You said in your book, and it caught me by surprise and you said "Satan's favorite verse
is Matthew chapter 12." I mean, Satan could have a favorite verse I was thinking,
until when you would explain that. It makes sense how the myth that is circling around,
seven demons more coming back after you get delivered. Is really hindering people from
actually going into deliverance because it almost seems like, I will be better off with my demons
than having a chance or a potential having seven more after my deliverance, for the sheer reason
of leaving my house empty. I mean who doesn't feel empty on their worst day? Even the most
Spirit-filled Christian feels empty sometimes. Could you speak into that and clarify that myth.
Well I'll try, I'll try to. What I find is many people would come to me with that question,
well what if seven more come back and you know this type of thing. And I struggled with that
particular verse when I was writing that book. I was like, "God I don't get this. What's the point
in casting them out if they can come back and bring buddies with them? I just don't get that."
Every time I would pray about it, I got the same response: Read it again. Read it again.
I don't know how many times I've read that, but then one day it just clicks. This is what
the verse we're talking about says, "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man,
he walks about in dry places, seeking rest, can't find any. So he says, 'I'll go back to
my old house where I came out and I'll take seven more with me more evil than myself.'"
And so I would struggle with that. God why? How can this be? So it was, "Read it again, read it
again". One day I'm reading it and it just clicks. Doesn't say when the unclean spirit is cast out
of a man. It says when he's gone out. They go out on their own, come back. They have a door.
And so I'm sitting in my office, I can see the door.
I can go in and out anytime I want to. But if the owner of this property
says, "You can't have this office anymore," and he takes the keys and says, "You're out of here."
I can't just go back in the next day. I'm kicked out. I'm cast out. Same way with demons. They can
go out and look around. They can get uncomfortable because you're reading the Bible too much, you're
going to church too much and decide they'll just go out and look around. But as long as they have a
door and generally it's something we do, or say, or ancestry door. They know they can come back
and you can't do anything about it, until that door is closed, locked, sealed and the demon is,
the word you use is "expelled." And I think that's probably a Derek Prince word also, but cast out.
So my pastor is a great Hebrew scholar. He's also an attorney that actually represents cases before
The Supreme Court of religious rights. His name is Dr Frank Harbor. But I asked him about that
verse one day. I said, "What does that word "gone out" mean? Does it mean like forced out?"
He said, "No, it means like you get up and decide to leave." He said, "That's all it means."
So now I'm understanding. Oh, if they have a door, they can come back
but if they are kicked out and don't have a door,
they can't come back. So in many years of deliverance I've never seen that happen,
anybody be seven times worse. Never seen it happen. Not even closed. But it's scary to
people that are thinking about it and reading about it. I was kind of thinking Don, you know,
when I leave my house and my house is locked but it's empty. It does not mean that mice and
cockroaches and flies get in. They don't get in because it's empty or full, because then it's this
idea that if your house is empty, carries another idea there, that if you have Jesus you can't have
demons. Which most of the people that we do deliverance on already have Jesus, but it's not
the issue of not having Jesus or having Jesus. The issue is if you have an open door. The Bible says,
"Don't give place to the devil." Paul says that to believers, and so the idea is not,
you know is your life filled with God's Word? Now should we fill our life with God's Word after
deliverance? Of course we should. I mean and most people who get delivered, that's the first thing
they want to do is pray more, read the Bible, go to church. They finally want to live a holy life
and then we feed them with this fear that if you don't do one right thing, if you don't read enough
Scripture and everything, then you're gonna get seven times more. That's not the issue. The issue
is the open door. Like you said, if the permission was not revoked, if the demons were not cast out,
the permission was not revoked, then demons will come back. But if the permission was
revoked and demons were cast out, demons are on the outside, they cannot come on the inside.