RUDY GIULIANI IS DOING HIS MEDIA TOUR TALKING ABOUT THE
INVESTIGATION OF SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER INTO POSSIBLE
RUSSIAN COLLUSION, AND DURING OUR CONVERSATION WITH CHRIS
CUOMO ON CNN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT DONALD TRUMP
SHOULD BE FORCED TO TESTIFY IF HE IS GIVEN A SUBPOENA.
AND OF
COURSE GIULIANI HAS A DIFFERENT IDEA IN REGARD TO THE TREATMENT
FOR TRUMP VERSUS THE TREATMENT OF OTHER PREVIOUS PRESIDENTS.
SO
WITHOUT FURTHER ADO LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE FIRST VIDEO.
I NEVER HEARD OF A SUBPOENA FOR THE PRESIDENT'S PERSON.
YOU SAID EXACTLY THAT.
CHRIS, LET'S DISTINGUISH BETWEEN A SUBPOENA FOR DOCUMENTS
AND ONE THAT TAKES THE PRESIDENT OUT OF THE OVAL OFFICE THAT PUTS
HIM IN FRONT OF A GRAND JURY.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
YOU NEVER MADE THAT DISTENTION BEFORE.
IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME THEY WOULD TRY TO SUBPOENA THE
PRESIDENT.
THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING ON IN 1998.
HERE IS CHARLIE ROSE WITH
YOU IN THE INTERVIEW.
COME ON.
IT'S NOT EVEN RELEVANT.
IF THE PRESIDENT IS ASKED TO TESTIFY, SUBPOENAED --
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS UNFAIR.
WHAT HAPPENS IF ROBERT MUELLER SUBPOENAS THE PRESIDENT?
THEY ARE ALL TRYING TO BRING TRUMP INTO THAT AND HE'S NOT
INVOLVED IN IT, CHRIS.
THAT'S ANOTHER GREAT INTERVIEW BY CHRIS CUOMO.
LOOK,
I HAVE CRITICIZED HIM, I'VE PRAISED HIM, HE DID A GREAT
INTERVIEW OF NETANYAHU THE OTHER DAY UNLIKE ANYTHING I'VE SEEN ON
AMERICAN TV, THE ONLY THING IS THEY SHOULD HAVE KEPT GIULIANI'S
MIC SHUT, HE WOUND UP FILIBUSTERING OVER THE PART
WHERE GIULIANI SAYS ABOUT PRESIDENT CLINTON OF COURSE THEY
SHOULD SUBPOENA HIM.
AND IT WASN'T ABOUT HIS DOCUMENTS, IT
WAS ABOUT HIS PERSON, AS GIULIANI CALLED IT IN THE
EARLIER PART OF THE INTERVIEW.
IT WAS HYPOCRISY.
THEY SAY
THAT'S A GOTCHA QUESTION, THAT'S BECAUSE WE GOTCHA ON YOUR
HYPOCRISY.
THAT'S THE JOB OF A JOURNALIST, WHAT IS YOUR
OPINION, DOES IT MAKE SENSE?
CHRIS CUOMO IS SUPPOSED TO KNOW
THAT GIULIANI SAID THE EXACT OPPOSITE EARLIER, BUT NOT
MENTION IT?
WHAT, TO APPEASE POWER?
THAT ISN'T HOW JOURNALISM WORKS.
I ALSO WANT TO EMPHASIZE A STATEMENT GIULIANI MADE IN AN
INTERVIEW.
HE SAID THIS IS THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO COME
ON YOUR SHOW, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE IT BRINGS UP
THAT ISSUE OF ACCESS AND HOW THE POWERFUL WILL REFUSE TO GO ON
PROGRAMS OR GO TO NEWS ORGANIZATIONS THAT ASK TOUGH
QUESTIONS, THEY JUST WANT SOFTBALLS.
AND IF YOU ASK HIM A
TOUGH QUESTION HE WILL APPEAR.
THIS IS THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T
COME ON YOUR SHOW.
I THINK GIULIANI DOESN'T WANT TO BE CALLED A LIAR BECAUSE IN
ESSENCE THAT IS WHAT CHRIS CUOMO MADE HIM.
BECAUSE HE DOESN'T
REALLY FEEL THAT WAY.
AND HE WAS CAUGHT IN SO MANY OTHER THINGS
DURING THAT 45 MINUTE INTERVIEW, IT WAS INSANE.
BY THE WAY, CUOMO OR ANYONE ELSE DIDN'T MAKE GIULIANI A
LIAR, GIULIANI MADE HIMSELF A LIAR.
THERE WAS AN EASY WAY TO
AVOID THIS, CHRIS, YOU KNOW WHAT?
BACK IN 1998 I SAID THE
PRESIDENT SHOULD TESTIFY AND BE SUBPOENAED, YOU'RE RIGHT.
THAT'S
IT, YOU ARE A LIAR.
I WAS WRONG BACK THEN.
OR I THOUGHT THE PRESIDENT OF THERE LIED UNDER OATH, THAT IS
SUCH A SERIOUS CRIME THAT IT WARRANTED IT.
NOBODY WOULD
BELIEVE THAT BUT THAT'S AN ANSWER.
CAROL, YOU KNOW BETTER,
BUT IF RUDY GIULIANI NEVER COMES ON CNN AGAIN I SUSPECT THE
NETWORK WILL CONTINUE TO FIND ITS WAY.
BUT WE HOPE HE DOES BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK TO GIULIANI OFF
AIR HE'S A GREAT GUY, HE'S ALWAYS BEEN NICE TO ME, I HOPE
HE DOES COME BACK ON CNN BECAUSE I THINK IT'S VALUABLE FOR THE
VIEWERS.
THEY NEED TO SEE HIM ON EVERY NETWORK HE CAN BE ON,
FRANKLY.
BECAUSE HE'S THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER.
THAT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
WHETHER IT'S FOX NEWS OR ANYONE HE WENT ON, YOU GET A
SENSE OF WHAT THEIR STANCE IS.
IT DOESN'T LOOK PRETTY TO THE
REST OF US BUT THEY BELIEVE IT AND THEIR JOB IS TO DISSEMINATE
THAT.
BUT IF YOU SAY I'M ONLY GOING ON FOX NEWS BECAUSE THEY
WILL GIVE ME SOFTBALLS -- BY THE WAY GIULIANI BUTCHERED THAT,
HANNITY GAVE HIM SOFTBALL AFTER SOFTBALL AND HE COULDN'T HIT
THEM -- THEN THEY WILL ONLY HAVE FOX NEWS.
SO IF THE GROUND RULES
ARE I GET TO ASK YOU LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS AS A REPORTER, THEN
LET'S HAVE GIULIANI ALL OVER TV, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THE FACT IS THAT MR.
TRUMP HAS, WHAT, 40% SUPPORT?
THAT
LEAVES 60% OF THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROBABLY WATCHING
OTHER NETWORKS BESIDES FOX NEWS, AND RUDY GIULIANI AND MR.
TRUMP
HAVE TO APPEAL TO THOSE PEOPLE TOO.
SO IT WOULD BEHOOVE THEM TO
APPEAR ON CNN AND MSNBC.
AND THE YOUNG TURKS.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
BUT THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT, THEY ARE
GOVERNING TO THE 40 AND IT HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE, AND THE ONLY
REAL THREAT HE HAS, BECAUSE THE LIKELIHOOD OF INDICTING A
SITTING PRESIDENT IS A STRETCH AND WOULD TAKE SOMETHING WE HAVE
NOT CERTAINLY SEEN YET, THE RAMIFICATIONS, AS THE FOUNDERS
INTENDED, OF THE KINDS OF BEHAVIOR TRUMP HAS ENGAGED IN OR
ANYTHING SIMILAR OUR POLITICAL, AND THOSE RAMIFICATIONS, IF YOU
ARE MAINTAINING A SOLID 40%, ARE UNLIKELY TO COME TO FRUITION.
SOMETHING ELSE GIULIANI SAID DURING THE INTERVIEW, THERE IS
THIS NOTION THAT MR.
TRUMP IS ALLEGING THAT DURING OBAMA'S
ADMINISTRATION THAT THE FBI PLANTED A SPY IN HIS
PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.
AND OF COURSE THAT WAS JAMES COMEY,
RIGHT?
AND HE TWEETED THAT TWICE THIS MORNING.
SO CHRIS CUOMO
ASKED GIULIANI WAS THAT TRUE?
AND RUDY GIULIANI ADMITTED THAT
HE HAD READ REPORTS ABOUT IT BUT HE DIDN'T NECESSARILY KNOW IF IT
WAS TRUE.
THAT WAS REALLY DISTURBING TO ME BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T KNOW
IT'S TRUE, WHY ARE YOU SAYING IT ON NATIONAL TELEVISION?
RIGHT.
IT'S JUST TO THROW DOUBT INTO PEOPLE'S MINDS ABOUT THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION.
THAT IS THEIR TACTIC, THEIR STRATEGY.
CENK, YOU MENTIONED THIS POLL, BUT A YEAR OF ATTEMPTING
TO DISCREDIT MUELLER AND COMEY, MOSTLY WHAT THEY ARE ARE
INVESTIGATORS, PROFESSIONAL FEDERAL INVESTIGATORS, I THINK
THE NUMBER WAS ABOVE 50% WHO THOUGHT THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION WAS POLITICAL.
AND THAT'S A VICTORY, SEW A LITTLE
DOUBT.
MSNBC DID A FOCUS GROUP RECENTLY, TRUMP VOTERS, THEY
SAID THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION WAS CREATED BY THE DEEP STATE,
THEY WON'T -- THESE ARE ALL TALKING POINTS THEY HEARD FROM
GIULIANI AND TRUMP OVER AGAIN, THEY WON'T INVESTIGATE THE
DEMOCRATS -- THAT'S NOT TRUE, THEY DID -- AND IN FACT THE NEW
YORK TIMES REPORTED THAT THE FBI WAS CONCERNED THAT EVEN THOUGH
THEY WERE INVESTIGATING BOTH CANDIDATES THAT THEY COULDN'T
SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE TRUMP INVESTIGATION, AND PART OF THE
REASON WHY THEY WANTED AN INFORMANT RATHER THAN PUBLICLY
TALKING TO ANY OF THE TOP OFFICIALS IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T
WANT IT KNOWN THAT THEY WERE INVESTED GETTING TRUMP, BUT
TWICE THEY DECLARED THEY WERE INVESTIGATING HILLARY CLINTON.
SO PEOPLE THINK THEY ARE DEEPLY PARTISAN IN FAVOR OF DEMOCRATS
WHICH MAKES NO SENSE, AND OTHER WORDS USED TO DESCRIBE MUELLER
IN THAT STUDY WERE DESPERATE, UNETHICAL, PARTISAN, LIAR.
ROBERT MUELLER IS A LIFELONG REPUBLICAN, SO IF HE'S A
PARTISAN HE'S A PARTISAN, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ON YOUR SIDE,
REPUBLICANS.
BUT THEY CAN'T SEE STRAIGHT BECAUSE THEY DO DO THAT
PROPAGANDA, AND IF YOU DARE CHALLENGE THEIR PROPAGANDA FOR A
MINUTE, LIKE CHRIS CUOMO DID, NO FAIR!
THAT'S WHY WE WON'T GO ON YOUR SHOW.
AND WHO ELSE PARTICIPATED IN KEEPING THE INVESTIGATION OF
TRUMP QUIET FOR FEAR OF TIPPING THE SCALES UNFAVORABLY TOWARD
HILLARY CLINTON?
THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, BARACK
OBAMA, WHO KEPT QUIET ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION.
ALL OF THE
UNBELIEVING THAT HILLARY WAS GOING TO WIN ANYWAY, AND THEY
WOULD UNDERMINE THE PROCESS IF THEY MADE IT PUBLIC.
HOW DID THAT WORK OUT?