MONDAY MORNING AS WE COVER THE
WAR ON DAY 12.
>> Dana: LET’S BRING IN FORMER
SECRETARY OF STATE AND FOX NEWS
CONTRIBUTOR MIKE POMPEO.
GOOD TO HAVE YOU.
ANTONY BLINKEN SAID THIS OVER
THE WEEKEND ABOUT RUSSIAN
ATTACKS.
>> VERY CREDIBLE REPORTS OF
DELIBERATE ATTACKS ON CIVILIANS
WHICH WOULD CONSTITUTE A WAR
CRIME.
WE’VE SEEN VERY CREDIBLE
REPORTS ABOUT THE USE OF
CERTAIN WEAPONS.
WHAT WE’RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS
MAKING SURE THAT AS PEOPLE AND
THE APPROPRIATE ORGANIZATIONS
AND INSTITUTIONS INVESTIGATE
WHETHER WAR CRIMES HAVE BEEN OR
ARE BEING COMMITTED.
>> Dana: WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP
OUT OF THAT, MR. SECRETARY?
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON
TODAY.
THERE IS ALMOST NO DOUBT VIDEOS
ARE SHOWING THINGS THAT WOULD
ACCOUNT FOR TRUE WAR CRIMINAL
ACTIVITY NOT ONLY FROM THOSE
WHO ARE ACTUALLY CONDUCTING THE
STRIKES BUT RUSSIAN LEADERSHIP
AND ORDERED THE STRIKES AND
PERMITTED THEM ALL THE WAY UP
TO AND INCLUDE VLADIMIR PUTIN.
THAT’S ONE THING THAT’S BAD.
IT IS HORRIFIC TO WATCH WHAT’S
HAPPENING TO THESE FAMILIES.
IN THE END THIS IS ABOUT
RUSSIAN POLICY THAT CONSISTENT
WITH THEIR TRAINING AND
DOCTRINE WHICH IS IF YOU AREN’T
SUCCESSFUL IN YOUR BLITZKRIEG
WITH DECAPITATION THE NEXT
THING DO IS DESTROY THE
POPULATION’S WILL AND CONTINUE
TO FIGHT.
THAT’S THE MODE THEY’RE IN.
THEY STALLED OUT IN THEIR
EFFORTS AND SO NOW WHAT YOU ARE
SEEING IS NOT JUST ATTACKS ON
INDIVIDUALS, BUT EFFORTS TO
UNDERMINE THE WILL OF THE
UKRAINIAN PEOPLE TO CONTINUE TO
FIGHT.
THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO DO
EVERYTHING IT CAN ALONG WITH
EUROPEAN PARTNERS TO MAINTAIN
THE SUPPORT WE HAVE SO
UKRAINIANS CONTINUE TO DEFEND
THEIR COUNTRY AND THEN WE NEED
TO MAKE SURE WE’RE PREPARED
WHEN THE MOMENT IS RIGHT TO
HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THOSE TWHO
HAVE DONE THIS.
>> Bill: WHAT PUTIN WANTED WAS
UKRAINE.
I DON’T KNOW IF THAT WAS
TRANSMITTED TO U.S. MEDIA THE
WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN
HINDSIGHT.
THAT TO THE SIDE NOW.
WE SIGNED A SECURITY
ARRANGEMENT ON THE 10th OF
NOVEMBER WITH UKRAINE SAYING WE
RECOGNIZE YOUR DESIRE TO PURSUE
MEMBERSHIP OF NATO SOME DAY.
WHY THEN WOULD WE SIGN THAT
SECURITY ARRANGEMENT KNOWING
FULL WELL IN THESE MEETINGS
WITH PUTIN AND TALKING ABOUT
WITH REGARD TO UKRAINE, WHY
WOULD WE THEN NOT SUPPLY IN
GREAT NUMBERS ON BEHALF OF NATO
AND THE UNITED STATES THE
JAVELINS AND STINGERS?
OR WE DON’T SIGN IT AND WE
STILL GIVE THEM THE JAVELINS
AND THE STINGERS THAT THEY
NEEDED.
YOU KNOW, IN HINDSIGHT, WAS
THAT A MASSIVE BLUNDER ON
BEHALF OF THE UNITED STATES AND
ITS NATO PARTNERS?
>> BILL, IT’S ABSOLUTELY THE
CASE.
WE’VE KNOWN FOR MONTHS THIS
ATTACK WAS PENDING AND WATCHED
THE TROOP BUILD-UPS.
INDEED SENIOR AMERICAN
OFFICIALS SAID IT WAS ABOUT TO
TAKE PLACE AND WE WEREN’T DOING
ALL THAT WE COULD TO HELP THE
UKRAINIANS PREPARE FOR THEIR
OWN DEFENSE WHETHER IT’S
JAVELINS OR ALL THE STOOLS FOR
THEIR OWN SELF-DEFENSE WE WERE
VERY SLOW.
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION
REFUSED TO DO THIS.
A YEAR HALF, TWO YEARS INTO OUR
TIME BEGAN TO BUILD-UP BUT THIS
ADMINISTRATION HAD A BIAS
AGAINST THAT THINKING THAT TO
DELIVER THOSE WEAPONS WOULD
ESCALATE THE CONFLICT WHEN IN
FACT IT WAS THE VERY
POSSIBILITY OF CREATING THE
DETERRENTS THAT MIGHT WELL HAVE
PREVENTED PUTIN FROM THINKING
HE COULD RUN THROUGH THE
COUNTRY.
>> Dana: ANOTHER THING
HAPPENING RIGHT AS YOU SPEAK
AND I’VE BEEN DYING TO ASK YOU
ABOUT THIS.
THAT IS THE BIDEN
ADMINISTRATION HAS TRYING TO
WORK WITH THE IRANIANS AND
OTHERS IN VIENNA AND OTHERS
MEANING RUSSIA ON THE
RECONSTITUTING THE IRAN NUCLEAR
DEAL.
IRAN/RUSSIA NUCLEAR NEXT YAS.
THEY’RE TRYING TO STOP THE
BLOODY CONQUEST OF UKRAINE BUT
RELYING ON RUSSIA TO REVIVE THE
NUCLEAR DEAL WITH IRAN.
NO WONDER RUSSIA FEELS BOLD TO
CALL FOR MORE CAPITULATION FROM
THE WEST.
THERE IS A LOT GOING ON IN THE
WORLD.
IN THE MEANTIME THEY ARE STILL
AT THE TABLE WITH RUSSIA IN
VIENNA?
>> SINGAPORE TALKING TO YOU
TODAY TALKING TO SOUTHEAST
ASIAN COUNTRIES ABOUT THEIR
CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER AMERICA
WILL BE HERE TO PROVIDE THE
THINGS THAT THEY NEED SO THEY
CAN DEFEND THEIR OWN COUNTRIES.
WHEN THEY WATCH US SITTING AT
THE TABLE WITH THE RUSSIANS
WHILE THEY ARE KILLING WOMEN
AND CHILDREN ON BRIDGES IN
UKRAINE THEY SHAKE THEIR HEADS.
IT IS NUTTY TO THINK WE WOULD
ALLOW THE RUSSIANS TO
PARTICIPATE OR IN THE END WE
WOULD LIFT THE TERROR
DESIGNATIONS ON THE REINS
TRYING TO KILL PEOPLE ACROSS
THE WORLD.
THIS IS A FOREIGN POLICY
LARGELY INCOME PRESENT
HENCEIBLE TO NOT ONLY TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE BUT FOLKS IN
ASIA AS WELL.
WE NEED TO GO BACK TO FIRST
PRINCIPLES.
CENTRAL IDEAS WE’VE HELD AS OUR
DETERRENCE MODEL UNDER REAGAN
AND TRUMP WHICH WERE EFFECTIVE.
SAME WAY WE WERE IN THIS VERY
HOTEL PRESIDENT TRUMP MEETING
AT THE SUMMIT IF JUNE OF 18
WITH KIM.
THEY UNDERSTOOD AMERICA WAS
SERIOUS AND DEFEND THE THINGS
THAT MATTERED TO US MOST AND BE
CLEAR ABOUT OUR OBJECTIVES SAND
CLEAR ABOUT THE LIMITS OF OUR
POWER AS WELL BUT THE THINGS
THAT MATTERED TO US WE WOULD
DEFEND WITH ENORMOUS VIGOR.
>> IN LIGHT OF THAT TO DANA’S
POINT ABOUT THIS IRAN THING.
JUST ON ITS FACE IT MAKES
AMERICANS WONDER WHAT’S BEHIND
DOOR THREE AND WHO KNOWS WHAT
IS HAPPENING IN VIENNA.
SECURITY FOR UKRAINE.
HOW MUCH SUPPORT DO YOU GIVE
THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT WHEN
YOU HAD THE CHANCE IN THE TRUMP
ADMINISTRATION?
>> I HAD TWO OPPORTUNITIES IF
TWO DIFFERENT ROLES.
THE FIRST ONE WHEN I WAS C.I.A.
DIRECTOR I TRAVELED TO THE
DONBAS TO MAKE SURE OUR
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY WAS
SHARING EVERYTHING WE COULD FOR
UKRAINE TO DEFEND THAT PART OF
THE COUNTRY BEFORE THE CONFLICT.
WE DEVELOPED AN INTRACAT DEEP
SET OF INTELLIGENCE
RELATIONSHIP TO MAKE SURE THEY
HAVE THE INFO THEY NEED TO
DEFEND THEMSELVES AND WE BEGAN
NOT UNTIL I WAS SECRETARY OF
STATE TO DELIVER REAL DEAL
IMPORTANT EQUIPMENT TO THE
UKRAINIANS.
IF YOU LOOK BACK AND THINK
MAYBE WE COULD HAVE DONE MORE
BUT WE DID MORE THAN ANY
ADMINISTRATION EVER HAD AND THE
KIND OF EQUIPMENT THAT NOT ONLY
WAS USEFUL BUT TRAIN ON REDLY.
IMPORTANT NOT TO GIVE THEM
THINGS THEY CAN’T USE.
WE GAVE THEM THE KINDS OF
THINGS YOU SEE THEM NOW DEPLOY
AND GAVE THEM THE TRAINING TO
USE IT AS WELL.
>> Dana: MR. SECRETARY, THANK
YOU.
>> FROM SINGAPORE MIKE POMPEO.