>> Stephen: YOU GO, GIRL.
PLEASE WELCOME ANNA GUNN!
♪ ♪ ♪ ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> NICE TO SEE YOU.
>> Stephen: THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER WE WERE BOTH IN A
GOOD MOOD BECAUSE WE BOTH WON EMMYS.
YOU WON FOR SKYLAR.
>> I HAD.
>> Stephen: FIRST YEAR?
>> YES.
>> Stephen: FIRST YEAR OF FUN.
AND WE BONDED OVER BOTH GOING TO NORTHWESTERN UNIVERSITY.
>> WE DID.
>> Stephen: I GRADUATED A LITTLE BEFORE YOU DID.
WHERE DID YOU HANG OUT.
YESTERDAY'S?
>> I WENT TO J.B. WIN BERRIES.
>> Stephen: I WAS A WAITER.
>> I WAS A WAITRESS.
THE ARTICHOKE DIP VERY BIG.
>> Stephen: THE THE CAJUN SHRIMP FETTUCINE.
THIS WAS THE 80s.
EVERYTHING WAS BLACKENED IN THE 1980s.
DID YOU WORK FOR CRAIG?
>> I DID!
THAT'S CRAZY, I DID.
>> Stephen: YEAH, CRAIG.
WHAT'S GOING ON.
>> I WAS THE WORLD'S WORST WAITRESS.
>> Stephen: I NEED YOU TO GO CHECK THE BATHROOMS.
OKAY.
COME DOWNSTAIRS WITH ME.
>> THERE WAS A LOT OF TOUCHING.
>> Stephen: A LOT OF SHOULDER RUBBING.
>> A LOT OF SHOULDER RUBBING.
I'M NOT THAT TENSE, CRAIG.
>> Stephen: FEEL TENSE.
HE WAS SCARY.
>> YEAH, HE'D COME AND ASK YOU DOWN TO THE OFFICE TO TIP YOU
OUT.
>> Stephen: LET'S TALK.
>> TIP YOU OUT.
SO, YEAH, THERE WAS J.B. WIN BERRYs.
THERE WAS A LITTLE BENNIGAN'S.
I LIVED IN JONES DORM.
>> Stephen: YOU WERE A THEATER MAJOR.
THE PEOPLE IN JONES DORM WERE LIKE,"I'M GOING LIVE FOREVER."
THE LEG WARMERS, THE WHOLE THING.
HOW ABOUT J.K. SWEETS.
>> I DID GO THERE.
>> Stephen: I LIVED ABOVE J.K.
SWEETS.
>> NOW, I REMEMBER.
>> Stephen: YOU'RE JUST BEING NICE PUP DON'T REMEMBER
ANYTHING.
>> I'M JUST TRYING TO PLAY ALONG.
>> Stephen: NOW, YOU'RE PLAYING-- OBVIOUSLIY, WE KNOW
YOU AS SKYULAR, BUT NOW YOU'RE IN "EQUITY" WHERE YOU PLAY A
POWERFUL WOMAN ON WITH THE.
DO YOU THINK YOU COULD LIVE IN THAT WORLD?
ARE YOU A GOOD NEGOTIATOR?
>> WELL, I HAD TO BE A GOOD NEGOTIATOR STARTING OUT AS AN
ACTOR, BECAUSE YOU REALLY HAVE TO CHASE IT DOWN.
SO I REMEMBER GOING ON A LETTER-WRITING CAMPAIGN AT ONE
POINT WHEN I AUDITIONED FOR A PLAY THEY REALLY WANTED.
AND THE DIRECTOR SAID, "YOU'RE WONDERFUL, BUT THIS WOMAN NEEDS
TO BE VERY UNSTABLE, AND YOU ACTUALLY COME ACROSS AS VERY
STABLE PERSON."
AND I WENT AND WROTE HER A FIVE-PAGE LETTER-- IT WAS IN THE
DAYS OF FAX MACHINES STILL.
SO SHE LIVED IN ENGLAND AND I KEPT TRYING TO FAX THIS
FIVE-PAGE LETTER AND KEPT SAYING IT WAS INCOMPLETE AND DIDN'T GO
THROUGH, SO I SENT IT THROUGH FIVE TIMES AND SHE CAME HOME TO
A REAM OF FAX PAPER STRETCHING ACROSS HER HOUSE AND SHE READ IT
AND SAID, "I THINK SHE IS UNSTABLE ENOUGH TO PLAY THIS
ROLE."
SO THERE YOU GO.
>> Stephen: DID YOU DO-- YOU'RE A REAL ACTRESS.
ARE YOU METHOD?
DID YOU GO TO-- WHAT'S A RIDE-ALONG ON WITH THE?
WHAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF DOING A RIDE-ALONG?
>> IT'S LIKE A RUN-ALONG THROUGH GOLDMAN SAX.
THEY TOOK US ON A TOUR -- >> YOU WENT DOWN THERE AND
ACTUALLY FOLLOWED PEOPLE AROUND.
>> EXACTLY.
WE DID A MOCK I.P.O. I WALKED THROUGH THE HALLWAYS WITH THESE
WOMEN, AND THEY-- I'M OBVIOUSLY TALL AND I'M A PRETTY FAST
WALKER.
BUT THEY NAVIGATE THOSE HALLWAYS IN HEELS LIKE NOBODY I'VE EVER
SEEN, AND I WAS PRACTICALLY HAVING TO JOG TO CATCH UP WITH
THEM.
AND IT WAS SOMETHING WE WANTED TO ESTABLISH IN THE MOVIE TO SEE
NAOMI AS THIS VERY POWERFUL WOMAN STRIDING THROUGH THE
HALLWAYS THERE THEIR HEELS.
WHEN I'M AIBILITY OF A-- I'M A BIT OF A HEEL WIMP, AND I
SLIPPED ACTUALLY AFTER THE FIRST WEEK OF SHOOTING, WENT UP LIKE A
BANANA-- LIKE I SLIPPED ON A PANANA PEEL, CAME DOWN ON TOP OF
MY LEFT FOOT, TOTALLY LANDED ON TOP OF MY LEFT TOOK, THOUGHT IT
WAS BROKEN.
OUT OF A 24-DAY SHOOT-- IT WASN'T BROKEN, EVERYTHING WAS
FINE.
BUT I HAD TO WEAR A CAST, A BOOT, AND AIR CAST SO THEY SHOT
ME KNEES UP FOR 14 DAYS OF A 24-DAY SHOOT.
>> Stephen: ARE YOU WEARING A CAST IN THAT SCENE?
WE'RE SEEING YOU SITTING DOWN.
>> I THINK IT WAS TWO DAYS BEFORE I DID THAT.
AND THEY HAD GOTTEN ALL OF THESE ESTABLISHED SHOTS OF ME WALKING
SO THEY ACTUALLY GOT IT, BUT I HAD TO LEARN HOW TO ADJUST MY
GATE SO I WASN'T GALUMPING AROUND LIKE THAT.
>> Stephen: WHAT DO THESE WOMEN SAY WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A
WOMAN IN FINANCE?
>> ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THING SAY THEY HAD THAT I DIDN'T
REALLY, IS THAT IT'S A PSYCHOLOGICAL ENTERPRISE,
REALLY.
THEY HAVE TO REALLY KNOW THE CLIENT'S NEEDS.
YOU HAVE TO READ WHAT THEY WANT, WHETHER THEY NEED A SORT OF
FIRM, STRONG HAND.
WHETHER THEY NEED TO BE SORT OF GENTIED ALONG ESSENTIALLY.
YOU HAVE TO BALANCE THAT AGAINST THE INVESTOR'S NEEZ.
AND THEY TALKED A LOT ABOUT HAVING TO PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT
COLOR YOU'RE WEARING.
PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT YOUR HAIR IS.
ALL THOSE THINGS -- >> WHICH WOMEN NORMALLY DON'T DO
AT ALL.
>> NO, WOMEN DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
>> Stephen: GOLD MAN SACKS SPECIFICALLY-- WALL STREET IN
GENERAL, BUT GOLDMAN IS PERCEIVED AS BEING MORALLY
BANKRUPT.
WOMEN ARE SEEN AS NICER OR HAVING A BETTER MORAL COMPASS AS
MEN DO.
ARE THESE WOMEN SAYING THEY CAN MAKE WALL STREET BETTER OR
SAYING YOU NEED TO BE AS GREEDY AND EVIL AS EVERYBODY ELSE?
>> THEY'RE NOT SAYING THAT AT ALL.
>> Stephen: WHICH ONE?
>> THEY'RE NOT SAYING THE FORMER.
WAIT.
WHICH ONE DID YOU SAY?
>> Stephen: ARE WOMEN ON WALL STREET-- DO THEY HAVE BETTER
MORAL COMPASSES-- >> I FELT THEY DID.
I FELT THEY DID.
AND I FELT THEY REALLY WERE BEHIND TAKING THESE COMPANIES,
BELIEVING IN THEM, BELIEVING IN, YOU KNOW, GUYS WHO STARTED A
COMPANY IN THEIR GARAGE AND TAKING IT INTO THE PUBLIC
SECTOR.
AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I REALLY FELT THAT IT WAS A
PASSION FOR THEM.
IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS AND MAKING THE
MONEY.
>> Stephen: ONE OF THE REASONS I WANTED TO ASK IS BECAUSE WALL
STREET HAS A LIKEABILITY PROBLEM.
LIKE, PEOPLE DON'T TRUST THEM.
THEY THINK THEY'RE GREEDY.
DO YOU MIND PLAYING SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT LIKABLE?
DO YOU MIND THE BLOWBACK YOU FET FROM THAT?
OR DO YOU GET PLOABACK?
>> I GOT BLOWBACK FROM SKYLAR, AND THERE WAS THE SKYLAR HATE ON
THE INTERNET.
THAT WAS A REALLY TOUGH THING TO DEAL WITH.
AT FIRST I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND-- WAS IT THE WAY I WAS PLAYING THE
PART.
VINCENT-- VINCE GILLIGAN AND ALL THE WRITERS, WE TALKED ABOUT IT.
WE WERE REALLY CONFUSED.
AND AFTER A WHILE I REALIZED THAT IT'S BOTH THE FACT THAT
PEOPLE CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT ANONYMOUSLY ON THE
INTERNET.
NOBODY EVER CAME UP AND SAID,"BOY, I HATE YOUR
CHARACTER.
SHE'S AN AWFUL WOMAN."
THEY WOULD WRITE HORRIBLE THINGS ON THE INTERNET.
AND I JUST FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TOWARDS THE END OF THE
SHOW-- I WROTE AN OP-ED FOR THE "NEW YORK TIMES" ABOUT IT
BECAUSE I HAD BEEN ASKED ABOUT IT SO MUCH.
AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT IT WAS REFLECTING HOW WE STILL ARE
PERCEIVING GENDER ROLES AND TRADITIONALLY --
>> I HEARD THOSE STORIES BUT I DIDN'T HEAR THOSE STORIES ABOUT
WALTER WHITE.
>> EXACTLY.
>> Stephen: THEY LIKED THE ANTIHERO.
>> THEY LIKED THE ANTIHERO AND THEY DID NOT LIKE THE WOMAN
STANDING IN THE WAY.
>> Stephen: THERE'S A KIND OF HILLARY-TRUMP THING.
WHILE PEOPLE DISLIKE HILLARY FOR THEIR OWN REASONS AND DISLIKE
TRUMP FOR THEIR OWN REASONS, I THINK THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE TRUMP
LIKE THAT PEOPLE DISLIKE HIM BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT A NICE
GUY IN OFFICE.
THEY WANT SOMEBODY WHO WILL KICK ASS.
>> IT'S THE LIKEABILITY FACTOR AGAIN.
WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT HILLARY CLINTON, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT HER
POLICIES, AT HER INTELLECT, AT HER, YOU KNOW, TRACK RECORD, AT
THE FACT SHE'S BEEN IN PUBLIC SERVICE FOR ALL THESE YEARS, NOT
AT WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE HER HAIRSTYLE OR THE COLOR OF HER
OUTFIT.
AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WOMEN REALLY DO HAVE TO DEAL
WITH.
IT'S SOMETHING AGAIN I LEARNED IN MY RESEARCH FOR THE MOVIE,
FOR "EQUITY," AND SOMETHING I WENT THROUGH.
I FELT LIKE I WENT THROUGH A RING OF FIRE WITH SKYLAR, BUT I
THINK THE FACT WE KEEP SPEAKING OUT ABOUT IT, PUSHING AT IT, AND
KNOCKING ON THAT DOOR.
I THINK PROGRESS IS BEING MADE.
( APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: WELL, IT WAS LOVELY TO SEE YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SO NICE TO SEE YOU.
>> Stephen: GOOD LUCK WITH THE MOVIE.
"EQUITY" IS IN THEATERS NOW.
ANNA GUNN, EVERYBODY!
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK