>> THE SYRIAN REFUGEE CRISIS ADDED ANOTHER UGLY MOMENT
TODAY WHEN HUNGARIAN POLICE CLASHED WITH A NUMBER OF
SYRIAN MIGRANTS WHO WERE BREAKING THROUGH SOME
FENCES SET UP TO SEPARATE HUNGARY FROM SERBIA.
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PROTESTERS TRYING TO GET
INTO HUNGARY.
THEY HAD BEEN LIGHTING TIRES ON FIRE.
EVENTUALLY SOME BROKE THROUGH AND THERE WAS VIOLENCE.
CANISTERS OF TEAR GAS, PEPPER SPRAY WAS USED, AND WATER
CANNONS WERE USED.
IT BRINGS UP SOME OF THE WORST IMAGERY FROM OUR OWN
COUNTRY IN THE PAST CENTURY.
THIS HAPPENED TODAY BECAUSE THE HUNGARY GOVERNMENT THIS WEEK
TRIED TO
STOP THE HUGE FLOW OF PEOPLE, SEALING OFF ITS BORDER WITH
SERBIA WITH A RAZOR WIRE FENCE AND MAKING IT A CRIME TO
ENTER THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
THE BORDER BETWEEN HUNGARY AND SERBIA IS ONLY MORE THAN A
LITTLE MORE THAN 100 MILES.
THEY CLOSED IT OFF.
IN THE RUN UP TO THEM, 500 ñ 5000 REFUGEES HAVE CROSSED THE
BORDER IN THE 24 HOURS BEFORE THE FENCES WERE FINALLY ERECTED.
WE HAVE A DESCRIPTION OF SOME OF THE VIOLENCE THAT HAPPENED
AT THE PROTEST TODAY.
"CHILDREN AND WOMEN CRIED WHILE YOUNG MEN WITH SCARVES OVER
THEIR FACES HURLED STONES THEY CHARGED FOR THE POLICE
THROUGH TEAR GAS SMOKE.
SEVERAL SERBIAN AMBULANCES ARRIVE TO TREAT THE INJURED.
HUNGARIAN MEDIA REPORTED THAT A PREGNANT WOMAN BEGAN GIVING
BIRTH TO A BABY AMID THE CLASHES."
THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE INJURED, OBVIOUSLY SOME DID
MAKE IT IN.
WE WILL GIVE YOU SOME STATS FOR HOW MANY MIGRANTS HAVE
TRANSITIONED THROUGH.
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE AS WE ARE
DEBATING WHAT SHOULD BE DONE TO HELP INTEGRATE MIGRANTS
INTO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.
>> I'M A LITTLE CONFLICTED ABOUT THIS.
ON THE ONE HAND, THE REFUGEES ARE HEARTBREAKING.
I READ A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STORY A WHILE BACK ABOUT
THE SERBIAN REFUGEES.
SHE USED TO GO AND TREAT THE KIDS THERE AND SOME OF THEM
NEEDED DENTAL WORK BECAUSE PEOPLE AT THE BORDER WOULD
SMASH THEM WITH RIFLES.
AND SHE WOULD GO AND VOLUNTEER TO FIX THEIR TEETH.
BELIEVE ME, I HAVE ALL THE SYMPATHY IN THE WORLD FOR
THE REFUGEES.
ON THE OTHER HAND, WHAT IS HUNGARY SUPPOSED TO DO?
ARE YOU GOING TO LET EVERYBODY COME IN?
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN, BUT THEN WHEN THEY WANT TO COME IN
AND YOU HAVE ERECTED A PHYSICAL BARRIER, YOU ARE GOING TO
HAVE A SITUATION.
YOU'VE GOT A MAKE A CALL HERE.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
LET THEM IN, OR PHYSICALLY STOP THEM?
I THINK IT IS SUPERTOUGH.
I DON'T THINK IT IS AN EASY CALL.
>> I THINK YOU DEFINITELY HAVE TO RIFLE BUTT THOSE KIDS,
MAYBE TEARGAS SOME OF THEM FOR SURE.
YOU HAVE TO TEARGAS.
THEY ARE FLEEING A WAR ZONE.
YOU HAVE TO PEPPER SPRAY THEM AND KICK SOME A LITTLE.
MAYBE TRIP THEM?
>> I HEAR YOU.
BUT I AM ASKING YOU GUYS.
WHAT SHOULD WE DO?
IF YOU ARE HUNGARY, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?
>> I DON'T KNOW, YOU MAKE A STINK INTERNATIONALLY, YOU MAYBE
GO TO THE U.N.?
YOU TRY TO SET UP SOME FUNDING TO TRY TO SET UP REFUGEE CAMPS?
AGAIN, WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU ARE AT THE BORDER AND YOU
ARE ONE OF THOSE GUYS AND THEY GIVE YOU A RIFLE?
>> I HEAR YOU, JIMMY.
I HAVE A HELL OF A TIME LISTENING TO THAT ORDER
ABOUT THROWING THE TEARGAS AT THESE POOR KIDS AND PARENTS.
THEY ARE TRYING TO ESCAPE FOR THEIR LIVES.
I GET IT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO THROW THE TEARGAS, I CERTAINLY DON'T
WANT TO DO THAT.
THEN IF THE ANSWER IS I'M GOING TO GO TO THE U.N.,
THAT IS GOING TO TAKE FOREVER.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT IS THE ANSWER.
>> I THINK WE ARE ASSUMING THAT ALL THE HUNGARIANS THAT ARE
INVOLVED ARE RATIONAL, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY ARE.
I KNOW THERE IS A HUGE ISSUE OF XENOPHOBIA IN THE COUNTRY
OF HUNGARY.
THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT THEY ARE ALL XENOPHOBIC OR HAVE
ISSUES WITH RACISM.
THERE IS A POLITICAL PARTY THERE THAT IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT
THE FACT THAT THEY ONLY WANT HUNGARIANS IN THE COUNTRY.
THEY DON'T WANT ANY OTHER PERSON WITH ANY OTHER BACKGROUND
IN THE COUNTRY.
THAT MESSAGING MIGHT RESONATE WITH SOME OF THEM.
THEIR REACTION AND VIOLENT RESPONSE TO THOSE REFUGEES
KIND OF MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT SCHOOL OF THOUGHT.
YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING?
>>BUT WHAT WOULD WE DO?
WE PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE ANY BETTER AT ALL.
DO YOU THINK THE TRUMPS OF THE WORLD WOULDN'T SEND THEM AWAY?
>> HE HAS MENTIONED THAT HE PLANS TO BRING IN AT LEAST
10,000 REFUGEES.
AT LEAST THERE'S SOME SORT OF PLAN IN PLACE TO ACCOMMODATE.
>>
BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IS A BIGGER POINT IN FAVOR OF HUNGARY.
HUNGARY DIDN'T CAUSE THIS PROBLEM, NOW I HAVE TO TAKE IN
MILLIONS OF REFUGEES, BUT YOU ONLY GET IT TAKE IN 10,000?
PLEASE SPARE ME YOUR OUTRAGE ABOUT WHAT I DID.
>> MEETING PEOPLE THAT ARE FLEEING FROM A WAR-TORN
COUNTRY WITH VIOLENCE ALSO DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
>> WHAT IS THE ANSWER THEN?
>> IS IT THE FIRST TIME THAT HUNGARY HAS EVER HAD TO
WORK WITH SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBORS?.
THEY HAVE A REGULAR DIALOGUE WITH THE COUNTRIES AROUND THEM?
IS EVERYONE'S SOLUTION TEARGAS AND RIFLE BUTTS?
IS THAT HOW THEY RESPOND TO THIS CRISIS?
THAT IS YOUR FUCKING BIG IDEA?
>> I HEAR YOU, BUT THE PROBLEM COMES IN WHEN THE GUY SAID
I AM GOING TO GO RIGHT THERE AND YOU ARE CHARGED WITH MAKING
SURE HE DOES NOT GO RIGHT THERE.
THAT IS WHERE THE PROBLEM COMES.
HOW DO YOU DO THAT?
MAYBE THE ANSWER IS TRYING TO DO IT THE BEST WAY YOU CAN?
I DON'T KNOW.
>>AND YOU HAVE MADE REFERENCE TO WHAT DONALD TRUMP WOULD DO.
DONALD TRUMP IS ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS WITH WHAT HE
WANTS TO DO WITH OUR BORDER.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SET UP LETHAL
DETERRENCE AT THE BORDER OR WHO WANT TO USE DRONES OR WHATEVER.
AT LEAST WITH HUNGARY ñ LOOK, I DON'T LIKE TEARGAS OR PEPPER
SPRAY, BUT THEY ARE NONLETHAL FOR THE MOST PART.
WE KNOW THAT WHILE THEY DIDN'T MOVE INTO HUNGARY, THERE
ESTIMATES THAT JUST THIS YEAR 200,000
MIGRANTS HAVE TRANSITION THROUGH HUNGARY INTO OTHER COUNTRIES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR POLICY IS IN TERMS OF HOW MANY
THEY CAN ALLOW TO STAY THERE.
I ASSUME AT SOME POINT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ALLOW A
LOT TO STAY THERE.
GERMANY IS INTEGRATING A LOT OF PEOPLE.
THESE REFUGEES NEED TO BE SPREAD OUT IN DIFFERENT COUNTRIES.
EACH COUNTRY HAS DIFFERENT AMOUNTS THAT THEY CAN
ACTUALLY PROVIDE HELP TO.
HUNGARY IS PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BE ONE OF THOSE.
THE U.S. CERTAINLY SHOULD BE ONE OF THOSE.
WE CERTAINLY HAVE ROOM AND THE RESOURCES.
WE CAN DIVERT ONE PERCENT OF OUR MILITARY BUDGET AND MAKE A
PARADISE FOR THE REFUGEES HERE.
>> THE ONE THING I THINK WE WILL ALL AGREE ON IS MAYBE ALL
OF THIS CRISIS IS FINALLY AFFECTING THE WEST.
BEFORE, IT WAS OPTIONAL.
NOW IT IS AFFECTING YOU.
SO THE NEXT TIME THAT THE WEST IS CONSIDERING INVADING A
RANDOM MIDDLE EASTERN COUNTRY, WE SHOULD PUT A COUPLE OF
THOUGHTS BEHIND IT.
NOW IT MIGHT AFFECT YOU, RIGHT?
BUT BASHAR ASSAD IS THE DICTATOR IN SYRIA, THAT IS
HIS RESPONSIBILITY.
CERTAINLY IT IS, HE IS A HUGE PART OF THE EQUATION.
IT IS NOT A SIMPLE CONVERSATION ABOUT WHO WAS AT FAULT AND
WHAT CREATED THIS.
PART OF THE ANSWER IS ISIS.
ISIS CERTAINLY WOULD NOT HAVE EXISTED IF THE UNITED
STATES AND OUR ALLIES IF THEY DIDN'T GO IN AND INVADE
IRAQ, STOP THE ARMY AND DRIVE THE SUNNIS AND
SHIITES TO WHAT SEEMS TO BE NOW AN ENDLESS WAR RAGING
THROUGHOUT THE MIDDLE EAST.
DID WE HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY IN THIS MASS REFUGEE CRISIS?
ABSOLUTELY.
THE NEXT TIME THE U.S. OR SOME PARTS OF THE U.S.
SAY WE SHOULD GO DROP BOMBS ON IRAN, EUROPE, REMEMBER THIS
MOMENT.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 10
TIMES THIS IF YOU START A WAR WITH IRAN.
KEEP IT REAL.
THOSE ARE THE CONSEQUENCES AND YES IT WILL AFFECT YOU.
YOU SHOULD BE READY FOR THAT AND IT MATTERS.
IT DOESN'T JUST MATTER TO FOREIGNERS AND OTHER PEOPLE.
IT MATTERS TO YOU NOW.