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What's going on, everyone?
I'm Sam with another iteration
of our is it worth it series.
Today, we are going to see if it is worth it
to buy a Honda Civic Type R versus an SI.
I really like both of these cars
and I was pretty excited to jump into this one.
But before we get going in this debate,
I just wanna remind you to go check out the gallery
we have at FitmentIndustries.com,
which has a ton of Civic SI's and Type Rs.
If you like the set up on any of them,
we make it dummy easy to snag the exact wheels, tires,
and suspension setup that they have.
So I used to be an Integra guy,
so I really have a soft spot for Hondas,
especially in Si or Type R trim.
The blood lines of the Si and Type R go really deep,
deeper than a lot of us Americans had access to.
Oh, sorry, (indistinct).
I was talking to jealous.
Sorry, jealous.
I mean, sorry Niri.
We didn't even get the OG Civic Type R 1997.
That was reserved for Japan
and tearing up the streets and tracks over there.
The images and videos of cars
from the likes of No Good Racing
screaming around Osaka are super iconic.
Niri, play some of that footage right here.
The Si is more familiar to us
than we got a little hot hatchback in 1984
that was arguably the start of the Si lineage.
It's crazy to look back
and realize that the car with an SI,
standing for sport injected,
didn't even have 100 horsepower
compared to what we have now.
That's a little history lesson,
but for the sake of simplicity and access to these cars,
I'd like to focus today's discussion
from the 10th generation of Civics,
which is readily available for sale.
Those of you wondering
if the older Type R is worth it over an SI,
I'll give you my hot take right here.
The Type R from previous generations,
especially the original, is 100% worth it.
Importing one and all of that comes into play.
I know, you're gonna pay for it,
but those cars will absolutely hold their value
and most likely actually appreciate if you keep 'em nice.
What about the 10th generation I mentioned though?
Let's dive into what the Si is and what the Type R is.
I'm gonna start with the Si trim level first
and then we'll go to the Type R later.
You can get the Si in either a four door or a two door.
Either option has some more aggressive body work
compared to the normal Civic.
If you don't on something extreme,
the front bumper looks really good
and sporty in my opinion on the SI.
Engine wise, you get a 1.5 liter four cylinder
with a turbo pumping out 205 respectful ponies
in stock form.
You're also rolling your own gears in this car
with a six speed manual transmission as it should be.
Within that drivetrain,
you also get a limited slip differential,
which is very necessary on a front wheel drive car
to help with overall handling
when trying to put that power down.
Torque steer is kind of fun,
but isn't something you really want to have
when focusing on performance.
The Si also gets some sportier suspension,
a bit more rigid set of sway bars,
and larger front brakes.
Overall, you definitely get enough from the factory
to warrant a sportier trim level and Si badge
versus a generic everyday Civic.
But let's go deeper
and see what's so special about the Type R.
The only body option here is a five door hatchback,
and I'll be real with you,
it took me way longer than it should have
when I was younger to realize what that fifth door was.
It's like the back.
It was not like a fuel door or whatever.
The body work on the Type R is way more aggressive
than the basic Civic or SI.
When this first came out,
I couldn't believe Honda is going this bonkers on a Civic
and I freaking love it.
The crazy arrow is also functional though
and gives you some true down force
for some performance applications.
Engine wise, you get a two liter turbocharge four cylinder
putting out 310 horsepower.
That's 105 horsepower more than the SI
for those of you that are taking notes.
You also get a six speed manual with the Type R as well
along with a limited slip differential
and all the goodies from the SI,
but a lot of them are just a little bit better.
If you're watching this video,
you probably know all the specifics on these cars,
but I wanted to set a little baseline for all of us
so we're all on the same page.
Now, let's make things a little more interesting
and figure out how much either of these cars cost.
We're taking March of 2022 numbers
and the world is a little bit crazy right now,
but they should be directionally accurate.
I'm also going to look at used car prices
since most of the guys will be doing the same.
I went out and I found 10 used Honda Civic SI's
and 10 used Honda civic Type R's
and did a little comparison.
I tried to be as fair as possible
and picked some similar years whenever I could.
On average, the Honda Civic Type R's for sale
were about a half a year newer
than the SI's available for sale.
The Type R's also had on average about 11,000 less miles
compared to the SI's that were available for sale.
The price.
This is what we're all wanting to be curious about here.
On average, again,
for the Type R was about $13,000 more than a comparable SI.
So what does that all mean?
So the Type R is about $13,000 more expensive
on the used car market with 11,000 less miles.
$13,000 is a lot of money,
but is it enough to justify a purchase
of a Type R over an SI?
We're getting back to our core question.
Is a Honda Civic Type R worth it over a Honda Civic SI?
Un my opinion, heck yeah.
I really do think it's worth it.
And I'll give you my main reasons why.
The Type R appears to hold its value better
than the equivalent SI's.
And in the long run,
if the old Type R's are any indication of future value,
your money should be pretty safe with the Type R.
For that money,
you are really getting a much, much different Civic
than the normal everyday one,
even compared to the SI.
You're seriously getting a lot of car performance here.
This is a performer out of the box
and really punches above its weight class,
in my opinion, even at that price point.
And this one is a big one, especially if you're a car guy.
If you get an SI,
which I totally think is a great car in its own.
Every time you see a Type R on the road
or in your rear view mirror
with that aggressive arrow, triple exhaust,
you're gonna wish that was you.
And this is kind of a big one
because these cars are so different in my opinion.
$13,000 isn't anything to joke about,
but I feel like that $13,000 is justified
and could be safer in the long run
assuming you take care of the car
when you're buying a Honda Civic Type R.
Both the 10th generation Honda Civic SI
and Type R are great cars.
I don't think you can go wrong with either,
but I do believe the Type R is worth it over the SI.
I appreciate you guys watching this video again
and don't forget to swing by our gallery
at FitmentIndustries.com
and check out all the Civic Type R's,
SI's, all the sick Civics,
along with their wheel, tire, and suspension setups.
I'm Sam and I'll see you guys in the next one.
Peace.
Thank you.
Niri said it in all caps.