and I'm guess what what the actual battle for the PCs heart and soul okay
leave it or not yeah is not between Intel and AMD everybody believes that
let's aim Dean Nvidia no it's actually the battle between Intel and Qualcomm
those are two giant companies duking it out for the heart and soul the PC the
reason of course is we have Snapdragon SOC s the same ones that have been in
phones and tablets for a long time in TCS
running Windows we do we do that's a big difference the first time I think we've
seen a big push a long time forearm on the PC but to find out which is better
which is faster we have two nearly identical tablets they look pretty damn
close to me yes HP Envy x2 the only one that I can think of where they're built
on both Intel and arm hmm okay on the right Snapdragon 835 Adreno 540 on the
left well my on your right Internet is a core
i5 k b link y part which is a low power seventh generation kb lake part i 5 so
not super duper high clocks ok well why would you ever want to get the the
snapdragon well they're both actually almost the same price the snapdragon
today is 800 bucks with 4 gigs and 128 gigs note this one is 8 gigs and 256
gigs the only configuration i could secure okay and the intel version the HP
Envy x2 has that core i5 h t6 15 4 gig 128 SATA SSD for 900 bucks
also 800 versus $900 both of them with keyboard i think both of them with their
pens you can interchange the Pens but what I thought it would be great is we
take both of these and we put them up against each other yeah I'm interested I
I don't think I would ever want to buy the Snapdragon version but maybe you can
convince me alright yeah so that seems you say think so let's listen first
benchmark on a run I could not run a traditional Cinebench r15 that we're all
used to because there is no six four-bit support on arm so I ran
sandwich r11 32-bit performance the first slide you're seeing right now is
multi core performance and core i5 seventh Gen Y is about 56 percent faster
then the the Snapdragon part this is a multi-core performance though so you are
looking at dual core with hyper-threading versus four big cores
and for small cores on the big little thing on the arm thing that they do if
you actually look into actual single core performance by looking at Cinebench
are 11 32-bit single thread that doesn't look good that is really ugly you're
looking at three hundred and seventy-three percent difference movie
yeah that's a single thread I mean that's that's what I'm expecting that's
what you'd expect a lot of things next test is tablet mark 2017 it is a free
benchmark you can download on the Windows Store by pepco made for testing
tablets cross-platform iOS as well as arm Android and Windows and you're
looking about 200% faster on the core i5 versus the Snapdragon 835 so you know I
could run these benchmarks all day and just show you the core i5 just pounding
the Snapdragon 805 mercilessly all day folks there is no Snapdragon 845 version
sorry that all we have is 835 version so it's not gonna get that much better
anyway okay but I think I want to get into the reasons why and the next slide
sort of explains it this is Geekbench 4.30
it actually contests the arm CPU in the in the and the nbx to in native arm ok
that's native arm instructions instead of x86 instructions because what
Microsoft nope Qualcomm are doing is they're taking those instructions for
Windows that are all meant for x86 and they're translating them in real time so
that they run on arm which is a completely different architecture as you
can see there's two purple bars the short bar is where you sort of expect
that to get when you're translating it you're adding the additional layer of
we've got to now convert all these instructions for x86 long bar and
Geekbench shows you you're a native support which is
actually very decent yeah and I look at this is like if this looks pretty good
but you do have to remember of course we're looking at four cores plus four
little cores they on arm on the Snapdragon part versus a dual-core KB
like why part with hyper-threading to look into just single core performance
it's not looking as good but I gotta tell you it's not as bad as I thought it
would be looking at that longer bar when you're running native arm instructions
it's yeah it's probably not as bad as well and maybe an atom part would be but
once you get down to adding the layer of translation you're just you're taking a
pretty big hit and two blue bars for Intel one is 64-bit
one is 32-bit just for comparison because we are running 32-bit Windows on
the arm Burke sort just explains a lot of that is just sort of lost in the
translation layer future mark night raid 1.0 fairly a new benchmark it actually
has native support for arm both the SOC for the graphics part and the CPU okay
and looking at the overall performance it's not that bad and then we dive down
into the Adreno 540 versus the HD 615 and gosh what is that 68 percent so of
course we are looking at integrated graphics so yeah not either of them are
great but H Intel into integrated graphics can always head up high
yeah but this again this is native these are native instructions this is not
dealing with a translation layer so I got to say there are a lot closer than I
expected CPU actually until part of slower whoa
I'm gonna guess this is because you're looking at me again native performance
future marked from night raid and you are getting also probably eight cores
eight real core some of them small some of them back versus a dual core with
hyper threading so but that's not that bad I mean there's actually not as bad
as I thought it would be when you get to some native instructions yeah but still
I mean what's the reason to get the Snapdragon version because well it's
still not commit the next one explains it it is battery life
I played the exact same video 4k radio rhinitis is one we run all the
time we loop it we set the brightness for the same about 250 to 260 nits and
then we run earbuds airplane mode right till it dies and you're looking at very
decent life from the intel part more than 10 hours that's enough for me
frankly but if you really want stupidly long battery life that Snapdragon 835
looki you're looking at more than 16 hours of run time that's pretty good
this video but I got to say with one thing that as I love benchmarks I love
running them to measure things one issue I've heard is in real life
mhm you know what it's not that bad it's not that bad I've heard from analysts
said I've used these things running office and you know I'm pretty happy
with it so one of the things we're gonna do right now which is gonna be a little
different is we are gonna run both of these devices with the same keyboard and
mouse nice I have a hood tech sync master provided by the developer in
Korea it's an awesome thing let you run a single Mouse single keyboard to
multiple devices these two things think they have a mouse and keyboard now you
can see I'm clicking on this same thing and I've got my my trusty camera here
that I'm gonna film Gordon going through some some of these steps here nice I'm
gonna start with just media heavy websites
sorry no parson politics I will do Fox News and I will do CNN so nobody can
shout at us and this is running in edge this is running an edge these are both
the exact same version of Windows and the reason I like to use Meany heavy
websites is they love to throw video and flash let's let's keep adding them ctrl
key I think let's do PC we're all right that's a
good one you should go there you should check it out yeah we are not running any
ad blockers and then I am going to run oh so I just did a ctrl tab you can see
how long it takes to one on the right eight gigs one of the left four gigs I
couldn't get four gig versions let's do macro mackerel calm our sis I don't like
the products I like you people work there alright so we're gonna do that
let's do another Oh control t see how long it takes
a new one where's a good place to go oh let's go abcnews.com
and I am picking media websites because as you know folks oh my god we love to
throw you those ads and those videos let's do another one
CBS News it's a little Kassar I did also clear the cast and both of these
beforehand wiped everything out and here is the ultimate tester I don't know if
you know this SFGate com it's the San Francisco Chronicle's website this
website will break anything whenever you want to when we complain about how slow
our website is we just say thank God it's not The Chronicle so what's
interesting check this out now where's my Intel apart where's my Intel apart
it's lagging yeah listen up so as you can see this app track it is it's
already loaded the video some of this of course I'm guest people can say well you
got 4 gigs for Intel you got 8 gigs on that one I'm not convinced it is
necessarily a memory thing I think actually some of that is because you're
getting sort of 8 cores you know maybe there's some efficiency going on but
look I'm so loading this video that's taken a while right now there it is so
let's go and I'm going to go here and say my get the stroll to work let's
scroll down one of the issues you can see is the ads are different for people
who use browsing test and rely on browsing tests every website you go to
if you're using live websites you get different ads so and it is still what is
going on here now we're just gonna switch around good old PC world look at
that PC world calm watch this I'm gonna
switch tabs I gotta tell you that's the snapdragon this is doing better yes what
the hell this is a the shocker to me as I ran this and I said whoa what is going
on why is this yeah I would much rather want the Snapdragon version here right
so what is going on here is it memory I don't know I I don't really think it's
memory I don't think this is for gigs worth of websites this is running 64-bit
windows this is running 32-bit windows so Microsoft has of
course done a ton of work to tune edge hmm to work great on Snapdragon unarmed
they've done that a lot the thing is do you use edge no I don't use that either
I've tried to it's really hard to I can have a lot of issues with it I mean I'm
sure it's fine we've heard from Mark Hofman that it's fine it's fully
featured but but what happens if you go to Chrome let's check it out on the
chrome I mean on the left okay the intel part do the same thing we did last time
so chrome is not native to Snapdragon and still running x86 instructions oh
boy yeah okay that's I'm gonna live in fact I'm gonna give it more time to load
uh some of the ads I think this app drag apart you're still working Wow okay so
the tables are flipped tables are flipped in actually the thing
is well I gotta say an edge I was surprised Snapdragon with a lot of
optimization does pretty well yeah it does pretty well and the core i5 though
is not that far behind again nonpartisan news we have CNN we
have Fox News loaded don't yell at us folks but look when she gets it out
you're still looking at a pretty big difference so let's do another one
is it still loaded I don't even know where the ads are I think it's actually
still loading yeah we have four gigs four gigs on the left a gigs on the
right can't be helped let's do what else did I do I did ABC
News mm-hmm Wow huh oh my how the tables have turned
yes but the thing is that's worse is it so bad in chrome you know it's I gotta
say it's almost a deal-breaker and then let's do another one uh we did
cbsnews.com SFGate we don't that's the last one that's all the icing on the
hood you lead coated icing look we've already got the ad on the Left I don't
even know what is going on on the right what the hell
and if there's both of these folks are all in the same Wi-Fi network it is just
simply you saw the performance just a few seconds ago an edge Snapdragon was
just as fast if not it was actually slightly better things parents on this
Core i5 y part jeez yeah now let's do I think Oh PC world
yeah PC world macros guys love ah they sure do
right this is uh this is comical yeah so if we were hitting a memory problem
before we should be hitting it now and the Intel bar should be slower than the
arm part which has eight gigs of RAM but I'm not seeing that yeah I don't even
know where the ad is where is he AB there should be more ads it's still
loading it's still loading huh shaky gone yeah Mac world
man
yeah and there's ads and of course this is always the kick right in your private
parts sfk comm I have friends that work there but oh my god yeah I can barely
browse this on an overclocked coffee lake part huh I'm just kidding it is
actually very slow on on desktop see if you go to SFGate comm you want to look
at your performance and look we are just look so I again I don't think it was
necessarily we were hitting memory or early I really think it was just simply
edge has just been fine-tuned by Microsoft to run really really well on
arm all right so once again Gordon I have to ask why would you get the
Snapdragon version to be honest I can't recommend anyone at the moment buying a
Snapdragon based device especially when you're looking at $800 vs. $900 for gig
128 both exact same memory the exact same amount of storage it's really hard
to say I recommend that you go out by a Snapdragon base Windows Device hmm right
it just it just doesn't make any sense if this were maybe half the cost or a
lot cheaper then yeah but I mean really this is just it's just for a normal
person who doesn't care about great battery life would you sacrifice all the
performance you're giving up and and to be fair again you're getting really
decent performance out of Snapdragon if it's all optimized you stay in that it's
really looking that little bubble or that little bubble but you go outside of
it you go to Chrome you go to the every single app you're gonna go to it's it's
just gonna be ugly I think it's a combination out they need
optimization to come which takes forever we all know this yeah software
developers don't move really quickly but it'll get to the point where it's enough
mmm I think and then you sort of get the great battery runtime it might be a
really good part laptop tablet CPU in a year today it's hard to see it right
it's just and I gotta save you one arm and you you got to have that great
battery life then you may want to look at an Apple product
because Apple what a up a Polizzi able to do I know this crazy hearing is for
me but Apple is able to enforce we only want great things on our tablets MROs if
you don't work right if you're not you go fix this or we're not let you win
they can do that Microsoft can't do that because Windows the PC is an open open
open you can't keep people out just because they suck or they're slower
whenever we allow everybody they don't allow it in Towe need to really take
this as a serious threat Qualcomm and I gotta say this is this is why there is a
battle Qualcomm is not stopping this is the same SOC that's in my phone that I
got a year and a half ago yeah right right next one next one next one next
thing you know who knows so well I'm interested to see if anybody out there
has been running Snapdragon on on Windows let us know is it working for
you or you are you upset you didn't get a core I part cuz yes as of right now
it's not looking too good so no thanks for for doing this comparison it's
pretty in-depth but I think kind of eye-opening it is eye-opening and I
guess I gotta say it's not as bad as I thought it would be like you saw an edge
before your eyes it was running faster than that Intel Core i5 giggling yeah
right so there is promise there there is promise there it's gonna be a big rock
to puts up that mountain but you know okay cool well thanks again Gordon we'll
see you later