Speaker 1: Let's try instead.
Manuel from Florida, welcome.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Nice to speak with you.
Speaker 1: Likewise.
Speaker 3: Florida is doing doing just fine.
Is that right?
Pretty darn.
Yeah.
It feels like I'm walking out into an now that whenever I leave my house, though, I
hide that.
Speaker 1: Well, at least the house isn't so hot.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
No, that's true.
The bills are pretty high because of that.
But I bet I mean, we have to take it.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, what's like your what's your, like, top electrical bill in the summer?
Speaker 3: So I have this like 1500 square foot house and in the summer, it could get
to $250.
Speaker 1: Oh, I have to tell you, that's not that bad.
And you keep you're running the AC almost 24 seven, I assume.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1: Okay.
That's actually not that shocking.
That's.
That's all right.
Well, fair.
I thought you were going to tell me $800 or something.
Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
I didn't know electricity was that expensive in other places.
Speaker 1: I think there are places where if you run the AC all every day, you can get
some crazy bills.
Yeah, but good.
You're not.
That's a problem you're not dealing with, at least.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
But yeah, I did wanted to ask you this question.
So I was speaking with somebody about, you know, this contentious topic of abortion rights
and whatnot.
Yes.
And, you know, the topic tends to revolve around when life begins and stuff.
And I've heard people say that it's science can tell us when it begins.
I've heard people say science can't even tell us when it ends.
And I just get kind of concerned.
And I wonder, is it practical for us to.
To make such definitions?
Or should we look at life and death like in a nuanced way and.
Like.
Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't actually think I don't think the solution is everybody agrees
to look at when life begins in a nuanced way.
I think what the issue is that even if we got some answer as to when life begins, it
still isn't going to change anyone's mind if they're against abortion for religious
reasons.
If imagine that science said, hey, you know what?
And by the way, the real issue is when are we talking about a person?
Not when life begins.
I mean, no one would deny that a clump of cells is a form of life.
The relevant question is, are we talking about a person?
And if it's a person, does it get due process?
Does it get citizenship?
Does it get child support?
Can you get the child tax credit when you're pregnant?
You know, all these other things that are really about personhood rather than life.
But imagine that science said, hey, life begins at nine weeks and six days into the gestational
period.
Do we then all agree about abortion?
I mean, it just in that sense, it's a red herring, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%.
And whenever I do talk about this, I do like to frame it in the the personhood kind of
way.
Right.
Because I mean, science is ever changing and and who knows, right?
Like, we may understand that a nine week old fetus has a full conscious right.
But at the end of the day, we assign personhood.
And we value.
Like the choice of the woman in her life and her safety in these ways.
Right.
Regardless of of that.
But yeah, personhood is great.
But I just get I get worried because it kind of makes pro-choice sound crazy when people
say things like, well, we actually never know.
Like, it's impossible to know and it's also impossible to know, like when people die.
Like, I mean, it just makes things feel relative and and I kind of.
I get lost in that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I think there's some value to, to the speed limit analogy, which is like, listen,
sometimes.
To live in a society, we have to draw lines where there are gray areas.
So you probably would have imagine a road where you go, listen, 100 miles an hour, no
one's going to say 100 miles an hour is a reasonable speed limit here and no one's going
to say that it's five.
We're going to set the speed limit at 40.
And certainly if it's dry and clear, you could probably safely go 55.
If it's dark and icy, you're going to have to go slower.
But this is where we're kind of drawing the line.
And when we get into these rare circumstances of like partial birth abortions, as they're
sometimes called, late term abortions, everybody has a term that's loaded that they want to
apply to it.
And then they say, well, it's it's we're talking about a person at seven months and someone
goes, well, here's one way where it would really be six and here's another way it from
the standpoint of policy, sometimes lines have to be drawn when things are blurry.
But this is a different question than if we got an answer to when life begins, then do
we resolve the debate?
The answer is obviously no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, 100%.
Well, thanks a ton for your time.
Speaker 1: And thank you for the call.
I appreciate it.
All right.
There's a manual from Florida.