here we go Linda joy this is a matter of fairness and equity or remain
disappointed the Clive in bundy continues to not comply with the same
laws that 1600
public lands ranchers do every year
corns said after twenty years multiple court orders to remove the trespass
cattle mister bunny owes the american taxpayers in excess of one million
dollars
the BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and
traditions
dude judicially on
very interesting 16,000 Americans
Donna in Albuquerque a Donna hey how are you Tom I am well yes some thoughts on
this
yeah I sure do I have a couple points I'll
I've been watching the live stream yes on Saturday
about this whole thing had before was taken down and then it came back on
and that there were fifty other ranchers
that works basically went through the same hassle in that same neck of the
woods
and that Harry Reid hey I wanted his head staff skies
is now the head PL am and Harry Reid Sun Rory
is a a lobbyist fours a
solar company he and then added China that wants to build a huge
solar farm on this property and now that just doesn't
pass the smell test well NOAA
let's assume that that's all true to be what does that have to do with this guy
not panned for his
you know he's is fattening his cattle on your own mind nickel
since nineteen and that since 1993
and refusing to pay for it what to and that was long before Harry Reid's son
was anything or any the any solar company even existed in China
while so been going on for quite some time judges said has been going on since
1993 in
and he claims that they're not representing him and that money that
he's been paying them should go back
into developing the land in keeping the water and
and and the fences up an appeal and job is not to represent him the
the BLM's job is to represent the people the United States
right and to also help maintain the BLM land which this guy's claiming that
they have done nothing but try and get him of this land right because they're
saying that he has made modifications to the land that are destructive %uh that
he is put into watering holes in their
and and screwed up the the local ecology pretty badly in his
it they they the BLM's position as he's damage in a land
well the BLM's position was also that he was damaging kernels in them and that
didn't fly when they discovered that the BLM has been killing terrible
well then it wasn't about the Colonels anymore then it became
it's never been about the turtles it's always been about you pay enough
fifteen sixteen thousand ranchers in america pay the fee
and it's a very small fee to talk in a buck an acre market half an acre
and this guy who is a multi-millionaire main
and which is not pointed out on Fox News this guy's a multi-millionaire
and he and NE was fined and the fee when Ronald Reagan was president when george
bush was president
soon as bill clinton became president he decided he was gonna pay the fee anymore
and then he goes to court and I've got the core failing right here in my hand
and he goes to court US District Court in Nevada and he claims that he doesn't
have to pay the fee
eighty because the Court does not have jurisdiction because public lands in a
bad are not the property the United States
which is he and other is a constitution which he's is unconstitutional
constitutional explicitly says that the federal government has the power to
administer
and determine rules for federal lands and then a second argument
is that the United States ownership a public lands
arm their ability to sanction him for trespass on public lands
and the Nevada Constitution Nevada statutes
are all illegal I mean this guy this is this is the sovereign citizen think this
is the
this is the I'm not part of the United States I don't have to play by the rules
I'm a rich millionaire and I get to set my own rules I don't you know
late the status is got nothing to do with solar power it's got nothing to do
with Harry Reid it's got nothing to do with pearls
oh I think you're wrong on the solar power and Harry Reid in a sunbeam
now that's the best poet Ovid the air even if hollowed-out was chillin still
are as the caller is not very
his neighbors took the the BLM in ninety-eight came in and said
wheel out we will more or changing the rules were changing the boundaries on
this stuff this is Alden federal and all along
so they can they can decide this anytime they want we're changing the rules were
changing the boundaries
and and here here's some money
you know we will compensate you for this and everybody else took the money
and moved their cattle back and this guy said no I'm not gonna take your money I
wanna keep grazing my cattle and by the way I can pay you any more
well this is this has become a real interesting conundrum here because I
when I see
82 said cars leaving the vicinity
I after they had pointed guns at american citizens who were there in
protest you don't think those federal officers were american citizens
oh I'm sure they were mad and they're representing diet you and me
I at well they may be representing you but as far as I'm concerned whenever the
federal government has got something to do and their pollen
weapons on American citizen they need to drop so you have no
you have no problem subsidizing mister bundy's
I you serve your my up your land you have no problem
with him becoming a multi-millionaire fattening cattle on
land that you pay your taxes for that is owned by you in part
and not pain you the the the dollar 50 per acre per year feet
you have no problem with him right on you I have a problem with that anytime
someone whether it's the government or an individual is trying to fatten their
wallets
all that's what bundy's been doing for fifteen years twenty years here
you know I don't understand why you're defending him well
I'm not defending him I'm I'm up called
at the fact that the federal government without their withdrawn weapons and
there was an
at this is after sorry court cases
and three different times that they have asked him to move the cattle
and and finally they they organized a at the federal government at our expense
you and me we paid for those
they hired a bunch of cowboys to go in and move his cattle of that land
and that's when he got a buncha guys to show up with guns
and threaten our representatives
and somehow that's okay it's an ugly mad com
and and guns they're not gonna satellite that's for darn sure yet while gallery
with the on that %uh
donna thank you very much for the call and thanks for watching another
will be back
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it's really fascinating how how the the whole Fox News
spin has been able to drag Harry Reid knowledge
in Solara every totals