WITH YOUR TIME.
LET YOU GO IN A SECOND.
ONE MORE QUESTION JUST ON,
KAUNLTS
COMMENTS OF THE VICE PRESIDENT
DOWN IN CENTRAL AMERICA.
MET WITH LEADERS IN KUWAIT
MULLAH AND MEXICO AND HAD THIS
MESSAGE FOR FOLKS CONSIDERING TO
MARC THE JOURNEY FOR ASYLUM I
WANT TO PLAY AND GET YOUR
REACTION TO.
>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR TO FOLKS
IN THIS REGION WHO ARE THINKING
ABOUT MAKING THAT DANGEROUS TREK
TO THE UNITED STATES/MEXICO
BORDER.
DO NOT COME.
>> YOU -- CRITICISM OF THAT.
I GUESS JUST TO GIVE SORT OF
DEFENSE OF IT AND GET YOUR
REACTION TO IT, RIGHT?
THE THING THAT PEOPLE IN THE
ADMINISTRATION WOULD SAY OR
OTHERS IS THAT, LOOK, IT REALLY
IS A VERY DANGEROUS JOURNEY.
IT COULD BE AWFUL FOR THE PEOPLE
THAT UNDERTAKE IT, AND YOU WANT
TO KIND OF NOT CREATE INCENTIVE
STRUCTURE THAT CREATES MORE
TRAFFIC IN THESE CORRIDORS THAT
CAN BE SO DANGEROUS.
WHATS YOUR PROBLEM WITH HER
PHASING IT THAT WAY?
>> I THINK THE ISSUE HERE --
FIRST OF ALL I THIS THIS IS NOT
JUST ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT.
THIS IS ABOUT THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION IMMIGRATION
POLICY WRIT LARGE.
ITS NOT -- WORKING.
ITS WRONG, AND ITS INHUMANE.
ITS ROOTED -- AND HE INHERITED
IT.
FRANKLY ALSO A PROBLEM NOT JUST
INHERITED BY DONALD TRUMP BUT BY
BARACK OBAMA, ALL THE WAY BACK
TO THE CREATION OF DHS AND
I.C.E. UNDER GEORGE BUSH.
ONE ISSUE HERE IN SAYING THAT IS
THAT GUATEMALANS AND CENTRAL
AMERICAN AND SOUTH AMERICAN
IMMIGRANTS KNOW THAT THIS
JOURNEY IS DANGEROUS.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING LOST ON
THEM AND NOT SOMETHING I THINK
WE NEED TO INFORM THEM OF.
THEY MAKE THAT JOURNEY KNOWING
THEY MAY DIE.
THE REASON THEY OR ANYBODY WOULD
TAKE A JOURNEY KNOWING THAT THEY
MAY DIE IS THE SAME REASON WHY A
PERSON WHO IS STUCK IN A BURNING
BUILDING MAY ELECT TO JUMP OUT A
WINDOW.
BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEIR
CONDITIONS BACK HOME IN
GUATEMALAN PEOPLE, FEMICIDES
HATCHING THROUGHOUT SOUTH
AMERICA, AND -- AND THERE ARE,
THERES A GREAT DEAL OF
POLITICAL VIOLENCE, ET CETERA.
AND PEOPLE LEAVE, BECAUSE THEY
BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE GREATER
CHANCE OF BEING TARGETED,
KILLED, MURDERED IF THEY STAY.
THAN THE ODDS OF THEM BEING
KILLED IF THEY GO.
ON THAT JOURNEY.
SO THEY KNOW THAT THIS JOURNEY
IS DANGEROUS.
WHAT WE AS A COUNTRY, WHAT THE
UNITED STATES HAS NOT DONE IS
ACTUALLY OWN UP TO THE FACT THAT
WE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO REGIME
CHANGE, DESTABILIZATION AND
INTERVENTIONIST FOREIGN POLICY
THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THESE
AWFUL CONDITIONS THROUGHOUT
LATIN AMERICA, AND THE REASON
THAT ITS A PROBLEM, AND THIS IS
NOT JUST U.S. SUPPORTING REGIME
CHANGE.
THIS IS ALSO CLIMATE POLICY THAT
IS IMPACTING THE GLOBAL SOUTH.
DISPROPORTIONATELY.
EVEN THOUGH THESE FARMERS AND
FOLKS IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH
AMERICA CONTRIBUTED TO CLIMATE
CHANGE THE LEAST IN TERMS OF
THEIR CARBON EMISSIONS.
>> RIGHT.
>> THEY ARE EXPERIENCING THE
RAVAGES THE MOST RIGHT NOW.
AND FIRST.
SO U.S. CLIMATE POLICY HAS
CONTRIBUTED TO THIS.
U.S. FOREIGN POLICY, U.S.
ECONOMIC AND TRADE POLICY HAS
HELPED CONTRIBUTE TO CONDITIONS
THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE FLEEING,
AND IT -- WE CANNOT AS A
COUNTRY, NO MATTER WHO IT IS,
CONTINUE TO SHOW UP IN LATIN
AMERICA AND SAY THAT THIS IS
THEIR FAULT, OR THAT THEY ARE TO
BLAME.
RIGHT?
BECAUSE THIS SEEMS LIKE ALMOST A
PRECURSOR TO SAY, IN SAYING,
THAT WE ARE GOING TO ALLEGE YOU
ARE COMING TO THIS COUNTRY
ILLEGALLY WHEN SEEKING ASYLUM ON
OUR BORDER IS, IN FACT, LEGAL,
AND USE THAT TO PREDATE ANY
VIOLENCE THAT WE ARE WILLING TO
INFLICT ON IMMIGRANTS AS A
DETERRENT, AND THIS IS POLICY
THAT HAPPENED DURING THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION, BUT I WANT TO BE
CLEAR THAT THIS IS POLICY THAT
HAPPENED DURING THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION AS WELL.
AND THE CAGING OF IMMIGRANTS WAS
VERY MUCH DOCUMENTED AND IT WAS
ASSERTED IN MANY WAYS, AND ONE
WITH MANY OF THE OTHER INHUMANE
POLICIES AS A DETERRENT TO SAY,
YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE CRUEL
ENOUGH, MAYBE PEOPLE WILL THINK
TWICE BEFORE COMING.
AND THIS AT ITS CORE IS
COMPLETELY INHUMANE.
I DONT THINK ITS SOMETHING
THAT ANY, THAT THE UNITED STATES
SHOULD EVER USE AS AN
IMMIGRATION POLICY, PERIOD, BUT
ITS NEVER SOMETHING, I BELIEVE,
I THINK ITS SHAMEFUL, THAT ANY
DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION,
WHETHER OBAMA ADMINISTRATION,
BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, ANY
ADMINISTRATION, ONE THAT WE
WOULD CHOOSE TO ADOPT.
I THINK WE HAVE VERY SEVERE
CHALLENGES AT OUR BORDER, AND
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I THINK
PEOPLE JUSTIFY THIS IS THAT THEY
SAY, WELL, LOOK HOW MANY, LOOK
AT THE FACILITIES IN OUR BORDER
AND HOW THEY HAVE BEEN CROWDED.
PROJECTIONS THAT THIS CROWDING
MAY BE GETTING WORSE, BUT I
THINK THATS BECAUSE WE HAVE
CHOSEN A CARCERAL IMMIGRATION
POLICY.
AND WHEN WE CHOOSE TO
GRATUITOUSLY CAGE PEOPLE SEEKING
A BETTER LIFE, THOSE CAGES WILL
ALWAYS BE OVERRUN.
IMAGINE IF RIGHT HERE IN NEW
YORK CITY, IN ELLIS ISLAND, IF
PEOPLES GRANDPARENTS AND
GREAT-GRANDPARENTS WERE MET WITH
CAGES.
HOW DIFFERENT WOULD THE DNA AND
OUR FAMILY HISTORIES AND TRAUMA
BE?
THIS IS NOT WHO WE SHOULD BE AS
A COUNTRY.
THERE ARE CHALLENGES I THINK THE
MESSAGE WE SHOULD BE SENDING TO
LUITEN AMERICA, FIRST OF ALL,
ACKNOWLEDGING OUR ROLE BECAUSE
WE HAVE BEEN HIDING AND RUNNING
AWAY FROM ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGING
THE ROLE OF U.S. HISTORY.
A MAJOR STEP FOR US TO EVEN SAY
WHAT WEVE DONE AND THEN THE
SECOND THING WE CAN DO IS SAY,
WE CAN COME TOGETHER, AND AS, AS
PARTNERS, TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT
HOW WE CLEAN UP THIS MESS THAT
THE UNITED STATES HELPED
CONTRIBUTE TO.
BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO LEAVE
THEIR HOME.
NONE OF THESE PEOPLE --
>> RIGHT.
>> -- WANT TO LEAVE THE
COMMUNITIES AND INSET TRALAYS TR
LANDS THEY AND THEIR RELATIVES
WERE IN.
THEYRE FLEEING BECAUSE OF
SITUATIONS THAT HAVE MADE THEM
FLEE.
OUR RESPONSE IS NOT JUST BORDER
POLICY BUT HOW TO CHANGE THE
FOREIGN POLICY SO WERE NO
LONGER SUPPORTING, FRANKLY,
NEOLIBERAL, ECONOMIC FOREIGN
POLICY THAT CREATES AN MAKES
DEVELOPING COUNTRIES FOREVER IN
DEBT, AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE
THAT WE ACTUALLY CHANGE OUR