No, our fiercest rivals are not Tottenham.
Please don't say that.
TY: Fiercest rivals are not Tottenham. FLAV: Please don't say that.
Our fiercest rivals are not Tottenham.
FLAV: Ty. TY: They are Chelsea,
Liverpool and Man City.
Ty, it's not something you can choose.
You can't choose that.
TY: Well, we can. FLAV: This is the crux of our relationship.
We can. No, no, there is no relationship.
There's no relationship.
We just see you, and want to beat you, and that's it.
You can't say what you're saying.
Yo, how's it going?
Yeah, fine, Flav, how are you?
Not too bad.
You alright?
Alright.
You warm?
Yeah, what about you?
Yeah, not too bad.
I'm looking forward... Looking forward to this?
TY: Yeah, of course. FLAV: A different conversation now
than it would have been 10 years ago.
Well, it's still the same to me.
Well, we'll see, won't we?
I don't see anything's changed.
Well, there are several things that have changed, isn't there?
Trophy wins?
Well, I'm sure we'll get into it.
Okay, so nothing has changed, then.
Lots of things have changed. We'll get into it.
If it's not trophies, I don't see what's changed.
Okay, well, it's gonna be a short conversation, then, Ty.
It will be. League positions are not trophies.
That's what I know.
Okay.
CONNOR: Three, two, one.
Only time ever. I can't believe it.
And you know what you're going to do?
Firstly-
Tell me, tell me, because you're in our dressing room,
so tell me everything we're doing.
Arsenal was too afraid to fulfill this fixture.
Of course we are, of course.
TY: Of course we are. FLAV: White feather,
white feather. You're cowards.
Oh, Ravanelli?
White feather. Fantastic player.
No, I'm talking about the actual white flower,
the symbol of cowardice.
Oh, really?
Well, you should know that well.
Why? We were there, we were ready to play.
It's emblazoned on your club badge.
What, the white?
The white, yeah.
It isn't the colour white.
Doesn't matter. Forget about the feather, right?
Look, your...
This was the first time a team in the North London derby,
a game that's as significant as the North London derby,
and you didn't show up.
We didn't show up?
So hold on, hold on, okay.
You shouldn't be defending this.
You should be furious with your football club.
Because they have embarrassed you.
The only thing that can-
We will never forget this.
The only thing that can embarrass me
is when we don't beat Tottenham.
That's the only thing that embarrasses me.
You should be embarrassed by this.
I'm not embarrassed. What I'm laughing at
is that we didn't turn up. No, it's not we didn't turn up.
You were too afraid to play.
You were worried about the result.
No, we didn't-
Why wouldn't you be worried about...What is it about, then?
We didn't turn up.
It's not like something where you don't show up.
We already told the league that we don't have a team,
we have Covid cases.
That's lies.
So hold on, so you...
Lies. You were sending players out on loan.
Literally the day after, you sent Mari out on loan to Italy.
Who?
Pablo Mari, right?
Yeah, he's gone on loan. That's right, to Flamengo, yeah.
Ainsley went to Roma.
So if you don't have players,
why are you sending them out on loan?
Because you didn't want to fulfill this fixture,
'cause you know you were gonna get clumped.
Clumped by who?
Spurs.
The thing about it is that...
The point is, you didn't want to show up
to the North London derby against your fiercest rivals.
No, our fiercest rivals are not Tottenham.
Please don't say that.
TY: Fiercest rivals are not Tottenham. FLAV: Please don't say that.
Our fiercest rivals are not Tottenham.
Ty.
They are Chelsea,
Liverpool and Man City.
It's not something you can choose. You can't choose that.
TY: We can, we can. FLAV: This is the crux of our relationship.
We can. No, no, there is no relationship.
There's no relationship.
We just see you, and want to beat you, and that's it.
You can't say what you're saying.
I'm saying it exactly.
I'm saying it exactly. That's what I'm saying,
we don't worry about you.
You hate Chelsea more than Tottenham?
I don't hate anyone.
Right, no, I apologise.
Alright, I don't wanna bring that into your life.
That's fine.
Who winds you up more?
Chelsea or Tottenham?
Well, it depends, it depends.
I'm not pleading for your rivalry, but I'm shocked.
I'll tell you two ways.
Chelsea... The most annoying team for me, with fans,
are Manchester United, so I laugh all the time
when they get dissed,
because they are always so obsessed by us.
I don't know what to say to this.
You're supposed to be, like...
The North London derby is one of the most significant games
in the world, in the world.
There isn't... There's no name for the game
that Arsenal and Chelsea play.
There isn't.
There's no history between Tottenham,
Arsenal and Chelsea, other than what happens on the pitch.
And this is the crux.
This comes to the crux of it. Arsenal fans
are more obsessed about...
We're obsessed about nothing.
About what happens on the pitch.
That's the most important thing to you, right? I get it.
I don't know if it's obsessed. It's the truth.
But that's what I'm saying is, every time there's a loss,
there's a complete meltdown at your football club.
And there's no meltdown when you lose?
FLAV: No, no, no, no. TY: Oh, so okay.
Nowhere near as significant.
Okay, then, so when Harry Kane was in bad form,
there was no meltdown?
No.
Eh, you tried to call us cowards.
You are cowards.
We're not cowards. Cowards don't have an invincible team.
Cowards don't win the most FA Cups.
Cowards don't win the league twice at White Hart Lane.
I understand football rivalry.
But you didn't show up, Ty, to the game.
Let me say, let me...
'Cause you were worried about what would happen.
No, let me say what I'm saying.
You were afraid.
TY: Let me say what... Afraid, afraid? FLAV: Yeah.
Why didn't you show up?
So if I'm afraid, would I be wearing this?
No, not you as a person. Your club.
The club is not afraid. We're not afraid of anything.
Ty, you're being forced to answer this question.
It's not forced. I can answer this all day.
No, no, look, look, what I'm saying
is I'm putting this to you
because your club didn't show up, right?
TY: We didn't show up. FLAV: And you should've shown up.
No, we shouldn't have.
You could beat us a hundred times in a row,
it wouldn't be as embarrassing
as not showing up for this game.
No, no, no, see, we're not embarrassed.
TY: We're not embarrassed. The only embarrassing thing... FLAV: You should be. You shouldn't be defending this.
TY: I will defend anything. FLAV: You should be furious.
I will defend everything that the club does which is right.
I will defend everything that the club does.
This was not right. This was wrong.
No, but you can...
No one else is saying this other than Arsenal fans.
But you can say that, you can say that.
Ty, this is the greatest gift that
Arsenal Football Club's ever given to Tottenham.
What's that?
You didn't show up.
We will always see you as Coward FC.
But that's fine. You can sit there,
but then what...
There will be songs sung about this.
And by who?
By Spurs fans.
And we care?
FLAV: Huh? TY: Do we care?
Yeah, you will.
Why would we care?
It would be embarrassing for you.
Your songs mean nothing to us.
Only when it's the songs about
"we're a greater team than you".
Your songs mean nothing to us.
Why would we care? That's what I'm saying.
Why would we care what you think?
You don't care. Do you care what we think?
I care the fact that you hate Chelsea more than us.
I genuinely do care about that.
Okay, I didn't say I hate Chelsea.
I didn't say I hate Chelsea.
I said Chelsea's a bigger game.
Do you care what we think?
Do you care?
Just, what I mean...
Do you care what we think? Yes or no?
Yeah.
No, you don't. No, you're lying!
You're lying. Exactly, you're lying!
It's a shame you can't take a lie detector test.
You're lying!
I don't need a lie detector test. I'm telling the truth.
You're not telling the truth. Look at you.
You're looking away. You don't care about us.
So why should we care?
Why should we care anything about you?
You can't... You won't be able to control your emotions.
But why should we care about anything...
A coward is about the worst thing you can be called.
Call me a coward, prove it.
Not you. You are not. Arsenal fans are not. Your club is.
No, and I'm talking for my club.
If Tottenham call us a coward, let's stand there.
Tottenham, get your medals out, we get our trophies out.
We'll see who the cowards are.
Go on, then. Call us a coward, prove it.
TY: If you call someone- No, it does matter. FLAV: It doesn't matter.
If you call someone a coward, prove it.
CONNOR: Okay, let's cut it there. We've got enough.
This is great.
Is it?
It is great, it is great, 'cause I can do this all day.
I sense you're in your element, you're in your element.
CONNOR: I think that's the problem.
You can do this all day, Ty.
CONNOR: Three, two, one.
You can't, you can't, you can't just.
Can't what? I can't what?
I know you've made it abundantly clear
that you defend Arsenal at all costs,
but there needs to be some parameter.
Parameter?
You can't strongly disagree when we're above you currently
in the league. We've been above you for six...
I can strongly disagree.
Six seasons.
Really?
And the fact we're above you in the league now.
And?
So it's not a..
This would suggest that we're gonna finish 15th.
Eh?
TY: This is what you... FLAV: You're so sure...
Alright, look, in order to try and get this going,
like, to just try and soften you a little bit,
let's go agree and you'll go disagree.
No, I'll go strongly disagree.
But you can't.
TY: I can. FLAV: We're above you in the league.
We have a game in hand.
If you ever show up for another North London derby
and we beat you, it's over.
And if we beat you?
Then we have a game in hand. We can still go for...
And if you lose your game in hand?
Yeah, they're big...
Okay, so that's why I'm strongly disagreeing.
Yeah, but they're ifs.
Ifs, buts.
What if we don't?
Woulda, coulda, shoulda.
Fair enough.
I think we can finish third.
We can finish third.
And so could we.
No.
No, exactly, so you're telling me no?
You, as a Tottenham fan, are telling me no?
Yes, I am. What a laugh.
Well, I know about finishing above you in the league.
Yeah, I know about winning the league, then.
What's your point?
My point is the question
is whether or not you're going to...
Who's going to finish above who.
Exactly.
And you can't, in the good...
There's a lot of people here, right?
They put us together to talk about it.
Take the game seriously.
I'm very grateful and I'm thankful for them,
but they'd also want me
to say the truth according to me in football terms.
So this is the truth according to me.
But what I'm saying is in order
to have a proper conversation,
you need to renege a little bit.
You got to give a little bit of ground,
because you can't say this, 'cause it's not true.
I can say whatever I like.
And there's no proper conversation.
There's no proper conversation,
because you're not even on our level, so...
We must be. We've finished above you six times.
And you've won nothing.
We're above you now.
And you've won nothing.
Leicester finished above us.
They won the league. At least they won it.
So they're above you.
So if they finish above you...
They're not above us, they're not above us now.
They're not above us now. Leicester won the league once,
which is more than you in the Premier League.
Alright, look.
And even Leicester can't even say anything to us. Nothing.
They can't say anything to us,
even though they've won the league,
and they won the FA Cup and beat Chelsea.
Even they can't talk to us.
So what makes you think you can talk to us?
This is one of the most exhausting conversations
I've ever had. TY: Of course it is.
What did you expect?
Did you expect an easy ride against a Gooner?
TY: Who knows.. FLAV: I didn't know who...
I literally didn't know who I was...
Nor did I,
but when they told us me was it was a Tottenham fan,
I knew that there's no worth competing.
But if I would have said,
"You got to sit down in front of Ty and argue with him,"
I would have gone, "Mm, nah, you're alright.
I could probably do something else."
That's fair enough. I take that as a compliment, then.
But the thing is, fundamentally,
there's nothing I can say,
because you're always going to just back Arsenal regardless.
Well, regardless in the fact that if we've done something
that I think goes over the top,
then I can't back that. FLAV: No, I understand.
So you mean morally and ethically, you've got a sound...
I'm sensing that you're a quite ethically grounded guy.
Of course, because we're talking about football.
But you are lying.
TY: I'm lying? FLAV: You're lying.
For someone who's so nice...
I'm lying?
So you can see inside me?
There is doubt in you.
Well, get a lie detector test, then.
Get a polygraph, then.
I can't be a**ed.
Why don't you get a polygraph?
Get a polygraph to prove that I'm lying.
In fact...
Ty, there is doubt in you.
DANNY: Is there anything you like about Spurs?
It's a good question.
Not really, no.
I don't want him to say yes.
First he doesn't hate us,
and now he likes bits about us.
I don't hate anyone, I don't hate anyone.
I know, I know. Just forgive me.
Of course, of course, of course.
The fact that they've allowed us to win the league
twice at White Hart Lane.
I mean, without Tottenham, there would be no Arsenal,
so, you know, I mean, we came into...
There.
That's something we can agree on.
Come on.
Well, I won't clink your glass.
Because we moved onto your territory,
so, you know.
Yes, you did.
But this is what I'm saying, that's what our rivalry...
I shouldn't have to convince you of this.
Our rivalry is more significant than the little spat
you had with Chelsea a few years back.
Well, I suppose it is,
but I just think Chelsea is a bigger rival.
That's what I'm saying.
OK. Alright.
Three, two, one.
Man for man, meaning,
if you paired up every single player...
Yep.
...that there wouldn't be a single player
that gets in the Arsenal team.
Is that what you're saying?
That's man for man, isn't it?
If that's what the question...
If that's what you think I'm saying, then fair enough.
I'm prepared to go with that.
What?
I'm prepared to go with that,
if that's what you think I'm saying.
Because you seem to be able to read my mind, so...
But you... Alright, alright, sorry.
What are you saying?
What I'm saying is exactly that.
There's not a single Tottenham player
that will get into the Arsenal team?
Yeah, only one that's gonna help us win.
How is it that we're above you in the league
if not a single one of our players...
Lloris doesn't get in above Ramsdale?
Nope.
Kane doesn't get in above any of your forwards?
Nope.
This is pointless. This is a completely...
No, that's Alistair McGowan.
That's a good show, that's a good show.
Alexander Armstrong, sorry, Alexander Armstrong.
It's a good show, it's a good show.
That's one thing you've... No, it doesn't matter.
That's nonsense, Ty, it's nonsense.
You can't defend that, you can't defend that.
If you truly believe Kane doesn't get into the Arsenal team,
then everything you've said is nonsense.
What did I say?
I just said,
does Kane get into any of your front three positions?
And you said "no".
There isn't another single human being on Earth
that believes that.
That's not madness.
Madness are also another fantastic group.
My favourite was Baggy Trousers.
But anyway...
No one else in the world believes that but you, T.
No one else in the world?
No one. There isn't...
Tell me any... Find me one other person
who believes that Harry Kane
doesn't get into the Spurs team.
There isn't anyone.
TY: In the Spurs team? FLAV: Except you.
He doesn't get into the Spurs team, did you say?
Arsenal, sorry, sorry, sorry.
You're deflecting, and it's good.
I'm deflecting nothing.
TY: I'm sorry. FLAV: Son doesn't get in?
Nope.
TY: I'm sorry, no. FLAV: No, no?
No, Son, no.
I mean, that's nonsense.
I mean, luckily,
there's gonna be people in the comments...
Who can say whatever they want. They are not me.
But they don't have a dog in the fight, right?
Yeah, well, so they say.
They can say whatever they want.
They can say whatever they want. This is what I am saying.
CONNOR: Ty, Previously, you said
that Lloris wouldn't get in the Arsenal team.
Yeah, not at the moment. No, I don't think so.
CONNOR: Well, elaborate on that.
Why is Aaron Ramsdale currently better than Hugo Lloris?
TY: Because Aaron has been absolutely incredible.
I rate Lloris, I think he's a great goalkeeper,
but at the moment, Aaron is on better form.
I think he's been incredible for us.
You, by your own admission, don't watch Tottenham,
so you don't actually know that's true.
No, I don't watch Tottenham.
You don't know that's true, then, do you?
What I know is true
is that Lloris is not playing better than Aaron.
That's what I know for true.
I mean, look, if you look at who you'd want long term
next two, three years, then you're gonna choose
a World Cup-winning captain.
What's Ramsdale won, what's Ramsdale won?
In your own words, he's won bugger all.
Yeah, okay, and how many...
He's got two relegations,
Lloris is picking up World Cups.
Yeah, World Cup winner.
You're picking him because he plays for Arsenal.
FLAV: That's why you're doing it. TY: World Cup-winning Lloris,
who has not won a trophy at Tottenham,
even though he's been there for 10 years.
So, but,
on that note, right?
You're saying that you'd rather have Lacazette
play for Arsenal...
Absolutely, he's doing it at the moment.
...than Harry Kane?
Absolutely.
He's doing it at the moment.
Yeah, but that's madness again.
What's madness?
TY: Alexandre's won... FLAV: Because no one would...
...won the FA Cup, yeah?
No one chooses... Man City didn't come in for Lacazette.
And?
Alexandre's won the FA Cup, right?
Harry Kane's won nothing, right?
So Pep Guardiola's eye for a player
might be slightly better than yours.
Maybe.
I'm not saying that.
I don't think you think it is, actually.
So you're saying because Man City didn't come in
for Alexandre, I should want Harry Kane instead of him?
No, I'm saying that surely, you would want,
if he wasn't a Tottenham player,
that you'd want the best players
playing for your football club,
otherwise you wouldn't be going for Vlahović.
Absolutely.
Allegedly, we're going for him.
No one's coming for us. Doesn't matter.
What do you mean?
We don't have to say allegedly.
Oh, yeah, no, allegedly, because I don't believe anything
until it happens, so it's just all rumours.
The thing about it is that you're saying that... I'm sorry,
I look at our team, I look at Tottenham's team.
And I'm sorry, I don't want anyone.
I respect that.
I don't want any Tottenham
FLAV: I respect that. TY: ...players in my team.
And you're right. I don't want any Arsenal, fam.
The thought of an Arsenal player playing for Spurs
makes me sick.
Well, in this instance,
for the purpose of answering this question,
I can rise above the rivalry and suggest
that there are Arsenal players that would get
into the Tottenham team currently.
Okay, that's very gracious of you.
Yeah, I mean, it's just doing our jobs.
Reason why we're here.
Do you know what I mean?
You know, there are, but I don't wanna list players.
Okay, so...
so you don't really mean it, then?
I do mean it, but it's horrible to say, isn't it?
No, but you don't mean it, then, so there's no point.
You might as well say you don't.
So I mean, I would admit that Saka
could get into the Spurs team.
Oh, Bukayo could.
Well, that's magnanimous of you.
But it's just logic, isn't it?
I wouldn't want him, because he's a gooner.
But just on the right side, we've got a bit of an issue
we need solving and he would solve it
should he come into the team.
'Cause you can do that, you can do that.
Well, if you're prepared to concede, I suppose.
If we were on our last legs, maybe Son could maybe get near
the subs bench. On their last legs.
Possibly.
CONNOR: Three, two, one.
I mean, go on.
Bottle jobs.
I mean, look, I'm not, I can't just...
We are bottle... Well, we are, aren't we?
We have bottled.
I didn't expect that.
I'm not just gonna go on a rant about Spurs,
there are bigger bottle jobs out there than Tottenham,
the fact is, we have bottled it a lot, we have.
Well, that's very honest.
I don't know what else to say.
I can't say anything.
We haven't won anything, so how can you not...
When we win something, then I might have a different thing
to say, but, you know,
I still would much rather follow Tottenham
than anybody else, so...
We didn't bottle a game of football is all I'd say.
Yeah, you bottled everything else, so that's alright.
You've bottled trophies, haven't you?
Look, fundamentally,
there's some things you can't argue against,
and Spurs have...
The evidence is there, in the last 10 years,
especially, that we've continuously bottled major moments.
Champions League final, not beating Leicester
and finishing third in a two-horse race,
as you lot like to say.
Is that what we say?
Maybe not, then. I don't know.
I don't know anything. Everything I thought I knew
about Arsenal fans, I don't.
Yeah, you know, there's that.
Countless semi-finals. It's frustrating.
It's frustrating, and there's nothing much I can say
other than there is significant evidence
to suggest that Tottenham do bottle big occasions,
but it won't be forever.
TY: How long will it be? FLAV: I don't know.
Ages, probably, but I don't know.
Let's just hold on to the positives.
Well, I think it'll be forever, personally.
Brilliant.
Well, I think that's what we can agree on.
Well, cheers.
Do not tip my glass.
F**king hell.
It's great.
You're welcome back anytime, Flav, to argue with me.
This is the last conversation we're ever gonna have
about football, ever.
Okay, that's great, okay.