>> Following the State of Georgia passing the fetal heartbeat bill into law, of course,
the conversation about that legislation and now law was had on the view.
And what's interesting is, how Meghan McCain supposedly supports the legislation in this
next video and how she supposedly supports scientific evidence for the legislation.
Take a look.
>> Honestly, I think, what we need to do on this conversation is I like to see much more
doctors and medical experts involved.
>> Well, yeah.
>> Get it out of the politics.
>> By the way, it overwhelmingly shows that life does start at conception.
The science backs it.
And Liberals always want to believe science when it comes to climate change and things
like that.
When it comes to life.
>> That is your belief.
That is your belief.
>> You don't believe science.
>> This is what I don't want to do.
Don't say you don't believe, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying, I don't believe that the minute you conceive, you are with child.
What I don't want is I don't want anyone telling me what I have to feel and believe, and that's
my problem.
>> A nuance there when you're talking about >> Later, you mad?
>> We have to include that last part that talks to the break, you mad, anyway.
>> Was it about Meghan?
>> Probably, I mean the eye rolls are nonstop.
But I just have a quick message for Meghan.
Look, I just wish that you were honest about your real views on abortion.
Because her public statements about abortion are very different from her private statements
about abortion.
So I'm just putting that out there because I think it's important for you to be honest,
because women's lives and livelihood is really being jeopardized here by you trying to win
political brownie points by conservatives by saying things that you don't actually believe.
So I'm just putting that out there.
>> Wow.
>> Secondly, I know, shots fired, but I think it's important to call out people's dishonesty.
>> So that happened.
>> So secondly, I just want to talk about the science a little bit because there's the
conservative version of pseudoscience.
And then there's actual doctors who are medically trained, OB-GYNs, who have the real science.
And we're going to hear from them in just a second, but I wanted to toss to you, Jay.
>> Yeah, so look.
When she says science says that life begins at conception, it depends on what you mean.
I actually don't dismiss that out of hand, partly because I used to believe that.
And there's an argument to be made for that.
But what you cannot claim is that independent life begins at conception, cuz it doesn't.
So Anna's going to tell you about what the so called heartbeat means, but I'll tell you
this.
I had a guest on the program a little while ago.
She's now a published author at the age of 10.
She wrote a novel that started when she was nine years old.
She's unbelievable and she was a premature baby.
She was born at 27 weeks and we talked about it when I interviewed her, right?
She's born one and a half pounds.
At 27 weeks she barely, barely survived, had to get open heart surgery, born one and a
half pounds, that's at 27 weeks.
At six weeks, you think they're an independent, human life form?
Nobody actually believes that, right?
They don't have arms, they don't have legs, they actually don't even have a heart.
No one believes that, so for Meghan McCain who doesn't even necessarily believe in climate
change and the entire Republican party doesn't believe in climate change, you try to hide
behind science?
Hilarious.
>> So let's hear from actual doctors, OB-GYNs on this issue.
So the whole notion of this law that was passed in Georgia and some other red states is, hey,
it's six weeks.
You can hear the heartbeat and it would be wrong to terminate that pregnancy if there's
a heartbeat, but the whole notion that it's a heartbeat Is questionable, to say the least.
So, let me give you actual quotes from Jennifer Kerns.
She is an OB-GYN at UC San Francisco.
She tells Wired magazine, quote, at six weeks, the embryo is forming what will eventually
develop into mature systems.
There's an immature neurological system, and there's a very immature cardiovascular system.
Now, look, this is stuff that we all now, but we got to lay it out for you and conservatives
specifically.
She continues to say.
The rhythm specified in the six-week abortion bans, is a group of cells with electrical
activity.
That's what the heartbeat is at that stage of gestation.
We are in no way talking about any kind of cardiovascular system.
So again, to say that there's a heartbeat, there's a heartbeat, is just demonstrably
false.
>> There isn't even a heart.
>> Yeah.
>> A heart is what you know is inside your body and pumps blood to all the different
parts.
And it's part of the cardiovascular system.
All they have is literally a clump of cells that is called a cardiac rhythm, okay?
It is detecting electrical activity in what is called a rudimentary group of cells.
That is not a heart like you and I have in our bodies.
That does not do the same functions.
Again, at six weeks, they don't have arms, they don't have legs, they don't have a head.
>> Yeah, so let me give you the entirety of that statement and that comes from a different
OB-GYN named Sarah Horvath.
And she says quote, what's really happening at that point is that our ultrasound technology
has gotten good enough to be able to detect electrical activity in a rudimentary group
of cells.
She gives us more later but I want to give you this quote from Adam Rogers from Wired.
He writes, science doesn't seem to be a strong point of many states' anti-abortion bills.
You might have read about an additional bill Ohio is considering that would ban most birth
control and require these surgical reimplantation of ectopic pregnancies, a dangerous to the
mother condition in which an embryo implants somewhere other than the uterus.
That's not something scientists know how to do.
So they're writing legislation based on something that doctors are unable to do.
They cannot reimplant an embryo.
They just can't do it.
There's no scientific evidence that they can do it.
There's been absolutely no medical breakthrough indicating that they can do it.
But you have these conservative lawmakers in states like Ohio that are writing legislation
without even understanding the science behind what they're pushing for.
>> I have a suggestion for when.
So, now look, it's not their issue.
They're not the ones writing these bills.
It's right wing legislators, etc.
They could say, hey, listen, you want to take care of it?
Okay, take it out of my body, you raise it.
It's six weeks old, it's just a blob, right?
It has no head, okay, but you got it, it's all yours.
It's not an independent life form, and so I get to make the decision.
If you don't want me to do make the decision, you take it and you figure out what to do
with it.
And if you could figure out the science to have it be viable, okay.
Actually, literally, no problem, okay.
But there is no such science.
And so, you can't take that decision away from the mom.
Cuz they can't exist outside the mom.
So anyway, back to Meghan McCain.
The idea that she understands any of the science is laughable.
And the right wing leaning on science?
Hilarious.
And but with Meghan, it's always the sense of entitlement.
She went on to say there how there is no gray zone in allowing murder in America.
Murder?
Okay, first of all.
Again, I don't know exactly what Anna is referring to but apparently they had a private conversation
where she did not share similar points of view about this.
>> Correct.
>> Okay, and then Ana Navarro, at one point says, I'm not passing judgement on you.
And Megan McCain says, it's okay if you are, everyone else does.
But you just called them murderers, and then you get all huffy and do the classic McCain
eye roll when they say, I'm not even passing judgement on you.
Yes, you are, you're passing judgement at me, murderer!
But you're passing judgement on me.
Cuz it's not about the women, it's not about the laws.
It's always about Meghan McCain.
Unbearable.