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>> Stephen: HEY, WELCOME BACK, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY FIRST
GUEST TONIGHT IS THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE CYBER SECURITY
AND INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AGENCY AND THE LATEST PERSON TO
BE FIRED BY THE PRESIDENT VIA TWEET.
PLEASE WELCOME, CHRISTOPHER KREBS.
MR. KREBS, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
>> HEY, THANKS FOR HAVING ME ON.
>> Stephen: NOW, FORMER DIRECTOR OF -- I THINK THAT IS
THE ACRONYM HOW IT IS PRONOUNCED.
>> MOST PEOPLE KNOW YOU AS THE GUY THAT IS FIRED FOR SAYING
THIS ELECTION WAS QUOTE THE MOST SECURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
WHAT LEADS YOU TO SAY IT IS THE MOST SECURE IN AMERICAN HISTORY?
HOW DO YOU KNOW?
>> WELL, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TO SECURE THIS ELECTION FOR FOUR
YEARS.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ALL 50 STATES, THOUSANDS OF
JURISDICTIONS WORKING WITH THE ENTIRETY OF THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMUNITY, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, WE WORKED TO IMPROVE
AND SECURE THE SYSTEM AND WE JUST HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE
BASED ON THAT WORK, BASED ON THE RELATIONSHIPS AND BASED ON
HONESTLY THE THREATS THAT WE SAW EMERGE AND ABLE TO KNOCKDOWN,
THERE WAS NO FOREIGN INTERFERENCE WITH THIS ELECTION.
>> Stephen: BUT THERE WERE, WE SAW THREATS EMERGE AND KNOCK
THEM DOWN, CAN YOU TELL US WHAT THE THREATS WERE YOU KNOCKED
DOWN?
>> YES.
SO ABOUT, I THINK AROUND OCTOBER 22ND OR SO THE IRANIANS
ACTUALLY SENT SOME E-MAILS AROUND, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THAT
WERE PURPORTEDLY FROM THE PROUD BOYS.
>> Stephen: OH, RIGHT.
>> INTIMIDATING VOTERS AND WE SAW THAT.
WE WERE ABLE TO CONCLUSIVELY PROVE IT WAS NOT IRANIANS AND
GOT INFORMATION OUT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND ABOUT 27
HOURS FROM THE FIRST DETECTION OF THOSE E-MAILS TO THE ACTUAL
PRESS CONFERENCE AND I THINK THAT WAS JUST A REAL HISTORIC
RAPID DEBUNKING OF THREATS TO OUR ELECTIONS.
>> Stephen: YOU TOOK AN OATH TO PROTECT AGAINST FOREIGN AND
DOMESTIC THREATS.
WE EXPECTED THE FOREIGN THREATS.
DID YOU EXPECT THESE DOMESTIC THREATS TO OUR FAITH IN THE
INTEGRITY OF OUR ELECTION?
BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS BEEN GIVING THE PRESIDENT A LOT OF ROPE,
GIVE HIM TIME, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME HE HAS EVER LOST W HAVE TO
HANDLE HIM WITH KIDS GLOVES BUT HE IS JUST GETTING WORSE.
>> SO EVERYONE THAT ENTERS FEDERAL SERVICE PLEDGES AN OATH
TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION FROM THREATS FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC AND
SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
WE WENT IN, WE PUT COUNTRY OVER PARTY, YEAH I AM A LIFELONG
REPUBLICAN, I AM NOT ASHAMED TO ADMIT IT BUT ULTIMATELY IT WAS
MORE IMPORTANT THAT THIS AMERICAN EXPERIMENT THAT TIMES
CAN SEEM SO FRAGILE, WE HAD TO PROTECT IT AND MOVE FORWARD AND
YEAH, THERE WAS DOMESTIC DISINFORMATION AND IT CONTINUES
TO THIS DAY THAT IS ACTIVELY UNDERMINING THE AMERICAN VOTER'S
CONFIDENCE IN THE PROCESS AND I THINK IT IS JUST -- IT HAS GOT
TO STOP.
IT HAS TO STOP.
>> Stephen: NOW, YOU ARE A HIGH TECH GUY, I SAW THE CYBER
IN THE TITLE THERE, BUT YOU LOVE PAPER BALLOTS.
WHY DO YOU LOVE PAPER BALLOTS SO MUCH?
CAN WE MAKE IT EVEN MORE PRIMITIVE?
SHOULD WE JUST GO WITH JELLYBEANS IN A CAN, WHAT ABOUT
YOUR STICK YOUR FINGER IN THE DYE THING PEOPLE DO SOMEWHERE IN
THE WORLD?
>> THAT IS I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE EXTREME, BUT LOOK THE
APPROACH HERE IS KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID, AND PART OF WHAT PAPER
GIVES YOU IS SOMETHING TANGIBLE THAT YOU CAN RUN BACK AND YOU
CAN CHECK.
YOU HAVE GOT BASICALLY YOU HAVE THE RECEIPTS AND YOU CAN GO BACK
AND CONFIRM THE OUTCOME, AND SO I THINK PROGRESS THAT ELECTION
OFFICIALS MADE OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS OF GETTING MORE PAPER
BASED, PAPER BASED SYSTEMS OUT THERE, WE HAVE GOT TO CONTINUE
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL PAPER BASED AND POST ELECTION AUDITS
THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING HAVE TO DO TO RESTORE
CONFIDENCE IN THE ELECTIONS.
>> Stephen: SO WITH SO MANY AMERICANS RIGHT NOW, AND WHO
KNOWS IT MIGHT BE A FLEETING LOSS OF CONFIDENCE, BUT WITH SO
MANY AMERICANS RIGHT NOW WITH A LOSS OF CONFIDENCE CAN IN OUR
ELECTIONS, WHAT DO YOU THINK CAN BE DONE TO RESTORE THAT?
>> THERE IS THE THING THAT CONCERNS ME MOST RIGHT NOW, IS
THESE NUMBERS YOU CITE, WE SEE IT ALL OVER THE PLACE IN
TRADITIONAL MEDIA AND SOCIAL MEDIA THERE ARE PEOPLE ACTIVELY
QUESTIONING WHETHER THEY SHOULD EVEN PARTICIPATE IN DEMOCRACY,
AND MY MENTION TO THEM IS YOU ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE
CONFIDENCE IN YOUR ELECTION OFFICIALS THE FIRST THING WE
NEED TO DO IS CONTINUE INVESTING NO DEMOCRACY, I THINK CONGRESS
NEEDS TO FUND MORE GRANTS TO MODERNIZE SYSTEMS, THE SECOND IS
WE HAVE TO GET PAPER BALLOTS OUT THERE TO 100 PERCENT, WE ARE
PROBABLY AT ABOUT 90 PERCENT RIGHT NOW.
WE NEED 100 PERCENT PAPER BALLOTS AND MEANINGFUL POST
ELECTION AUDITS, AND THE THIRD THING IS, WE HAVE GOT TO GET
CIVIC EDUCATION BACK ON THE BOOKS IN K-12 AND PROBABLY WITH
ADULTS TOO SO WE HAVE GOT TO DO MORE TO EDUCATE ON HOW ELECTIONS
WORK AND THEY ARE NOT JUST EVERY FOUR YEARS.
>> Stephen: ON TUESDAY, GEORGIA ELECTION OFFICIAL DWAYNE
STERLING WARNED SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET KILLED DUE TO TRUMP
AND HIS FOLLOWERS RHETORIC.
TRUMP LAWYER YES NOVA, I THINK, EVEN MADE A THREAT ABOUT YOU,
YOU SHOULD BE DRAWN AND QUARTERED AND SHOT AT DAWN.
DO YOU HAVE A MESSAGE TO THE REPUBLICAN LEADERS WHO ARE
FANNING THESE FLAMES?
>> LOOK, WE SHOULD BE CELEBRATING ELECTION OFFICIALS
AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE, GETTING THEM INTO THEIR
JOBS, NOT FANNING THESE FLAMES AS YOU PUT IT, WHERE THEY ARE
THE -- THEY ARE GETTING TARGETED AND THEY ARE GETTING DEATH
THREATS.
THEY ARE THE HEROES OUT THERE.
WE NEED TO DO MORE TO SUPPORT THEM AND PROTECT THEM AND THE
REAL, YOU KNOW, THE LONGER TAIL ON THIS ISSUE IS THAT THESE
DEATH THREATS ARE GOING TO HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON ELECTION
OFFICIALS GOING FORWARD.
I MEAN, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WANT TO BE AN ELECTION
OFFICIAL NEXT CYCLE IF THE ELECTION DOESN'T TURN OUT THE
WAY THAT SOME MINORITY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO SEND DEATH THREATS
TO YOU.
THIS IS NOT HOW DEMOCRACY CAN WORK.
>> Stephen: LAST NIGHT, AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO GET GOING HERE
BUT I WANT, I SAW THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH LAST NIGHT,
THE PRESIDENT WENT ON A 46 MINUTE RANT THAT HAS BEEN CALLED
BY SOME THE MOST DISHONEST SPEECH OF HIS ENTIRE PRESIDENCY.
I WOULD LIKE TO RUN SOME OF THE CLAIMS THAT HE SAID LAST NIGHT
AND HAVE YOU FACT CHECK THEM, IF YOU ACTUALLY KNOW THE FACTS OF
THESE.
THERE WERE GLIMPSE IN THE DOMNION VOTING SYSTEM THAT
CHANGED VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.
>> SO I THINK THAT IS THE ANSWER OF COUNTY MICHIGAN ISSUE AND
THAT WAS JUST TWO DATABASES THAT WEREN'T STINKING UP, SINKING IS
UP PROPERLY AND THEY FIXED IT AND NO ISSUES, THEY HAD PAPER
BALLOTS, BY THE WAY THAT THEY ALWAYS HAD --
>> Stephen: SO THAT'S A NO?
>> VOTES MADE ON A DOMINION VOTING SYSTEM ARE COUNTED IN
FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
>> OH THIS ONE AGAIN.
BALLOTS ALL OF THOSE ARE COUNTED IN THE UNITED STATES.
I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THIS ONE.
I JUST DON'T.
>> Stephen: IN PENNSYLVANIA, BALLOTS WERE TAKEN AND COUNTED
AT A TOP SECRET LOCATION AWAY FROM POLL WATCHERS.
>> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT ONE TO BE FALSE, IN FACT I THINK THE
PRESIDENT TOLD THE LAWYERS THAT THERE WAS A NONZERO NUMBER OF
OBSERVERS IN THE ROOM.
>> Stephen: THE PRESIDENT SAID IN NEVADA YOU CAN SIGN YOUR NAME
IN SANTA CLAUS AND YOUR VOTE WOULD BE ACCEPTED.
>> THAT DEPENDS IS YOUR NAME SANTA CLAUS?
IF YOUR NAME IS SANTA CLAUS, THEN, YES.
>> Stephen: GOOD POINT.
>> THEY CHECK SIGNATURES.
>> Stephen: GOOD POINT IN ARIZONA MAIL-IN BALLOTS WERE
STOLEN FROM MAILBOXES AND HIDDEN UNDER A ROCK.
>> THAT ONE IS TRUE.
THERE WERE BALLOTS THAT HAS NOT BEEN CAST YET.
BUT IT IS BEING INVESTIGATED AND THOSE VOTERS THAT -- WHOSE
BALLOTS WERE STOLEN THEY WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO STILL
VOTE AFTERWARDS AND NOTIFIED.
>> Stephen: OKAY.
IN WISCONSIN, AT 3:42 A.M. ON ELECTION NIGHT THERE WAS A QUOTE
MASSIVE DUMP OF SUSPICIOUS VOTES FOR BIDEN.
HE HAD A CHART.
>> YEAH.
I AM UNCOMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT THIS, JUST THE MASSIVE DUMP
THING.
>> Stephen: OKAY.
>> BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS VOTES ARE SORTED SOMETIMES BEFORE THEY
WERE ENTERED INTO THE SYSTEM AND YOU MIGHT SEE STACKS OF BIDEN
STACKS OF TRUMP AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY SORTED AND THEY
ENTERED IT IN, BUT AGAIN PAPER BALLOTS, PAPER BALLOTS, THE ONES
AND ZEROS IN THESE MACHINES IS NOT THE IMPORTANT THING.
THE IT IS PAPER BALLOTS.
>> Stephen: RUDY GIULIANI PERSONALLY SAW DEAD PEOPLE
VOTING, HE WAS BITTEN BY ONE OF THEM, IT HAS BECOME A ZOMBIE
SITUATION AND THAT'S WHY HE IS SLOWLY MELTING BEFORE OUR EYES.
>> STEPHEN, I THINK WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT --
>> Stephen: I MADE THAT ONE UP.
I MADE THAT ONE UP.
I WAS JUST CHECKING.
WELL CHRISTOPHER KREBS, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR HELPING MAKE OUR ELECTIONS SECURE.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING AND SAYING THE RIGHT THING
PUBLICLY.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Stephen: STAY SAFE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Stephen: CHRISTOPHER KREBS, EVERYBODY, WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK
WITH AUBREY PLAZA.