-Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous,
whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light,
and I think you said that hasn't been checked,
but you're gonna test it.
And then I said, supposing you brought the light
inside the body, which you can do,
either through the skin or in some other way.
I see the disinfectant that knocks it out
in a minute, one minute.
And is there a way we can do something like that by injection
inside or almost a cleaning,
'cause you see it gets in the lungs
and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.
So, it would be interesting to check that.
-Interesting?
No, not interesting -- harmful, dangerous, really bad.
-Maybe you can, maybe you can't.
Again, I say maybe you can, maybe you can't.
I'm not a doctor.
But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what.
-This should shock you, but if you've been watching
President Trump's coronavirus briefings,
you know he's very comfortable touting COVID-19 therapies
without really knowing too much about them.
-Hydroxychloroquine.
Hydroxychloroquine.
As you know, it's a great malaria drug.
It's worked unbelievably.
It also works very powerfully on lupus, lupus.
And, again, you have to go through your medical people,
get the approval.
But I've seen things that I sort of like.
So, what do I know? I'm not a doctor.
-This is not scientifically proven to be
an effective treatment for COVID-19.
Even so, President Trump and Fox News spent weeks
touting it as such.
-A drug called hydroxychloroquine.
-What do you have to lose?
-Hydroxychloroquine. -Hydroxychloroquine.
-We don't have time to go and say, "Gee, let's take
a couple of years and test it out and let's go
and test with the test tubes and the laboratories."
We don't have time.
-One patient was described as Lazarus getting up after
he was like on death's door, and they started getting
a protocol of hydroxychloroquine at Lenox Hill,
and it's suddenly like Lazarus up from the grave.
I mean, that's an actual case.
-Either Fox News repeats Trump or Trump repeats Fox News,
depending upon the situation.
And then a circle, a cycle happens involving
Trump, Fox News, and various conservative websites.
And they go 'round and 'round and 'round substantiating,
they believe it more,
and this has real-world consequences.
-At least 22 states have now enacted regulations
to stop the hoarding since no one even knows
if the drugs will work against coronavirus.
-I tried probably seven
or eight different pharmacies in our area.
-So, it wasn't just one pharmacy.
It was several pharmacies
that didn't have the hydroxychloroquine.
-What's happened here is that Trump and Fox News
have forced their viewers
and much of the American public into a choice.
You can go with them, or you can go with the experts.
So, where does science -- where do facts end up?
-He gets new information.
He likes to talk that through out loud
and really have that dialogue.
And so that's what dialogue he was having.
I think he just saw the information at the time.
-The medical professionals advising
Trump have a second job of staying on his good side.
They have to tiptoe around him
when it comes time to correct the record.
-I would like Dr Fauci, if you don't mind,
to follow up on what the president is saying.
Should Americans have hope in this drug right now?
-The president feels optimistic about something,
his feeling about it.
It might be effective, but as a scientist,
as we're getting it out there, we need to do it in a way
as while we are making it available for people
who might want the hope that it might work,
you're also collecting data
that will ultimately show that it is truly effective.
-So, what we have here now is a situation
where top aides, advisers,
scientists have a fear of being sidelined or somehow stifled.
So, where do we get actual information?
Where do we get real facts?
Where do we get the truth?
Unfortunately, Fox News has not been a very good marketplace
for that particular commodity, facts.
-Michael Bloomberg is gonna handle the tracing,
army of tracers, in New York, we learned today from Cuomo.
-That's totally ridiculous. -Yeah, I know --
army of tracers.
-Then we should trace everybody for cancer.
-Yeah, army of tracers.
-Why don't you trace everybody for cancer
and heart disease and obesity?
I mean, a lot of things kill you more than COVID-19.
-More than any other actor, more than his aides,
more than Congress, more than anything,
the president reacts and responds to Fox News.
It shapes what he says, and it shapes what he thinks.
We're in the middle of a pandemic here,
where people are dying, where they're suffering.
You don't want health officials to sort of
have to sort of shade their words or tiptoe lightly
because the president and Fox News
are driving one particular line.
We want them to feel unencumbered,
able to tell the truth.
We should be listening to the experts
and not be distracted by what Trump,
with the assistance of Fox News,
gins up in terms of "science" or advice or ideas,
because the stakes are just too high.