FOLKS, MY FIRST GUEST TONIGHT HAS BEEN A PRESIDENTIAL
SPEECHWRITER AND A TOP AIDE TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
YOU KNOW HIM AS THE LONGTIME HOST OF "HARDBALL."
PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "THE LATE SHOW," MR. CHRIS MATTHEWS!
CHRIS, GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK.
HOW HAVE YOU BEEN?
>> I'VE BEEN GREAT.
YOU WERE GREAT LAST NIGHT.
MY GOD.
>> Stephen: OH, THANK YOU.
>> Stephen: WITH JOHN WE HAD A LOT OF FUN.
>> IT WAS GREAT TO HAVE HIM GET BACK AT MITCH McCONNELL.
MITCH McCONNELL, THE OLDEST RULE IN POLITICS IS SHOOT UP,
RIGHT.
McCONNELL SHOOTS HIM AND MAKES JOHN BIGGER THAN HIM.
IT'S THE DUMBEST MOVE I'VE EVER SEEN.
JON STEWART RIGHT NOW IS A BIGGER DEAL IN RETIREMENT FROM
"THE DAILY SHOW" THAN MITCH McCONNELL AS SENATE MAJORITY
LEADER.
HE'S A BIGGER DEAL.
>> Stephen: HEAR THAT, JON?
HEAR THAT?
HE SEEMS HAPPY.
HE LOOKS HAPPY.
>> IT'S TRUE.
IT'S SUCH A DUMB MOVE, DUMB MOVE.
>> Stephen: SPEAKING OF DUMB MOVES.
TRUMP LAUNCHED HIS RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN TODAY.
>> DIZZ NIGH WORLD.
>> Stephen: YEAH, GOING ON DOWN THERE.
HIS POLLS, THE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
DO THEY MEAN ANYTHING?
>> WELL, BUT HIM, YOU KNOW, HIS POLLS HAVE NEVER BEEN GOOD.
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SAYING THEY LIKE HIM.
THEY'RE EMBARRASSED.
AND IT'S MORE EMBARRASSING NOW, THE RACISM, THE TERRIBLE STUFF
HE SAYS.
NOBODY WANTS TO SAY, "YEAH, I'M WITH THAT."
I'M VERY SKEPTICAL.
I'M WORRIED.
I THINK IT WILL BE A REAL CLOSE ONE NEXT NOVEMBER.
TWO OR THREE OF THE DEMOCRATS I CAN SEE BEATING HIM.
OTHERS MIGHT BEAT HIM.
I THINK BIDEN CAN BEAT HIM.
WARREN MIGHT BEAT HIM.
I THINK BEAUT GEJ MIGHT COME ON STRONG.
>> Stephen: WHEN YOU HEAR HIM TALK, YOU HEAR THAT GUY TALK.
IT SEEMS LIKE A FRESH, HONEST, RESPONSIVE ANSWER.
>> WHEN I INTERVIEWED HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES I GOT THE
FEELING HE GOT MY QUESTION TWO DAYS AGO.
HE'S GOT AN ESSAY ALL WRITTEN OUT.
>> Stephen: IT'S THOSE DAMN RHODES SCHOLARS.
>> BUT RIGHT NOW-- CLINTON IS LIKE THAT, TOO.
RACHEL MADDOW SAY RHODES SCHOLAR.
THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO SPEAK IN PARAGRAPHS.
THEY'VE GOT IT ALL READY.
I THINK NOW IT'S LIKE BASKIN ROBBINS.
YOU GO IN IT'S 31 FLAVORS.
I TRIED BETO LAST WEEK.
I THINK I'LL TRUE BUTTEIEG NEXT WEEK.
WITH THE DEBATES THERE WILL BE 10 ONE NIGHT, 10 THE NEXT TIGHT.
IT'S WORTH IT AS A CITIZEN TO JUST SIT AND WATCH THIS THING--
I'M SELLING RIGHT NOW.
IT'S OUR NETWORK.
>> Stephen: NBC AND MSNBC ARE CARRYING IT.
>> YOU WILL SIT THERE FOR TWO HOURS AND THE NEXT NIGHT TWO
HOURS-- BUTTEIEG RIGHT NEXT TO BIDEN.
I LOVE THAT THEY CLEVERLY -- >> Stephen: THAT'S NIGHT TWO.
IT'S BIDEN AND AND BERNIE.
AND BUTTEIEG.
THE THREE B'S.
>> YOU'LL BE ABLE TO WATCH THIM THEM IN ONE SHOT.
BIDEN WILL GET HIT AND START TALKING ABOUT GRANDPA FINNEGAN
BEGAN.
>> Stephen: WHO GRANDPA FINNEGAN.
>> THAT'S BIDEN.
HE ALWAYS COMES BACK TO THAT STUFF.
>> Stephen: WHY DO YOU THINK BIDEN IS OUT FRONT?
WARREN IS FAMOUS AND HAS HER PASSIONATE BASE.
BERNIE IS THE GUY-- HE'S NEXT IN LINE IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY,
THE GUY-- >> YOU HAVE EVER EMPTY BIDEN?
>> Stephen: YES.
>> HE'S LIKE THE MOST NORMAL GUY.
LIKE AMTRAK, ANYBODY WHO TAKES THE ACELA ON THE EAST COAST
KNOWS EVERYBODY WHO WORKS THAT TRAIN KNOWS HIM PERSONALLY.
YOU TALK TO THE WOMAN WHO SELLS THE COFFEE AND SHE SAYS, "HE'S
ALWAYS GETTING HIS PICTURE TAKEN WITH MY MOTHER."
THAT'S BIDEN HE'S VERY LIKABLE.
>> Stephen: IT'S NOSTALGIA, TOO, RIGHT.
GUBACK FOUR YEARS BEFORE ORANGE THANOS SHOWED UP.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> BUT YOU KNOW, HE WAS SORT OF ED McMAHON TO BARACK OBAMA FOR
EIGHT YEARS GLI WOULD TAKE ED McMAHON.
>> HE PUT THE "O" IN OBAMA.
HE WAS LIKE THE IRISH GUY HANGING AROUND WITH THE AFRICAN
AMERICAN PRESIDENT, AND THEY WORKED TOGETHERAISE A TEAM, AND
I THINK EVERYBODY, AMERICAN AMERICAN AND WHITE VOTERS ARE
ALL REMEMBER THAT VERY NICE RELATIONSHIP.
AND I THINK THEY FELT GOOD ABOUT IT.
AND I THINK THEY WANT SOMETHING LIKE THAT AGAIN.
THEY FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT.
>> Stephen: WHY DO YOU THINK WARREN IS SURGING?
>> IDEALS.
SHE'S AN ENGINE OF IDEAS.
I THINK SHE'S VERY CAREFUL TO SAY, "I'M NOT A SOCIALIST.
I'M A REFORMER.
I WANT TO FIX THINGS, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN THE MARKET SYSTEM AS
THE BASIS.
I WANT TO REDISTRIBUTE THE WEALTH.
I DON'T WANT TO KILL THE WEALTH.
I THINK SHE'S VERY SMART.
AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LISTEN TO HER.
I THINK THESE GOING TO BE SOMETHING TO WATCH.
THERE ARE SOME PRETTY OF PRETTY GOOD CANDIDATES THERE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW-- WE'RE ASKING SO MANY-- THERE ARE 20 OF
THEM, 23, ACTUALLY.
SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T GET IN THE LIST.
>> Stephen: A SITTING GOVERNOR OF MONTANA.
>> HE'S GOOD.
I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO BE THE HOT TICKET THIS TIME.
NEXT FEBRUARY, 20-- 1920-- WHICH IS NOT THAT FAR-- 2020 IT'S
GOING TO BE DOWN TO ONE OF TWO.
SOMEBODY WILL WIN IOWA, SOMEBODY WILL WIN NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND IF
THAT'S THE SAME PERSON, LOOK OUT.
I THINK ELISABETH WARREN CAN WIN IOWA, BECAUSE SHE'S VERY
AGGRESSIVE, VERY PROGRESSIVE, ACTIVISTS SHOW UP.
WE KNOW HOW IT WORKS.
THE MORE MODERATE PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP.
SHE GOES TO HAMP, HOME COURT.
GOES TO NEVADA A BIG LABOR STATE.
SHE COULD WIN THREE IN A ROW.
SHE'S THE ONE WHO COULD START REALLY FAST.
I THINK SHE'LL BLOW OUT BERNIE EARLY ON.
BERNIE WILL LOSE HIS VOTES TO HER.
BIDEN'S TRICK WILL BE CAN HE HANG IN THERE AND BASICALLY DO
ROPE-A-DOPE FOR FOUR OR FIVE CONTESTS AND STILL NUMBER THE
RACE WHEN HE'S LOST THREE OR FOUR UP FRONG'RE FRONT.
HE'LL APPEAL TO THE MODERATE, SOUTHERN COOND OF VOTER, MORE
CONSERVATIVE DEMOCRAT.
HE CAN HANG IN THERE.
THIS IS PROJECTING A YEAR-- BUT I DID SAY THIS ABOUT A YEAR AND
A HALF AGO SO I STILL BELIEVE IT.
>> Stephen: SO WHEN YOU MAKE PREDICTIONS NORMALLY A YEAR AND
A HALF AHEAD OF TIME ARE, THEY ACCURATE?
>> THEY'RE ALWAYS ACCURATE BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT
REMEMBERS THEM.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: WELL, WHAT CAN YOU DO-- WHAT CAN THESE PEOPLE IN
THESE TWO DEBATES -- AGAIN, IT'S 20 OF THE CANDIDATES OVER THE
COURSE OF TWO NIGHTS.
WE'LL BE LIVE-- WE'RE GOING TO BE WATCHING IT LIVE OURSELVES
HERE.
AND WHAT CAN THEY DO TO DIFFERENTIATE THEMSELVES?
HOW WILL THEY COME OUT OF THE GATE.
WHAT IS IT THEY HAVE TO DO?
>> COME OUT STRONG.
COME OUT STRONG.
PEOPLE WANT TO SEE ENERGY, THAT THEY'RE GLAD YOU'RE THERE.
SHOW TIME-- LOOK LIKE YOU LOVE TO BE THERE.
YOU HAVE TO BE THERE.
THIS IS IMPORTANT!
AND I THINK WHEN BOAB KENNEDY GAVE ADVICE TO JACK KENNEDY,
THIS BIG GREAT DEBATE WITH NIXON.
YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID, HE LOVED HIS BROTHER, JACK.
HE'S GOING OUT TO DEBATE, THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES, YOU KNOW WHAT HE SAID TO HIM?
"KICK HIM IN THE BALLS."
AND I'LL TELLUE
THAT'S WHAT HE SAID.
AND I'M TELLING YOU, THAT'S THE RIGHT ADVICE.
GO FOR THE KILL.
TAKE DOWN THE ONE-- SO I WOULD EXPECT BUTTEIG AND BETO THEY'LL
GO AFTER BIDEN.
I EXPECT ELISABETH WILL FIND A WAY TO GRAB FRONT LINE, BE FIRST
IN LINE AMONG THE PROGRESSIVES.
THERE ARE SORT OF TWO LANES, THE MODERATES AND PROGRESSIVES.
SORT OF LIKE THE T.S.A. LINE.
YOU LOOK FOR THE SHORT LINE.
THE BIDEN LINE IS REALLY SHORT.
IT'S JUST HIM.
>> Stephen: ON YOUR SHOW LAST NIGHT, YOU HAD THE DECIDERS?
>> YEAR, WE WENT OUT TOIDATE ORANGE OHIO, BECAUSE I WANTED TO
TALK TO THE PEOPLE-- WE'VE DONE THIS TWICE.
WE GO TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY WHO HAVEN'T MADE UP
THEIR MINDS, 50-50.
AND ASKED THEM WHAT WOULD CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
AND WHAT I REALLY LEARNED LAST NIGHT, ONE, BIG SURPRISE, PEOPLE
DON'T LIKE BEING OVERLOOKED.
HILLARY NEVER VISITED THAT TOWN, DAYTON.
TRUMP WENT THROUGH THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES.
PEOPLE WANT TO YOU COME TO THEM AND ASK FOR YOUR VOTE.
TIP O'NEIL TOLD ME THAT, PEOPLE LIKE TO BE ASKED.
DON'T OVERLOOK THE BASICS.
IF YOU WANT SOMEBODY TO VOTE FOR YOU, COME AND HAVE FOR THE VOTE.
DON'T JUST ASSUME -- >> Stephen: DON'T JUST ASSUME
WE'RE GOING TO THE DANCE TOGETHER.
>> A FRIEND OF MINE TALKED ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH WOMEN.
HE SAID PEOPLE DON'T MIND BEING USED, THEY MIND BEING DISCARDED.
DON'T DISCARD PEOPLE.
AND I THINK THE DEMOCRATS DISCARDED A LOT OF WORKING CLASS
PEOPLE.
TRUMP WENT IN THERE LOTS OF TIMES.
THE OTHER THING THEY DON'T LIKE IS BEING LOOKED DOWN ON.
THE PROLIFE PEOPLE THEY'RE BELOW US.
DON'T TALK ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WAY.
WHAT ELSE?
THE TRUMP PEOPLE DON'T CARE HOW CRASS TRUMP IS, HOW MUCH HE
LIES.
MY FAVORITE QUESTION LAST NIGHT, I ASKED, "HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK
TRUMP LIES?" ALMOST EVERYBODY-- BOTH SIDES,
REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS, YEAH.
HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE DON'T THINK HE LIES?
CONTRADICTS.
NOBODY.
NOT A SINGLE REPUBLICAN IN THAT BIG ROOM, LIKE THIS, SAID, "I
DON'T THINK HE LIES."
THAT'S WEIRD.
USUALLY YOU VOTE FOR PEOPLE-- USUALLY YOU VOTE FOR PEOPLE YOU
THINK ARE TELLING THE TRUTH.
THAT'S SORT OF A MINIMAL REQUIREMENT.
>> Stephen: IT'S LIKE YOU'VE BEEN IN A COMA FOR THREE YEARS.
>> THAT'S TRULY AWFUL ABOUT TRUMP.
>> Stephen: IT IS AWFUL.
>> YOU AND I CARE ABOUT-- WE HEAR ABOUT IT.
WE CARE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY.
WE'RE PATRIOTIC.
WE WANT TO HAVE A COMPANY THAT HAS FAIR ELECTIONS AND LIVE WITH
THE RESULTS.
WE'VE LEARNED TO DO THAT SINCE-- THE 18th CENTURY, WE'VE
LIVED WITH THE OTHER SIDE WINNING.
WE CAN LIVE WITH THE OTHER SIDE WINNING.
WE CAN LIVE WITH THAT.
WE JUST WANT TO KNOW THE PERSON WHO TAKES THE ELECTION DOESN'T
TRY TO PUT THEM IN JAIL, LIKE WITH HILLARY, "LOCK HER UP.
LOCK HER UP."
AND NOW THEY SAY-- WE KNOW TRUMP, IF HE LOST THE ELECTION,
HE WOULD HAVE SAID IT WAS RIGGED.
WE NOW KNOW THAT.
THAT'S WAIT IT IS.
IT'S BAD FOR OUR COUNTRY.
HE IS BAD FOR CRIT ON THE BASICS OF BELIEVING INs OF THE SYSTEM
OF DEMOCRACY, AND TREATING PEOPLE LIKE A HUMAN BEING.
DON'T MAKE FUN OF THEIR FACES WHICH THIS DISIE GOOI DOES.
HE MAKES FUN OF OTHER PEOPLE'S FACE.
WHICH IS INCREDIBLE.
( APPLAUSE )
AGAINST.
HE SAID EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTRY KNEW WHAT YOU MEANT.
SHE NAILED HIM ON THAT AND MAKING FUN OF THESE-- THESE
NICKNAMES.
BY THE WAY, YOU KNOW WHO IS DOING REALLY WELL RIGHT NOW.
POCAHONTAS.
I THINK HE SHOULD START CALLING HER GERONIMO RIGHT NOW.
SHE IS COMING ON STRONG.
I WOULDN'T CALL HER POCAHONTAS ANYMORE.
>> Stephen: SHE SHOULD CALL HIM SITTING ( BLEEP ) BECAUSE
THAT'S ALL HE'S GOT.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).
>> YOU CAN SAY THAT?
>> Stephen: NO.
"HARDBALL WITH CHRIS MATTHEWS" AIRS WEEKNIGHTS ON MSNBC.
CHRIS MATTHEWS, 20 YEARS.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH THE STAR OF "WILD ROSE," JESSIE
BUCKLEY.
SIT!
WE HAVE TO DO THE THING.