Hey, Shawn. Hi gentlemen, how are you guys? Good. Hey, you were our first caller at
the church hall on our live launch day, weren't you? That's correct. I
remember you Shawn, welcome back. My question is, a few days ago the New York
Times, our so-called paper of record, printed a full-page ad, sponsored by an anti-
religious organization, entitled "It's Time to Quit the Catholic Church." Oh yes.
This ad was not only slanderous statements and outright lies about our faith, but a
cartoon caricature of a Catholic prelate that seriously reminded me of the
cartoon pictures I remember seeing in history that took place in Europe prior
to the Holocaust, the anti-semitic ones. Now we know as Christians we are being
singled out, because later a different organization tried running an ad
entitled "Why Quit Islam," and which the Times refused to print. They would not run it.
As Christians, how should we go about confronting Catholic bashing like this?
Yeah. Well, I think you're doing it right now, Shawn, by shining a light on it.
And I think first and foremost that's what we need to do, is expose this stuff.
You know, we've got to let people see, if we don't stand up and speak--
because listen, Shawn, as you're saying this, we have untold hundreds of
thousands of people all over the United States right now that are listening to
us, and they're saying, "You've got to be kidding me.
They're doing this?" Some people are learning about this. It's so egregious,
it's so outrageous, the double standard and the way Catholicism is just being
persecuted. I mean, I'll throw out another example: Piers Morgan, who has a late
night television sort of news interview show, I think he's on CNN, is it? Yeah. I
forget which--he's sort of the the de facto successor to Larry King. Right. He's a
mixed-up Catholic. Oh yeah, he's a mess. But he outright comes out and says, you
know, when he interviewed Kirk Cameron about homosexual marriage, "If you
are not in favor of homosexual marriage, you
are a bigot," and he comes out and says it. So all Catholics who are who are
practicing Catholics in union with the Church: "You are a bigot." The Pope: bigot.
All the bishops in the United States: bigots. This is what's going on,
and we've got to shine a light on it and say, "Look people, listen, even if you
are a radical left-winger, or whomever you are, can you see what is happening
here? That people are being persecuted simply for saying what they believe?" This
is my religious belief, this is my belief when it comes to natural law, not even
talking about Catholicism, but I believe homosexual actions are contrary to
natural law. You know, we don't need a Bible to tell us this. And yet, if
you say that, you are a bigot, you are belittled, and more and more it's coming
from the biggest bully pulpit in the United States, and that is from the
White House and the administration. More and more are, you know, setting the stage
for anyone who disagrees with them to be subject to the Bill-Maher-kind-of
nonsensical attacks. And so we've got to shine a light on it. You know, I am one
who believes in boycotts, absolutely I do. I believe that, you know, when
companies come out and and do things like this,
I will boycott; but most importantly, I think it's us shedding light on it. It's
shouting it wherever we can, it's being bold, it's standing up and being proud of
our Catholicism, proud of what we believe in, and we've got to be willing to take
the hit. So we gotta be willing to stand up and say, you know, "Marriage is between
one man, one woman." This goes back to Adam and Eve, long before there was the
United States of America, we're talking about what all of the religions of
the world have believed for 5000 years, I mean we're not the
extremists here. And I think if we shed light on this, and we preach
it, we shout it from the rooftops and everywhere we go, I think more and more
reasonable people are gonna be able to make the right conclusion. I think the
bottom line is, we have been quiet the last 40-50 years, we have been silent, and
now the the sleeping giant, I believe, Patrick, is beginning to awake. As Canada,
so the rest of the world, in some ways. I'm thinking of evangelical pastor
Stephen Boisson, up in Alberta, was forbidden from expressing his moral
opposition to homosexuality by this, you know, kangaroo court called the Alberta
Human Rights Tribunal. Sounds cuddly, doesn't it? It does. Now, after seven
years he was acquitted, but that's seven years of his time, anxiety, bandwidth, money,
and so on. So we have to get out of our slumber, our deep sleepwalk days
are over. And if I could add this: how many times have we heard--
and I know we're getting away from the the caller's actual question, but I think
all of these things are are related, but-- we've all heard the myth that "How is
allowing this man to marry this man over here, what does that have to do with you?
how is that affecting you?" You know, and that's the way it's been portrayed
forever, "You are a bigot trying to keep these two men or these two women
from marrying when it has nothing to do with you." But we're learning today, aren't
we, exactly what all of us have been shouting for years now, is that when you
change the law on the nature of marriage, what comes next is then what you can say
and what you can't say about marriage. What comes next is what's taught in
schools, what's allowed to be taught in schools, what you're allowed to say, and
and the state police coming down on you when you contradict. And what will
their cry be? "Well, it's legal! It's legal! So you can't say that." As Cardinal O'Connell
used to say, "The law is the great teacher." Yeah. Shawn in Temecula, good man,
good call, thanks for joining us once again.