>> STEPHEN: MY NEXT GUEST TONIGHT IS THE AUTHOR OF FIVE
NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING BOOKS, INCLUDING "THE TIPPING
POINT," "BLINK," AND "OUTLIERS."
HE NOW HAS A NEW PODCAST CALLED "REVISIONIST HISTORY."
PLEASE WELCOME, MALCOLM GLADWELL!
(BAND PLAYING) >> Stephen: GOOD TO SEE YOU
AGAIN.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> Stephen: HAVEN'T SEEN YOU FOR A FEW YEARS.
ALWAYS FUN TO TALK TO YOU.
FOR A LIVING, YOU SAY THINGS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVEN'T
THOUGHT OF BEFORE.
>> YOU'RE SETTING THE BAR AWFULLY HIGH.
>> Stephen: NO PRESSURE.
(LAUGHTER) , BUT "BLINK," TH TH THE TIPPING
POINT, YOU'VE SOLD A LOT OF BOOKS.
IF IT DOESN'T WORK, YOU HAVE FOOLED A LOT OF PEOPLE,
INCLUDING ME.
YOU SHOULD WRITE ABOUT HOW YOU DO THAT.
>> THIS IS MY THIRD TIME -- NO, FOURTH TIME.
I WAS ON THE THE OTHER SHOW.
>> Stephen: FIRST TIME OVER HERE.
>> REPEAT GUEST.
>> Stephen: YOU ARE A RHPEAT GUEST.
NOT HERE.
WE'LL SEE.
(LAUGHTER) WELL, I'VE GOT TO ASK YOU A
QUESTION.
YOU'VE GOT A NEW POD T.S.A.
CALLED "REVISIONIST HISTORY" WHICH I'M VERY INTERESTED IN.
WHY DO A PODCAST?
YOU'RE ONE OF THE LAST GUYS THAT SELLS BOOKS.
YOU AND J.K. ROWLING AND THEN MY COOKBOOKS.
(LAUGHTER) >> THIS IS WHAT HI FRIEND
CHARLES ALWAYS SAYS YOU THINK WITH YOUR EYES AND YOU FEEL WITH
YOUR EARS.
IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT -- >> Stephen: HOLD ON.
(LAUGHTER) THINK EYES, FEEL EARS.
>> THINK ABOUT IT, YOU WRITE A BOOK, YOU CAN COMMUNICATE
COMPLICATED IDEAS AND PEOPLE BE GRASP PEM, BUT YOU CAN'T MOVE
PEOPLE EMOTIONALLY.
IT'S VERY HARD.
>> Stephen: WHAT!
HAVE YOU READ A BOOK?
YOUR BOOKS MAKE YOU THINK.
>> THINK OF HOW MUCH EASIER IT IS TO MAKE A PERSON LAUGH IN
PERSON.
LAUGHING IS NOT THE BAR.
THE HIGH BAR IS CRYING.
TEARS, MAKING SOMEONE CRY -- >> Stephen: I DISAGREE.
YOU THINK IT'S EASIER TO MAKE SOMEONE LAUGH THAN CRY?
ARE YOU CRAZY?
>> Stephen: YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE PEOPLE CRY.
EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH SO PEOPLE PRACTICE IT
MORE.
>> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THERE IS FIVE MOMENTS IN MY TEN
EPISODES OF "REVISIONIST HISTORY" WHERE I'M ALMOST
CERTAIN PEOPLE WILL CRY.
I CRY JUST WHEN I THINK ABOUT THOSE MOMENTS THAT'S SUCH A
POWERFUL THING.
>> Stephen: WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS BETTER THAN WHAT I DO FOR A
LIVING.
(LAUGHTER) >> NO NO, NO NO.
(APPLAUSE) StepheWHAT WAS THE MOST POWERFUL
INTERVIEW YOU DID WITH JAVIER?
>> Stephen: HE SHARED HIS OWN EXPERIENCE ABOUT FACING DEATH.
>> THAT'S WHAT YOU REMEMBERED.
YOU COULD DO THAT INTERVIEW A THOUSAND TIMES AND YOU WILL
LAUGH A THOUSAND TIMES BUT THE THING YOU WILL REMEMBER IS THAT
ONE MOMENT WHEN HE TOUCHED REAL EMOTION, AND THAT, ON A PODCAST,
YOU COULD DO THAT.
AND WHEN I DISCOVERED THAT, THAT WAS LIKE, WOW, THIS IS SOMETHING
I WANT TO TRY.
>> Stephen: WOW.
YOU'RE GETTING A LITTLE EMOTIONAL.
>> Stephen: WELL, I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHY THAT IS, WHY
THAT MOMENT WAS SO MOVING, AND I THINK IT'S RARE FOR PEOPLE TO
SHARE OF THEMSELVES HONESTLY WITHOUT ANY GUARD.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: I THINK EVERYBODY HAS THE CAPABILITY TO DO THAT
BUT WE'RE SO LOATHE TO DO IT BECAUSE WE PROTECT OURSELVES
FROM EACH OTHER BECAUSE WE'RE AFRAID THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO
HEAR OUR REAL FEELINGS.
>> AND IN A PUBLIC SETTING WHERE HE DOESN'T KNOW ANYONE IN THE
AUDIENCE.
BUT THOSE SORT OF MOMENTS ARE SO INCREDIBLY VALUABLE AND
THEY'RE -- WHEN YOU CAN BREAK THROUGH ALL OF THAT NOISE, WHEN
YOU'RE COMMUNICATING, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL A STORY TO
SOMEBODY -- >> Stephen: HIS STORY ABOUT
SHARING HIS OWN PERSONAL TRIALS IS MORE MOVING THAN ME MAKING
JOKES ABOUT ORLANDO BLOOM'S (BLEEP).
>> YES.
>> Stephen: JUST WANTED TO GET YOU ON RECORD.
>> THERE'S A MOMENT IN MY SECOND TO LAST EPISODE OF MY SHOW WHERE
I'M INTERVIEWING THIS 98-YEAR-OLD MENNONITE PASTOR
FROM LANCASTER COUNTY, BUT THERE IS A MOMENT WHEN HE'S TALKING
AND HE'S DESCRIBING SOMETHING AND HE STARTS TO CRY, AND
EVERYONE IN THE ROOM IS CRYING, AND I'M TRYING NOT TO CRY
BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO CONDUCT AN INTERVIEW ON TAPE, AND I DIDN'T
WANT TO SOB.
BUT IT'S THE SAME THING.
IT'S A MOMENT WHERE HE JUST SORT OF CUTS THROUGH ALL OF THE --
AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S ABSOLUTELY AT THE CENTER
OF HIS OWN KIND OF VALUE SYSTEM AND BELIEF AND I THINK -- THAT
MOMENT MADE THE WHOLE TEN EPISODES WORTH DOING.
>> Stephen: WHAT'S AT THE CENTER OF YOUR BELIEF?
LIKE WHAT IS THE CORE OF MALCOM GLADWELL?
IF I CUT YOU OPEN AND COUNTED THE RINGS, WHAT'S THAT CENTER
RING, MALCOM GLADWELL?
>> I JUST WANT TO EXPLAIN THINGS TO PEOPLE.
>> Stephen: YOU'RE A TEACHER.
I THINK SO, YEAH.
I COME FROM A FAMILY OF TEACHERS.
TEACHERS AND PREACHERS IS BASICALLY WHAT MY FAMILY IS.
YOUR DAD WAS A DOCTOR.
>> Stephen: A DOCTOR, YEAH.
O WE'RE ALL -- >> Stephen: TEACHER, THOUGH,
ACADEMIC.
>> THAT'S THE GLADWELL DNA.
>> Stephen: I NEED YOUR HELP WITH SOMETHING BEFORE WE GO HERE
IS THAT -- WE'RE COMING UP ON THE WEEKEND AND I'M GOING TO BE
GOING TO SOME COCKTAIL PARTIES LIKE YOU DO.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE 98-YEAR-OLD MENNONITES THERE,
BUT THERE WILL BE A PARTY.
(LAUGHTER) I WANT TO SAY, I WAS TALKING TO
MALCOM GLADWELL LAST NIGHT AND HE TOLD ME THIS THING THAT HE
HASN'T SAID TO SOMEBODY ELSE ABOUT, SOMETHING, AND THEY'LL
SAY, DID YOU HEAR, COLBERT TALKS TO MALCOM GLADWELL.
WHAT CAN I DROP AT THE PARTY THIS WEEKEND AND PEOPLE GO
THAT'S THE BEST COCKTAIL CHATTER I'VE EVER HEARD.
BECAUSE YOU'RE COCKTAIL CHATTER BAIT.
WHAT HAVE YOU GOT?
SOMETHING GOOD.
WHAT IF I GOT?
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE -- I'M GOING TO PLUG MY SHOW.
>> Stephen: SURE.
THE SHOWS ARE ALL ABOUT MY OBSESSION ABOUT WHAT'S WRONG
WITH AMERICAN HIGHER EDUCATION.
(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE) HERE'S MY FAVORITE STATISTIC.
>> Stephen: WHAT IS IT?
IF YOU SUM UP THE ENDOWMENTS OF THE SEVEN IVY LEAGUE SCHOOLS
PLUS STANFORD, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THAT COMES TO?
$140 BILLION.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY LOW-INCOME STUDENTS ARE EDUCATED BY THE IVY
LEAGUE PLUS STANFORD?
>> Stephen: WHAT?
11,000.
140 BILLION HERE, 11,000 THERE.
IF YOU CAN TELL ME WHY THAT'S A GOOD THING, I'M ALL EARS.
>> Stephen: DID YOU GO TO AN IVY LEAGUE?
>> UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO.
>> Stephen: I DIDN'T EITHER SO WE'RE BOTH EQUALLY INDIGNANT
ABOUT IT.
>> I WANT TO SEE YOU!
>> Stephen: NEW EPISODES OF "REVISIONIST
HISTORY" ARE AVAILABLE ON ITUNES.
MALCOLM GLADWELL, EVERYBODY!