LEAVE ANY ALIVE.
WE WILL KILL EVERY SINGLE
INVADER.
COOL >> DESPITE THE REPEATED
CALLS FROM UKRAINIAN PEOPLE AND
ITS LEADERS TO ENFORCE THIS NO
FLY ZONE OVER THE COUNTRY, THE
UNITED STATES AND NATO REMAIN
RESISTANT TO THAT IDEA.
BUT ONE NATO ALLY IS TRYING TO
ASSIST UKRAINE IN THE SKIES IN
A DIFFERENT WAY.
TODAY, POLAND ANNOUNCED THAT IT
WOULD BE TRANSFERRING ITS
ENTIRE FLEET OF MIG-29 JET
FIGHTERS TO THE U.S. AIRBASE IN
GERMANY WHERE THE EXPECTATION
THAT THE UNITED STATES WILL
THEN DONATE THOSE JETS TO
UKRAINE, WHOSE FIGHTER PILOTS
KNOW HOW TO FLY THE RUSSIAN
MADE MIG-29.
THIS IS NOT JUST A LOGISTICAL
QUAGMIRE, BUT IT'S A SERIOUS
RISK OF TRIGGERING RUSSIA'S
RETALIATION AGAINST UNITED
STATES FOR ASSISTING THE
UKRAINIAN MILITARY EFFORT.
THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT THREW
COLD WATER ON POLICE REVERSAL
TONIGHT SAYING IT DOES NOT
BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A CLEAR
RATIONALE TO TRANSFER JETS FROM
A NATO COUNTRY INTO UKRAINIAN
COME FREAKED, AND THE UNITED
STATES IS NOT CONVINCED THAT
THIS PLAN IS TENABLE.
TODAY, PRESIDENT BIDEN DID
ANNOUNCE THAT THE UNITED STATES
WOULD BAN THE IMPORT OF RUSSIAN
OIL AND NATURAL GAS INTO THE
COUNTRY.
THE UK SAID TODAY IT WILL DO
THE SAME THING BY THE END OF
THE YEAR.
EXPORTING OIL AND GAS, KEEPING
IN MIND, THIS IS HOW RUSSIA
MAKES ITS MONEY.
THIS IS GOING TO HIT RUSSIA
WHERE IT HURTS THE MOST.
UKRAINIANS PRESIDENT, VOLODYMYR
ZELENSKYY, PRAISED THE MOVE IN
A VIDEO RELEASED THIS EVENING.
HE SAID HE'S PERSONALLY
THANKFUL TO PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR
MAKING THIS DECISION THAT WILL,
OVERWHELMING MILITARY STRIKE,
RICK RADIANCE TONIGHT REMAINS
AGAIN AND THEY ARE DETERMINED
TO FIGHT.
JOINING US LIVE FROM UKRAINE'S
ANDRZEJ'S OF BARACK, HE IS THE
FORMER UKRAINIAN MINISTER OF
DEFENSE AS WELL AS THE CHAIRMAN
OF THE SECURITY THINK TANK
CENTER FOR A DEFENSE
STRATEGIES.
SIR, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH
US TONIGHT.
I DO HAVE TO ASK YOU, EVERYONE
I'VE TALKED TO IN THE
GOVERNMENT, THE UKRAINIAN
GOVERNMENT, CANNOT BE MORE
PROUD OF THE RESISTANCE, THE
CIVILIAN RESISTANCE, THE
TERRITORIAL DEFENSE, AND THE
ACTIONS OF THE UKRAINIAN
DEFENSE FORCES, BUT THEY HAVE
ALL SAID UKRAINE CANNOT
WITHSTAND THE POWER OF RUSSIA
WITHOUT MORE HELP FROM THE
WEST.
NOW WE HAVE HEARD THE DEFENSE
DEPARTMENT IN THE UNITED STATES
SAY THIS PLANE TRADE WITH
POLAND IS NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO
HAPPEN.
I WANT TO GET YOUR REACTION TO
THAT FIRST.
>> YES, WELL, WE WERE QUITE
WELCOMING THE MOVE OF POLAND
AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY
SHOULD NOT HAPPEN.
IF ONE COUNTRY WANTS TO HELP
ITS NEIGHBOR AND TRANSFER THE
EQUIPMENT, U.S. HAS BEEN
TRANSFERRING HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
EQUIPMENTS OF ALL KINDS.
SO WHY CANNOT IT BE PLANES?
CIVILIANS --
I SINCERELY HOPE, THIS IS
RELATIVELY RECENT NEWS FROM
TONIGHT, BUT I SINCERELY HOPE
THAT THE U.S. WASN'T SERIOUS
ABOUT SAYING NO THAT WE WON'T
GET PLANES.
WE BELIEVE THAT THIS WILL BE
CONSIDERED --
>> YOU KNOW --
SORRY, WE WILL BE SPEAKING TO
LIEUTENANT CARL WE IN A MINUTE,
BUT HE SAID SOMETHING THE OTHER
DAY, THINGS WITHOUT WERE
UNTHINKABLE TWO WEEKS AGO, WILL
BE REAL TODAY.
THINGS THAT ARE UNTHINKABLE NOW
WILL BE REAL IN TWO WEEKS.
SO WHAT KIND OF CREATIVE
THINKING CAN YOU SUGGEST TO THE
WEST, TO NATO, TO THE UNITED
STATES TO SAY, LOOK, IF YOU
DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A DIRECT
FIGHTING WAR WITH RUSSIA, HERE
ARE THE OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU
MIGHT CONSIDER?
>> YES, THE OPTIONS WERE
FIGHTING, WITH THE FIGHTER JETS
THEIR --
FORCE CAPABILITY.
ALSO THE TRANSFERRING OF AIR
DEFENSE TO PROTECT OUR SKIES
MORE AND ALSO TO HAVE WITH
UNLIMITED RANGE, ENOUGH LIVES
ZONE, AT LEAST IN SOME PART OF
THE COUNTRY, WHERE WE CAN
GUARANTEE WHERE PEOPLE WILL
FEEL SAFE.
BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THERE IS NO
SUCH PLACE IN UKRAINE WHERE
PEOPLE FEEL SAFE.
AND THAT CREATES POSSIBLY A
MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM, OF
POSSIBLY TENS OF MILLIONS OF
REFUGEES.
SO UKRAINIAN FORCES ARE NOW
QUITE SUCCESSFUL ON THE GROUND.
AND ACTUALLY, THEY CASUALTIES
FROM RUSSIA IS OVER --
WELL OVER 10,000.
AND THEY'RE ALSO WOUNDED
SOLDIERS FROM RUSSIA, TENS OF
THOUSANDS ALREADY.
SO ACTUALLY, GROUND CAPABILITY
AND MANPOWER QUIP CAPABILITY IS
REDUCED.
BUT THEY STILL HAVE A
SUBSTANTIAL ADVANTAGE IN THE
SKY.
AND THEY USE IT OVER AND OVER
AGAIN, AS WE CAN SEE ON THE
CIVILIAN INFRASTRUCTURE, OVER
AGAIN.
EVERY NIGHT, EVERY DAY.
SO THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED,
INDEED.
ME >> WHAT IS THE THING YOU
THINK IS GOING TO CONVINCE YOUR
WESTERN NEIGHBORS AND NATO TO
DO SOMETHING?
YOU JUST HEARD RICHARD ENGEL
TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT A
HOSPITAL HAS HAD TO BE
EVACUATED, WE CONTINUE TO SEE
CONFIRMED REPORTS OF CIVILIAN
CASUALTIES, ATTACKS THAT LOOK
LIKE, IN SOME CASES, THEY ARE
DELIBERATE.
SOME OF THEM ARE THE
CIRCUMSTANCE OF BOMBING AND
MISSILES, BUT SOME OF THEM SEEM
TO BE DELIBERATE ATTACKS ON
CIVILIANS.
THESE ARE WAR CRIMES IF THEY
ARE TRUE.
IS THAT THE THING THAT IS GOING
TO CONVINCE THE WEST TO SAY,
LOOK, AT THE VERY LEAST, CREATE
HUMANITARIAN CORRIDORS TO LET
OUR PEOPLE TRAVEL, OR LET THEM
OUT?
>> EXACTLY.
AND HUMANITARIAN CORRIDORS AND
HUMANITARIAN ZONES, SOME SORT
OF PROTECTED AREAS.
BUT HONESTLY SPEAKING, MOST OF
THESE SHELLING'S HAVE NOTHING
TO DO WITH THE WAR EFFORT.
THEY'RE JUST TERRORIZING
CIVILIANS.
THEY'VE BEEN SHELLING LOTS OF
BUILDINGS WHICH ARE NOT EVEN
CLOSE TO THE MILITARY BASES.
AND THEY ARE WAR CRIMES, AND OF
COURSE WE HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH
EVIDENCE OF THAT.
FROM ALL DIFFERENT TOWNS AND
VILLAGES, AND SO ON.
SO YES, THERE ARE SOLUTIONS AND
U.S. DIPLOMATS AND U.S. EXPERTS
AND THE MILITARY PERSONNEL,
WILL THEY DO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
COULD BE DONE.
SO I BELIEVE IT'S JUST FORMING
A POLICY ABOUT THAT AND MAKING
DECISION.
BECAUSE EVERY DAY DECISIONS
DELAY, WE SEE THE CASUALTIES
MOUNTING.
>> OF COURSE, WE SEE MORE
REFUGEES STREAMING OVER THE