- Well, I think there's some people that are fat
and they love it and they're proud of it.
- But that's proud to be who they are,
that's proud of their body.
- You shouldn't be proud of being that overweight.
- [Joseph] It's nothing to be proud of.
- Well, why not?
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- [Host] I think we should do a Hot Take.
- Yes, let's get spicy.
- What's a Hot Take again?
- Audience submitted question, or a prompt.
- Oh, okay. - Yeah.
- [Host] There is such a thing as being too jacked.
- I mean, you can never be too big, man.
(all laughing)
You can never be too big, bro.
Like, hey, he switched too.
I mean, there we go.
- I am big compared to what I used to be,
but not enough to what I wanna be.
- Yeah, you're gonna want more.
- I know that I'm not satisfied right now.
- Never, you'll never be satisfied.
People do take it to an extreme,
like, people that injected their arms
with, like- - Syntho oil.
- And then, the guy's bicep busted open,
crazy things like that. - Oh, okay.
- I agree with that, I agree with that.
- Yeah, that's extreme.
- That's different.
- And they can't wipe their butt on the toilet.
That's another form of body dysmorphia.
You feel like you're never big enough.
- I don't think so.
Body building is the extreme.
There's nothing wrong with it.
It's never gonna be too much.
I would be considered one of the larger ones
and I don't think I'm large at all.
I can get much bigger.
- [Host] Male body builders have small penises.
(all laughing)
- I'm excited to hear this explanation.
- So, all right, I'm gonna go ahead and start this off.
I'm speaking as far as myself, that's a disagree,
but as far as other body builders, I can't speak for them.
- I have never dated a body builder,
so I have never seen the goods of a male body builder.
(all laugh)
- Hey, if you're a guy and you're backstage getting a tan,
body builders have to put a sock on.
- Of course you're gonna look around, you know?
If that sock is full it must mean something!
- One of the biggest male members I know,
'cause it's just so obvious when he steps on stage,
Bo Lewis, it is huge down there, you can't miss it.
(all laughing)
- When you are a caliber above, people try to find a way
to bring you down to their level.
- It's like little penis energy.
Like, when you see guys in the flashy cars,
all the designer clothes and all that,
you're like, what are you compensating for, dude?
- That's true. - Yeah.
- [Host] I build my body to get girls or guys.
- Oh.
- I love you, Daniel.
(Margie laughs)
- Sorry.
I mean, I'm being brutally honest right here.
I was always the skinny kid,
so in the beginning it was that,
but now I have a girlfriend,
so no, that's not the point anymore.
- I think I body build 'cause I wanna scare them away.
(all laughing)
- So, I just wanna ask a question,
it was because the girls liked you
regardless of the body or not, right?
'Cause girls don't care about muscles and stuff.
- Yeah. - They really-
- I personally think that girls like dad bods more
than fit guys.
(all laughing)
- Spot on. - Fact.
A lot of body builders,
they get more compliments from guys than girls.
It's because it's a turn off for a lot of girls.
They think when a guy is too big,
or too shredded, or too vascular,
it looks freaky or scary to them.
- I care.
I watched my man go from being 160 pounds
to over 200 pounds, pure, solid muscle
and my physical attraction just went,
oh my God, look at you.
You're two feet wide, this is amazing.
- Wow.
- I like them dad bods, I'm sorry.
- [Host] Here's the next prompt.
I look down on people who are out of shape.
Three, two, one, go.
- I would never judge a person for being out of shape.
It's just, for me, I started off in the military
and then when you become a mom,
it's a slippery slope to getting fat
and to getting chubby and getting that mom body,
and so I know how it is to be outta shape
and I know that that needs a lot of tender love and care
and nurturing to get yourself out of that mode
of not being fit again.
I mean, people know when they're outta shape.
They don't need to be told,
they need to be loved and nurtured to do the right things.
- I was bullied in high school.
I was a 190 pound freshman.
I didn't even speak English, I moved here as an immigrant.
I didn't like how I looked.
I was made fun of in PE
and that was up to me to change that, so you can do it,
you're just choosing not to do it.
- So you're basically talking about, specifically,
if someone says they want something,
but they don't challenge themselves, they don't try,
those are the ones that you're like,
Oh, I'm upset with you.
- Kinda, yeah.
If I see someone that's just playing video games all day,
eating potato chips
and not doing anything else in their life,
I'll be like, all right you could be doing something else
for your health.
We all should be productive in a certain type of way.
- But they're the ones that gonna make the most gains.
You make those little steps,
you walk every day, you change your diet, you lift more.
I wouldn't wanna be discouraging to those people 'cause-
- Not at all, not discouraging.
Motivating them, I would want them to do
something good for themselves, you know?
Obviously, yeah.
- [Host] You should not be proud to be fat.
Three, two, one, go.
(Sasha laughs)
- I mean, when people hear the word fat,
it has such a negative connotation to it.
When like, why?
I don't think fat is necessarily a bad thing,
being unhealthy is a bad thing, but there's a lot of-
- No, but we're talking about pride
- Fat is unhealthy though.
- We're talking about pride.
- Of being proud of being that size.
- There's a difference between not being accepting
of yourself as fat and being proud to be fat.
- You should love yourself in all forms
but you shouldn't be proud of being that overweight
and unhealthy and-
- [Joseph] It's nothing to be proud of.
- Well, why not?
- Yeah, it's not something proud.
- It's really nothing to be proud of.
- It's something to accept and love yourself for
and not beat on yourself for but it's not something-
- I think you can be proud of it.
There's some people that are fat or overweight
and they love it.
- No that's proud to be who they are.
That's proud of their body,
like, oh, look how much I can eat.
Oh, I can put my fat on top of a car.
Now this coming up on the layers that I'm growing
and that is accumulating on my body
that's causing me to have heart disease
and all these other things, that's the pride that I have.
Being proud to be the thousand pound woman.
- Well yeah.
- Is that, you getting government checks
and things like that
- That's an extreme.
Fat comes in all different shapes and sizes.
If you're still healthy on the inside
and you like what you got, work it.
- Yeah, I feel like the problem is,
when you're so proud of being fat
and then you become an influencer
that you influence younger generations
to have those unhealthy life standards
and say that's just body positivity.
- Well, there's some influencers that are fat,
but they do work out on their platform.
They're doing yoga and they're dancing.
And so they're active, but they're just overweight.
- Going back to the thing,
it's not like something to be proud of at all,
only because trust me, they would not wanna be fat
and they claim, oh no, I'm happy,
I'm embracing with what I have.
No, if you could look a certain type of way differently,
you would choose that over this any other day.
- Well, how do you know that they would choose
a thinner physique over a-
- Not necessarily a thinner physique,
but you would want to look a little different.
I personally know a lot of people that are like that
and deep down they do break down and tell me,
no, it's another way of them
trying to make themselves happy.
And again, it's totally okay,
but it's not something to be proud of.
- I don't know, it was a movie like "Dodgeball," right?
And it like, it was like Ben Stiller character.
He was like, "If you don't hate yourself enough
to do something about it, it's your fault."
Funny, but it's just one of those things like with Lizzo
and everything else, she does work out.
She does wanna lose weight.
She knows that's not healthy,
but she still has a certain about like,
I am still gonna be me and I'm fabulous
no matter if I'm 100 pounds or 400 pounds.
I can understand that, I can respect that.
But she does have the ability to point that her heart
is working overload bouncing that ass up and down.
- In a lot of ways though, body building,
I mean, there's a lot of negatives to what we do too,
that we could be influencing other people negatively.
Weighing our food and always caring about every little gram
that comes into our mouth and-
- I'll take that over that.
- Putting your entire-
- I'll take one over the other.
That's fat around your heart,
that fat around on your intestines,
around your stomach is dangerous.
So taking pride in something
that's just killing people like that.
(Margie sighs)
Okay.
- [Host] I have considered steroids.
Three, two, one, go
- To the dark side I go.
- I know.
I'm ready for this one.
- I am so ready for this one.
- Joining the dark side?
- Yeah, I'm on the dark side, brother.
- I think in order to stay highly competitive,
especially on the west coast,
it's almost half necessary to start using stuff
'cause unfortunately to get to the points
that people are displaying, you need help.
- I definitely agree.
I mean, this is a really touchy subject,
but with all due respect for people who are natural,
who don't obviously take anything, keep going.
The sad truth about body building
is everyone you're going against is probably on stuff.
I did my first show natural, I won that show,
but the second show I got destroyed
and I realized what time it was,
everyone's talking behind stage about this, that.
If your goal is to be in that top 1% to make it
to the Olympia, you're gonna be going against people
who are taking a lot of steroids, anabolics,
and it's not gonna be a fair battle for you.
It won't be.
It makes a huge difference to you, for sure.
- Yeah, you do this sport because you wanna win, right?
- Of course.
- You're not gonna go on stages
because you wanna get second place,
third place, last place.
- No, its too expensive to just go on stage for no reason.
- Yeah, so I said, I respect the people
who just wanna go on there and be natural.
- Yeah.
- Respect for you, do that.
- Well, that's what they have the natural leagues for too.
There's drug tested leagues that if you wanna be
within the people who do not and will not use these things,
you can go into the natural league and be tested.
- I do completely agree with all that.
And again, I compete in the NPC, so that is not drug tested,
but I've come a few spots away from my pro card
at nationals a few times being completely natural.
And I'm not against taking drugs.
I understand most people do, for those bigger divisions,
it's a necessity, you have to do it.
But for bikini, I know that I can make it
to that pro level being natural.
It's just gonna take me a little bit more time.
And I take pride in that, because again,
I got into this lifestyle because of the health benefits.
- For me, I just never thought about doing that
because of the long term consequences that it may bring
if not accompanied by a doctor or a professional.
So I always wanted to stay natural.
But if you're doing it in a healthy and safe way,
then you do you I guess.
- Well, I have both experience from both sides,
but I remember waiting and thinking about
how small I was and I was thinking about
how I couldn't get that leanness.
And I remember I wanted to be bigger
and I was thinking in my head like,
I could not freaking wait to find me a drug dealer
so I can get on some steroids
'cause I wanted to be the biggest,
I wanted to be the strongest.
And I told anyone that, if you see me and you see me
with big muscles, you don't have to worry about asking,
you don't have to worry about spreading rumors,
'cause I am definitely 100% on something.
It's not abuse.
A lot of times when people talk about
doing performance enhancing things,
they wanna talk about the MLB or the NBA,
I'm not in any of those things.
This is self-care, for me to take care of my body
and for me to love what I'm doing with it.
So it's not something where you end up
having this situation where you have roid rage
or you have someone who's angry all the time.
A person is an asshole, they're an asshole.
It has nothing to do with what they take,
so just being real.
- And I respect you being so transparent about it
because a lot of them just try to say, oh, I'm natural.
I did this and you can do this too.
And it's just like, no, like why are you afraid?
If you take PEDs, then just say that you do.
I don't understand the whole taboo around it
and I think that needs to shift.
I think it looks amazing.
- But if more people talked about it,
it would be less severe.
If people were more open about the safety
and the care of it.
Some people do abuse it, but it's just like
when people abuse, anything, alcohol,
cocaine, drugs, anything, it's just being smart
and being educated about it.
- [Host] Body building is good for my mental health.
Three, two, one, go.
- So I have had instances in my life
where I've been really down and depressed.
And so gym and body building was one of the things
that got me through and it made me forget my problems
and just focus all my rage and anger towards
hitting new PRs and stuff.
So, yeah, thank you.
- Body building definitely can be a mental relief to you,
that's your only you time where you really get to have
when you're going to train in a way.
- You learn yourself worth in that process.
- Exactly, exactly, definitely.
'Cause it's you versus you at the end of the day,
that's how this sport is.
It's a selfish sport, but it helps you mentally.
It builds you up for sure.
But the reason why I'm in the agree lane
and not in the strongly agree lane
is because I can never look at food the same
(all laugh)
What's clean and what's not.
You can no longer just walk into a restaurant,
look at a burger and fries and eat that.
You're always gonna think, no, that has cheese,
that has this.
I can't digest that well.
But as far as body building itself, definitely helps you.
Yeah, mostly help.
- I feel my worst post-show
because I get so lean going into my shows
that coming out of them, I struggle mentally
and emotionally with it because I am so,
and it's gonna sound ridiculous,
uncomfortable with how I look right now.
So it is really good because it got me out of a rut
that I was in, body building saved my life,
but it also created a new problem.
- Yeah, the body dysmorphia post show is real.
- Yeah.
- If it wasn't for body building,
I can say almost undoubtedly
that I would not be here right now.
I was in a very abusive relationship,
verbal, sexual, mental, and I was in a very dark place.
And during that time I started to get into working out
and I noticed that it was giving me confidence
and an outlet.
And the person that I was with was getting intimidated.
They told me straight to my face, if you compete,
I will break up with you on the spot.
That's selling your body for sex.
That's what a slut does.
And so I didn't end up doing it.
And a few months after that we broke up
and that was probably the worst spot that I was in,
coming out of an abusive relationship
and just being empty.
For that period of time, that was the only person
that I knew.
And so I was in a dark place and I almost took my own life.
And I remember one day I was sitting in my car
and I was gonna drive myself out to the beach
and just walk into the ocean.
- [Margie] Yeah, wow.
- And that was the day that I was like,
I'm gonna say (beep) you to him and do a show.
And I dedicated the next four months of my life
to prepping for the show.
And that saved me.
It gave me a purpose, it gave me that independence
and that strength again.
- That's amazing, that's amazing.
- I just wanna say, I'm really glad you're here
because I know what you're feeling
and I've gone through breakup,
there were like a few instances where I broke down
right in the middle of workout.
I know it's embarrassing, but it got me through it.
- No, I'm on the same boat with you, man.
It's just a constant battle in your mind
just thinking to yourself, and I'm glad you're here Sasha,
by the way.
- Thank you.
- [Host] My body is the most important thing to me.
Three, two, one, go.
- Right here.
Obviously my family and God come first
and then there's my body.
But especially if it's your dream to make it to the top
and everything, it is your business,
it is your investment
that you got to take care of constantly.
- Same, when I'm on season, when I'm on competition,
that's my borrowed time for myself.
At six months, I'm being the most selfish that I can,
I'm not going anywhere, I'm not doing anything,
I'm not eating out.
But once I'm out of prep then yeah,
everything else comes first.
- Sometimes those things take a precedent.
If I'm in prep, I'm sorry I'm not answering the phone,
but if I'm out of prep and a friend calls
and I was supposed to get a workout in that day,
looks like I'm not going to the gym, she needs me.
- She does, yeah, yeah.
- This is my money maker.
So I'm competing in three weeks,
so yeah, this is everything to me right now.
So if I'm hurt or something feels funny,
I'm making sure I'm taking special attention to it.
People wanna go roller blading or hiking
or things like that, I can fall on a rock and scratch
and break something before the show
and then look like an idiot.
So just no, no.
This is the time to be really focused,
absolutely zero in on me.
All about me.
- I feel like you need your body to be healthy
in order to have anything else.
Of course mental health is very important as well.
But I feel like once you're physically healthy,
your mind could be at ease.
We're only given one body,
and so I feel like we should take good care of it.
- I'm not looking at it from a vanity perspective.
I'm looking at it from, my body is my temple.
And nothing feels better than being in shape.
And there's that quote out there like,
oh, nothing tastes as good as skinny feels.
I'm just like, yeah, whatever.
Nothing feels as good as making it
to the top of that mountain or kayaking
for six hours straight and still being able to keep going,
it's just such a great feeling.
- [Host] And that is a wrap.
(all cheer)
- Yes.
- Group photo.
- That's your new flex?
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