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- [Steven] I'm sitting with Tess Davis,
the executive director of the Antiquities Coalition.
We wanna talk about looting in Cambodia.
- [Tess] The illicit antiquities trade affects few countries
more than the South East Asian the nation of Cambodia.
Which was the heart of the ancient Khmer Empire.
One of the most powerful forces in South East Asia.
And during the Angkorian period
which was from the ninth to the 15th century.
This kingdom extended far beyond Cambodia's
current boundaries, reaching into what is now
Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, and even Burma.
- [Steven] And they're probably best known
for the extraordinarily elaborate stone temples
and cities that were built most famously, Angkor Wat.
- [Tess] The Khmer built their capitol at Angkor
and filled it with great temples, reservoirs,
stone roadways, and bridges.
And the city had a population in the millions.
And it's crowning achievement, the 12th century temple
of Angkor Wat really rivals the pyramids in scale.
It's an amazing site.
- [Steven] But we wanna rewind a little bit,
and go back in history before Angkor Wat was built
and look at a town in what is now Northern Cambodia.
What was briefly the capitol of Khmer.
- [Tess] The site Koh Ker was the 10th century
capital of the Khmer Empire.
And today while Angkor Wat is welcoming throngs of tourist,
Koh Ker is still off the beaten path.
- [Steven] And we know from early French colonial reports
from the 19th and early 20th century,
because it was so remote it was largely untouched.
- [Tess] Well, the site is deep in the Cambodian jungle
and it was only rediscovered
by the outside world in the 1870s.
The site was so pristine that some of these early
French explorers described it as a sort
of outdoor museum given how many statues survived intact.
- [Steven] Fast forward to 1970s.
- [Tess] Cambodian art started to flood
the Western market in the 1970s, 80s and 90s
corresponding with the Killing Fields, with the genocide,
with the civil war, with the foreign occupation by Vietnam.
And were purchased by leading auction houses, museums
and collectors, no questions asked.
In the case of the pieces from Koh Ker,
you have these monumental works among the most
important pieces in the Khmer canon of art.
Appearing missing their feet,
broken in pieces from a war zone.
Yet they ended up in major collections.
- [Steven] And the reason that missing feet are important
is that the feet are still attached to
the pedestals at this site.
- [Tess] In 2007, conservator Simon Warrack
was visiting the site of Koh Ker.
And his eye was caught by these two impressive pedestals
with a pair of feet, the rest of the body
cut off at the ankles.
A work uncovered of what seemed to be a fit on display
at the Norton Simon Museum of Art in Pasadena
having been acquired in 1976.
And two years later, French archeologist,
Eric Bourdonneau confirmed Warrack's research
and then made an additional breakthrough
that the missing companion to the Nortorn Simon piece
which matched the other fragmented pedestal at Koh Ker,
was at the opposite coast of the United States.
And not only that, it was gracing the cover
of Sotheby's Asia week catalog.
The featured lot of the event if not the year.
- [Steven] Now Sotheby's should've known better.
They had been involved in numerous repatriation claims.
- [Tess] And in fact, we know from court records
that Sotheby's was on notice,
that the statue was stolen property.
The very expert hired to appraise the piece warned them
that is was quote definitely stolen
and that they should quote offer it back to
the National Museum of Cambodia
as a gesture of good will
and to save everyone some embarrassment.
Instead of heeding her advice, Sotheby's put it
on the cover of one of their most prominent catalogs.
With an estimated ticket price of around
two to three million dollars.
- [Steven] And they simply call the sculpture athlete.
But because we can match the sculpture to the feet
and the pedestal, we actually have an identification.
- [Tess] That's one of the tragedies of looting.
When cultural objects are removed from their place of origin
they lose so much of their meaning.
For example, there was no way identifying this statue
or its mate at the Norton Simon Museum.
But once matched to their pedestals,
it became clear that they were not warriors
as they had been described but they were the warriors
Bhima and Duryodhana engaged to this fight to the death
from the Hindu epic, the Mahabharata.
- [Steven] The sculptures themselves
are beautiful and unusual.
Most Khmer sculpture is relief sculpture.
And so these are rarities
because these are sculptures in the round.
They're also enormous and there's this sense of weight
and muscularity but still a fluidity that is one
of the stunning characteristics of Khmer art.
- [Tess] Originally these two figures would have been
surrounded by other figures watching them
in this three dimensional tableau.
- [Steven] But when they're looted and they show up isolated
at an auction house or in a museum display,
we lose the interaction between the figures,
we lose their meaning.
But not everybody behaved badly.
- [Tess] The discovery of the statue at Sotheby's
had off a chain reaction, resulting in a major story
by the New York Times and the federal lawsuit.
And this uncovered a number of statues that
had all been looted around the same time,
likely by the same people, from the same temple at Koh Ker
and yet, nonetheless made their way into prominent
American collections including
the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
Now, to the Met's credit as soon as Cambodia presented them
with evidence that these statues were stolen,
the Met stood up and did the right thing and have since
built a very strong relationship
with the royal government of Cambodia that has resulted
in loans back and forth.
- [Steven] And so although the Met lost
this important object, it is now the beneficiary
of perhaps even more important ongoing loans.
One of the real remaining problems
is that there is undoubtedly a tremendous amount
of important Cambodian art in private collections.
- [Tess] By far the bulk of antiquities disappear into this
black market and ending up in private collections
around the world and maybe one day
they'll resurface, maybe they won't.
I mean we're still seeing looted art from World War Two
that were stolen from Jewish families throughout Europe,
just resurfacing today.
- [Steven] And so, you have these gorgeous architectural
monuments that are now defaced.
- [Tess] Due to the trade and art and antiquities
we've lost countless knowledge about these sites.
But the losses go beyond that.
At a site like Koh Ker, if it's statuary were intact
it would be a major tourist draw.
And so it's having economic consequences
for Cambodia to this day.
There is clear evidance that the looting and trafficking
of blood antiquities in Cambodia helped to prolong the war
by continuing to finance hostilities.
And unfortunately because of this demand
for looted Cambodian art, it's too dangerous
to return these statues to their original temples.
They are going to be kept
in the National Museum for safekeeping.
And as I think also an important symbol
of Cambodia's recovery after the war.
This is not just about art.
Like these statues so many Cambodian families
were broken up by the war
and you have people starting to return today
and it's an important part of this recovery to bring home
these statues where they belong
so, Cambodian children can go and see these statues
today and learn about their great past
and hopefully to inspire their equally great future.
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