we take terrorism seriously we condemn
terrorism in all its forms
and we are actively engaged in
converting it
wow that's the president finland
addressing turkey's concerns about
sweden and finland joining nato turkish
leadership accusing them of harboring
terrorists and blocking an early vote on
their membership now their application
would expand europe's security landscape
in the wake of russia's invasion of
ukraine
but really upsetting russia author of
the new book the power of crisis how
three threats and our response will
change the world the president of the
eurasia group ian bremmer is back ian
welcome good to see you man the
significance of turkey standing in the
way of finland and sweden what is it
about
turkey has 70 inflation right now their
economy is in free fall erdogan is much
less popular than at any point in his
presidency as a consequence of that and
this is an opportunity for them to queer
the pitch of this massively important
expansion of nato and they want to be
paid off that's all it's about it's a
negotiating faint they see themselves as
having good leverage they will
ultimately allow this to go through
ironic that finland and sweden get into
nato and ukraine's doing all the
fighting and they're not
well first a couple reasons for that
right one is that ukraine has been
occupied physically by russian forces
since 2014. now if you enter nato the
collective security clause means that
the nato allies have to defend you have
to defend you so number one that was
never a possibility number two i mean as
much as we love the ukrainians and
everyone now does because of the
courageousness they're showing on the
battlefield their institutions are weak
there's been a lot of corruption i mean
they were not set up to be finland or
sweden before february 24th and that
even with the european union you have
the german chancellor saying yes we'd
like the ukraine in the european union
but we're not going to put them ahead of
the queue right some of these countries
in the western balkans that have been
setting up although we're in awe of what
they've achieved so far in awe of what
they've achieved in the battlefield
right yes the book is i love your book
because i like learning stuff get new
depth on international relations what
like only you can do when i'm
interviewing you but you put it down in
the printed word and the power of crisis
and one thing you bring up is china and
what they bring to the table what they
don't and you said hey us
look out for this belt and road program
you want to be the most influential
country in the world so does china
built and road program says to countries
i'll build your infrastructure i'll give
you a loan
and if you don't pay me back we'll
handle it when it happens so far some of
these developing countries aren't liking
the deal they got from china but they do
have the influence of china you know uh
sometimes it takes a crisis i write
about this in my book you remember in
the cold war it was the sputnik moment
that got the americans to invest in the
space race eventually got us to the moon
right you're my birth 1969 fact is the
chinese are the ones that have been
investing massively through belton road
digital belt and road uh renewable
energy in a way and the americans have
been forgetting about it and suddenly we
look around the world and we say wow
china is the biggest trade partner of
all these countries everywhere we have
to do something we have to be engaged
otherwise it's going to be china's game
they invest massively in solar and
nuclear and wind and electric vehicles
if we don't do that ourselves where's
the united states going to be what's it
going to take to have a wake-up moment
what's going to wake us up to this
sputnik challenge
i think the fact that china is very soon
going to be the largest economy in the
world the fact that so many countries
that are politically oriented towards
the us just in our the western
hemisphere all the south american
economies that like the united states
friends like colombia and brazil who's
their chile who's their largest trading
partner china that's absolutely a
wake-up call and clearly it's one of the
very few issues that you can get
republicans and democrats in the house
and senate to agree on those sorts of
investments and real leadership would
explain it to the american people
because we love the competition and the
challenge ian bremmer you did it in the
power of crisis you want to explain
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in directly thanks so much ian great job
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