conditioned to assume and
projected assumption onto multi
politicians and the the audience.
That if you ever deliver for
the voters, you give them anything
that they actually like.
They'll hate you and
you'll obviously lose the election.
My God, if you gave them paid
family leave.
And they didn't have to be driven
back into the minds the day after
they delivered.
Well, they would hate you for
letting you them having 4 or
12 weeks of paid leave?
They would hate you for
lowering drug prices.
What kind of an insane framing is
that for the question?
But guys, that's
how they brainwash you.
The reason they asked that
question that way, is that so
it gets stuck in your head.
I guess if the democrats passed
this bill,
they're going to lose the election.
I guess the bill must be really
unpopular when in reality
provisions in that bill have
90% popularity.
But look, the press doesn't do it
in an evil way.
They're generally sad tools
of corporate America.
So they're hired as news actors
didn't know anything
about the news.
So their editor tells him, hey,
Moran, go out there and
talk about how bill.
That this bill is terrible,
terrible and
it could really hurt the democrats.
Now, I would have gone further than
representative.
I mean, it's not a critique.
Her answer is perfectly fine.
I'm just telling you what I would
have done is I would have said the
premise of your question is insane.
When we pass a really popular bill,
we are more likely to win.
Not less likely to win.
I don't know why you would ask such
a weird, weird question, but
I'm happy to give you another shot.
Go ahead. Try me try another shot.
And the real question you should
be asking people is you should
be asking mansions, cinema and
the conservative democrats.
Well, wouldn't you be more likely
to lose an election
if you spike provisions that have
a 90% popularity, 75% popularity.
Which is exactly what mentioned
a cinema are doing.
But yet somehow for
reporters in Washington, they
think, figuring out what's actually
popular is not part of my job.
I'm not supposed to do the news.
I'm not supposed to know
what's real.
I'm just supposed to propaganda.
So corporations and democratic
leadership and republican
leadership could be super happy.
And we'll have a bipartisan
agreement in Washington to rob
all of you.
And the super sad part is guys,
it's not a conspiracy.
They don't know it, they're
unwitting tools of a corporate
machine and that's just pathetic.
>> I think that it can be stated
enough how the popularity of
these policies is there.
Honestly, that should really be
the end of the conversation.
And this framing as you're saying,
is so disingenuous.
And it's just so interesting
the nature of these conversations
is pushing a bipartisan agenda,
like at this point.
You're not going to get a ton of if
any republican support and
now you have this like very wishy
washy support from progresses.
So democrats are holding on to this
idea that, well, at least we can
still legislate with bipartisanship
at this moment in time.
When with this moment in time,
calls for is for
leaders to step up to the plate and
do the, I don't know,
radical brave thing.
And pushing for policies that 100
million Americans are on board with
or something like that.
I think the messaging is so
important and we just have to keep
coming back to this idea that
those numbers don't lie.
And if you're worried about losing
an election, like it was kind of
of earlier in the week, we kind of
of saw the whatever losses.
That are going to
be painted by the right as
tremendous failures for democrats.
So wouldn't you think that laid
a bit more groundwork for
us to actually go forward with
these positive.
All of these incredibly positive
policies?
I'm definitely lost, but
it's really interesting as we said.
I was trying to figure out what was
going on right now and
it's up in the air.
So who knows, by the end of the day
we could have some good or
bad news.
>> No, I gotta say something about
what Caroline just said there.
If you didn't grow up
with mainstream media brainwashing,
it would seem really strange.
You'd be like,
wait, every provision in the bill,
every one of them pulls above 55%,
which is really good.
The great majority of them pull
above 66% like two thirds
of the country says yes.
Some of them, as I told you get up
to 9 out of 10 Americans saying I
definitely want that, right?
So if you come to this country and
you don't know anything about how
corporations have taken over
our media.
And use it to brainwash
the electorate, you would be like,
puzzled.
Why are the journalists telling you
that it's an unpopular bill when
every provision in the bill.
Ranges from really popular too
intensely must have popular.
So why are they all lying in mass
in unison?
Well. [LAUGH].
Guys like Professor Noam Chomsky
figured this out decades ago.
It's called manufacturing consent.
They're not in the news business
there in the corporate consent
business.
And a perfect example of that was
Jake Tapper with Ro Khanna just
a little bit earlier today, Jake
Tapper browbeat him and was like.
Why don't you just sign on to what
democratic leadership wants, which
is a vote for the bipartisan bill?
That's totally corporate
laden pork.
Okay, that actually has that there.
So why don't you sign on to that
corporate bill right now.
Without getting any assurances that
we're ever going to vote
for your bill?
Why don't you sign it?
It's your fault.
You're the one blaming it.
I mean,
it was just pathetic demagoguery
propaganda and in Washington,
like he is a credible news anchor.
>> Yep.
>> It's a joke.
>> And the only thing.
So saying all of these things that
are wildly popular doing them would
obviously be bad for you.
That's crazy.
The only thing that makes it
crazier is like,
couldn't you at least wait until
a fresh week before saying that
doing something will cause.
The progressives to be responsible
for losing elections, because,
like 3 days ago, you said it was
their fault for blocking it.
We didn't do anything.
And so progressive sort
of to blame.
Now, if you do something,
progressives will be to blame.
The only, like, through line,
the only logical through line that
I can make is that no matter
what happens.
They're going to blame
progressives.
>> Job. [CROSSTALK]. I've gotta say
something about that after
Virginia, Terry Mcauliffe, the most
centrist, corporate establishment
democrats of our lifetimes loses.
And they're like, you see,
they went too far left.
But he's at the very other end of
the political spectrum within
the democratic party,
he's the most right wing democrat.
Now, if he had won,
what would they have said?
You see you can't go too far left.
>> Yeah.
>> So mainstream media is lying to
you in mass CNN New York times.
They're all lying to you,
no matter what you do.
No matter what happens, they say
the country's got too far left,
you cannot go left.
Everybody remember give everything
you own to the corporations.
And the dogs that they bought in
the republican and
democratic parties.
It's disgusting that they have
hijacked the label of journalism
and now use it for propaganda.
>> Yeah. And look, we saw,
headlines, Phil Murphy.
He squeaked out a narrow win.
So he better go back to the center,
they're not saying that
about yanking obviously.
And I would say it's fairly
predictable because they're not
worried about a republican
going too far.
Republicans get in office to block
anything from happening.
That's what they want.
That's like we we had for
over a decade, media matters and
organizations like it did a great
job of trying to bust through
the myth that Fox News.
Was fair and balanced,
that it wasn't pushing some sort of
agenda and we just need that for
CNN MSNBC.
I know that we've been doing that
to some extent, people need to
understand that just because like.
We wear shirts that say progressive
versus everybody, so
we have a perspective.
Well, they don't wear those shirts,
Jake Tapper never says the status
quo, and that's it.
So I guess he doesn't have
a perspective, but no, he does.
They very clearly want specific
things and what they
want is nothing to ever change.
>> I gotta say one quick
thing on that.
[CROSSTALK]. >> I'm going to be way
less compelling in the next block.
>> Okay, hold on.
[LAUGH].
You've been incredibly compelling.
So, look, I read about this in my
book Justice coming book dot com,
you can preorder it.
>> Prove it.
>> I know it's been a long time
coming, but anyway, look guys,
the fact that they privilege their
perspective and
their bias by calling it objective.
Makes it more deceptive,
not less deceptive
by not wearing the shirt saying
I'm a corporate tool and I love it.
They're saying, no,
me being a corporate tool is
the objective position, okay?
Now, if you guys want to take a
position that actually shows people
what people actually believe.
And you're actually doing
the news and it's based on facts,
your radicals and
you're not really credible.
Okay.
But if you do the pro corporate
position where we give everything
to the corrupt politicians.
And what they want and
the donors who finance them and
never ever,
ever talk about the donors.
Even though they're the number one
factor in politics, well then you
are objective and credible.
That makes them far bigger liars,
far bigger than even the right
wing.
We're not lying to you,
we tell you we're progressive.
This is our perspective, but we're
never going to play with the facts.
We're going to give you the facts
that we've done it 1000
times where it is uncomfortable.
We did earlier in the story, I want
to apologize me an American hero.
But she has not done a good
job in negotiations,
even though I'm rooting for her.
Even though I couldn't answer to
join justice democrats.
But she didn't do a good job,
facts matter.
And honestly, the mainstream media
at this point are just as bad as
right wing media and Donald Trump.
They have alternative facts and
they try to brainwash you with that
nonsense propaganda