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from Patriots booth in our here with me Shannon Robb.
I've known Shannon a long time he's one of the most switched on guys
I know in the industry especially when we're talking about memory
and the reason I'm here with patriot and talking to Shannon
is because I'm just a dumb ass and I need to know
how do I get my motherboard to run the clocks
at the highest clocks or the tightest time as I can?
A lot of people that they just they think they can buy a motherboard,
they can buy the RAM and think they can do it.
But I want to know from you if that really works.
So like for me, I'm kind of the person that I need to buy
a two dimm board instead of a four Dimm board, I go to two DIMMs
I can now we're in a hancock's is that necessary?
What are the advantages disadvantages of that?
Well, it depends on what you're like defining as higher clocks
because you can run on four dam boards
like up to 7400 rather easy on most ports on 13 gen intel platforms.
Now if you're talking AMD, we all know the cut off at an expo
is pretty much 6200.
That's about where it's going to be happy hour.
But if you're talking Intel about 7400 on a four dam board,
most of them will be pretty safe.
And the great part is like our DDR five comes with three profiles.
So even if you pick up a 7400 kit, it'll have a 7200 and a 7000 profile
just to ensure you have a fallback for stability and compatibility.
But it is true if you want, if you're pushing for like world record
overclock sort of push let's say above 7600 up to 8000
like our extreme five, you're definitely going to want something to you
board or 110 per channel board one DPC that would be something like the apex,
the Z 790 DART Kingpin, the C7 attack Eon, or even like the little MSI ATX Board.
Most boards only have one slot per channel is going to run a higher speed
because once you have four dimm slots, they basically, whether t topology or
daisy chain, you have an extra trace that basically leads to that other slot
that can screw up the timings or not the actual memory timings,
but the timing of signals.
So it basically chops off the top anywhere from 200 to 600 megahertz
of your available or I should say mega transfers or,
you know, 2 to 600 mega transfers off of the top of what you're capable of
your speed would be some 14 boards like for example I have actually tried
on the Z 790 classified as a 14 board but since it's
got that rotated layout with a memory with that dimm slots very close,
those can actually run up to 8000 with really good stability.
But it's going to be tough still because once you get up to that speed,
you do got to have a good processor and a good internal memory controller.
I am,
yeah, because that is the other thing,
because a lot of consumers, they see I go out and buy this 8000 kit.
That's all I got to do.
There's more to it, right.
There's the CPU qualities mattering here, the AM seasons mattering.
How much of a difference is it matter?
Should I, should I be concerned?
Like I've been told by some vendors, like I think they were joking,
but it sounded pretty bad that like one out of a hundred quarantines may hit 8000.
Then I have the best luck in the world because I haven't a large quantity of
chips at this point because all of our memory is actually hand tested on systems.
So we do bend a lot of chips to triumph and out of a large quantity,
we I will tell you that up to around 7800, pretty much all of them will run.
And then you have a very small quantity, I would say probably
in the single digit range that won't run 8000.
And then once you get to like 8200 or like 8400,
you'll start to see that our feet obviously exponentially increase.
But that also is affected by everything from the silicon quality of the IMC,
even to the thermal thermals you're using if your IMC is getting warm
because you know you're running the whole 32 threads on 3900 K,
it's going to heat up that IMC, which means the ability for it to push
harder is going to go lower.
So the better cooling you have.
But then you also have bio support.
Let's say you have a good shoot in board still.
You got to have a great bios and those are constantly being tuned.
So you may go from running only 8000 to 8200 with a simple biosafety benefit,
but it sounds like cooling does matter because I never thought about that.
If you're running in, say, a lower end air cooler,
you might not do as well as a high custom loop. Or
C for think of it, think of it the same as for overclocking.
Basically, you're overclocking the memory of the memory controllers controlling or
dealing with that overclocking or paying for the memory.
It has to deal with those transactions.
So just like when you overclock your core,
you know, once you reach a certain thermal limit, it stops clocking well.
Well, once you start getting that CPU hotter, like with a
I don't want to say cheaper, but a more mainstream air cooler,
you'll notice that something like that, once the CPU starts to get warmer,
you'll start to see
a very precipitous fall off of your available high memory states.
Okay.
You know, actually thinking about
this is a question I get a lot from people.
How much does Cuyo matter?
So if I had a friend recently, somebody says, Hey,
I'm a believer in shovel now I just bought off all
and he felt that was enough to make him say for the memory he's selected.
Is that going to be true? Or for the most part?
A The El is actually a very safe bet.
That's why we do our own internal cabal.
One of the
biggest problems, I think, is just how they're hollow reality,
because we go through
very stringent testing to ensure, like if we queue the board, we know 100%,
like we test even some of the worst CPU's to ensure it'll run that speed.
So that's kind of where we land on that as far as like as far as like
XP certification, that's even a tougher one
because you can self-certify or depending on how the process works, it's
we have a very close relationship with all our partners,
whether it's Andy Intel, even our board partners.
We ship them DIMMs as well
so that they can test them and validate them in the same way
because they have more tools
as far as the motherboard side to work with than we do.
Obviously, because we're a memory
we build in house all of our memory, but still we don't build motherboards.
So a lot of the internal
knobs and switches that they have, we don't necessarily have access to.
But some vendors self-report.
Well, that's like me giving my own grade in school.
Well, I mean, reality is I can put anything on our website.
I could say that the 8000 runs on a DDR three board,
What's to stop us from saying?
But at the end of the day,
I try to work with our partners and make sure that they fully can say
that, hey, these run well on our system because I saying it, that's great.
But that's like me saying that that kit will hit 15,000 mega transistors.
That's why we sent them to Overclockers so they can show you
just like when you asked me, you said, How will it go?
I said, I'll send you a set.
You told me I don't want to be that marketing guy
that makes this like, bogus claim of, Oh, it'll do all this crazy stuff.
I want you to show people.
I want you to show these people what they do.
Okay. The other big question
is about Expo XP,
Intel's XP, and these Expo.
Do I really need to care as a consumer?
Should I, should I like?
I think most people are going I have and have Expo.
I have Intel, I buy XP.
Do they have to do I have to worry about it?
Yeah, that's actually a fun question because most boards
have a translation layer so that if you have like an action packet
it will be able to translate most of that to apply a profile that's safe.
However, it's not going to be optimal.
For example, like for like ACS has AMP, it does a really good job of translating
that XP into an expo like thing, but you'll notice the Expo modules
tend to be, but you'll notice that better latency, lower nanoseconds
overall better performance because it's specifically tuned for that platform.
You know, that's what we did in order to ensure we avoid that kind of situation
all the way up to 6200 on any of our kids that we offer.
DDR five have both XP and Expo profiles.
So whichever cap system you have, you've got it covered.
But if you do, let's say let's say you have an X and PD verified kit
and you decided to pick up an M five system for whatever reason,
you could plug them in, you're going to run just fine.
Are you going to lose a modicum of performance?
You know, maybe a couple of percent, maybe.
But at the end of the day, I mean, you're going to lose that
from a variation of other things, including thermals. Anyway.
So that's not necessarily the end of the world.
Well, I mean, unless you're
looking for that upper echelon of every little tiny bit of performance,
but then at that point you're going, what with the TSC liquid cooler,
you're going with a phase change just to make sure you get maximum performance.
Otherwise you're giving something up along the way.
Okay.
Another question, because it kind of brings up
the the order that you buy stuff. Okay.
So I think most consumers buy the CPU,
then they buy the motherboard or they buy it all at one.
Is it?
And then you get the ram.
The ram is always like the last thing that goes, I'm sorry,
Ram Vendor The Ram is always the last thing that you pick.
Do you think that's kind of backwards?
Like maybe you should buy the RAM
and sort of build your board and other purchases around it
if you're trying to get those really high clocks are take time.
It's funny enough, actually, I agree with buying RAM
at a later stage and it simply because RAM is always evolving.
So while let's say, for example, I know plenty of people who
they buy parts in stages, so hey,
you know, let's say, for example, I'm going to buy my CPU this week
and next month I'm buying a motherboard, whatever.
During that time, you could have a better, better compatibility ram kit.
Your board could have got a BIOS update, it supports better RAM,
whatever it may be.
We always have new options coming out that may be even better.
So I'm all for buying things in the correct positioning because
most motherboards, once they're out, they're out.
You're not,
you know,
you're gonna get bios updates,
but you're not going to release the next board for that same CPU
that you're suddenly going to go gaga over and want to change.
So RAM is one that you can absolutely wait a little bit
until you're ready to build.
You could buy it like, you know, buy it, let's say off Amazon
and have it show up the next day and build your system.
That's totally fine.
It's not going to hurt anything because,
I mean, unless stock runs out, then that kind of sucks.
But otherwise it gives you options
because RAM is probably one of the most flexible options you have.
There's a lot of speed bends, there's a lot of ups,
there's a lot of options, but it's arguably not our
to depending on your esthetic.
Let's say, for example, like our new Harley five, they come in white, right?
We just released that. Let's say you were building up a system
and you were just about to buy that memory.
You come in and see that and you go, okay, I'm going to wait
three weeks for it to come out because my systems, all white teams
now I've got that
that kind of thing is hugely beneficial because RAM,
like I said, is constantly variable.
It's constantly moving, it's in flux.
And it actually brings up a really good point because
if you dive into the depths of the Internet enough,
the memory fuel, you'll get into the people
that start talking about their day of the month, the flavor of the month die.
I thought I thought, you're going to bring up Reddit or something.
You know, Reddit. I love Reddit.
I said, You said depths of Internet.
I'm thinking like, what's going to happen?
But I love Reddit because but again, you get people like,
I like this die, I like that died that day.
Should a regular person care about it?
What is it?
What's the actual meaning impact of the caring about the die?
If you're looking to do tweaking and tuning,
then absolutely you're going to want to consider things like die.
If you're building a gaming rig.
Honestly, by the specs, it's going to match your setup
and you're going to be golden
unless you're looking to tweak, tune,
overclock, push the limits, whatever it may be.
For example, a DVR if I've started with them, but die
and you know, most of those go around, let's say 6200, maybe even 64,
6000 good enough for most people, especially 12th gen platforms.
Let's say you about software platform to upgrade the 13th
that IMDB is going to run great on 13.
Jan Now let's say you're buying a search engine platform Apex
and you're looking to break world records,
then you're absolutely going to get something based on a die
because that's going to be your best opportunity to really jump up.
And now you've got some new dice coming out that are the nonstandard
which is, you know, the new 30, 96, I believe, die versus the 2048.
So now you're seeing the 24 and 48 gig modules.
That's going to change things up a bit.
But in reality,
unless you're doing some overclocking, tweaking and tuning,
if you're plugging it in and setting Expo or XP and playing
games, Die Choice really isn't going to matter for you.
You're not it's not going to be the end all.
Tell all for any of your real performance.
The only thing that's really going to affect it once again,
a modicum of overtaking single digit couple percent on like it
your values or
unless you're doing heavy number crunching
maybe you might see a small percentage difference.
But let's be real.
Most people that we're talking to right now,
they're going to be playing their games, going to be enjoying them.
And you don't feel free to disagree. Guys, I'm done.
I'm cool with that.
But at the end of the day, the reality is if you can buy a kit,
set his profile and run it for the most people, it's going to be perfectly fine.
If you want a twist,
if you want to turn the knobs and you're looking to do crazy over clocks,
you pretty much already know what you're buying.
Yeah, because if you're doing that level, either
you're learning it,
which means you're reading a lot of forums,
a lot of people like people that I know and people you know,
that do all this tweaking, tuning and overclocking.
So you're going to be able
to get that kind of advice and be able to figure out, you know,
whether which teammates you want to look for,
which piece of your build type you want to look for,
you know, how many layers it is.
What I see is it has all these different things,
whether it's, you know, easy to disassemble
so you can do liquid nitrogen on it, whatever it may be.
Those are all considerations are going to make.
But for everyday users, they don't care about that, or at least
if they feel like they should.
I'm going to tell you they probably shouldn't.
I mean, unless you're looking to do something
crazy for esthetics, it's not going to matter.
Hmm. Okay.
We're almost to the end here because he's got he's got business.
He has a handle.
I want to know, how much does temperature matter with our five?
Do I need to really keep these cool liquid, cool it or chronic crazy?
You mean like the memory or what?
Actual ram itself.
Okay, the RAM, as long it's got airflow over it, you're pretty much okay.
The hottest part on the Ram is going to be the pigment,
which is why we actively coolers we have are not actively, but we actually have a
thermal pad that connects it to a six hour heat spreader.
The reason we do that, too, the heat shield is so that it will transfer that
heat away from it.
In the cooler you keep that, the more you can, the more you'll get good
voltage stability and good overall performance and overclocking capability.
However, if you're setting it for a regular gaming rig and just set it and go,
you know, you're not pushing like, let's say 8000, it transfers, let's say
you're doing a 7400 kit, it'll get warm, but you'll never really know a difference.
You wouldn't know it unless you're touching it. Oh, that's hot.
But it doesn't matter.
It's kind of like a backplate on a graphics card.
Okay.
And you know, I'm too dumb, but a mic is.
I know what it is, but I just wanted to explain it.
Oh, power management.
I see. So, ddr5.
Unlike your previous 204d here, three
you used to have the motherboard would have the little VRM
next to the 24 pin on most cases, and it would control your power.
It would convert it down to whatever 1.4 or four volts or 1.45 volts or whatever
AC or whatever that D ram's profile or whatever you set it for.
Now, when you said it in bios,
you have a direct five volt feet into the dimm and then that PMA
circuit will actually feed outward to the eye, sees the correct voltage.
It's supposed to be a matter of fact. We can actually show it right here.
This is a Pemex circuit.
So basically the five volt comes into here, converts out and pushes, let's
say, to like 1.1 volt for this specific like data kit, but then also up
to, let's say 1.4 or 51.5 volts for like a super high end kit.
But it does get hot, but it's not so hot.
You got to freak out about it.
Well, no, because like this one, 1.1 volts, it's not crazy,
but it gets warm, but it's not hot enough
that it's going to cost the building problems.
Otherwise we'd have a heat shield.
Okay, where where we burn these things in like crazy.
If we had a problem with it sitting like that, we would definitely it would have.
It would have a solution for it. Okay.
And the last question I have is how much does the RGV make the RAM go faster?
RGV makes everything faster. Does it?
Does you get you get like plus 200 rpm on a fan by adding our drivetrain.
And also that's why why you think our RGV undergoing
kit for cars man we're both car guys come on you got.
That's why RGV gets a lot of hate.
But you see, it actually works in performance.
Well, you just have, I think it's faster, it's faster.
Stickers, ten horsepower per sticker.
Think about this.
Heat shield. Heat shield.
They must add, what, two 300 mega transfers to definitely take hit?
Definitely.
Actually, in some cases is actually true because it keeps things cooler.
So I actually joked it fell on say, Oh, congratulations,
you're supposed to screw up like that. How come I get it?
No, I do it.
I you know, it's
it's a lot because it really is a lot now when you're buying memory.
And so I'm trying to come up with I've known you too long.
This is wrong.
It's the it's getting near the end to copy text.
But it was for the double for me.
I got another day and I'm on the big bird out of here, so.
But anyway, can I go in your luggage for.
Yeah, it's hot here.
Help since send water, please.
Anyway, thanks for coming on, Shannon.
Rob again, Patriot memory.
You can buy their memory.
You don't have to. He's not going to tell. You have to
buy what's best for your system.
And if you find something that matches your esthetic and it's not.
RS Cool.
You know what?
As long as you have fun and that's why we do this, we do this
so you can have a good time and have, you know, a good running system.
Cool. Thanks.
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