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as a guide to the running of their homes.
"We are the Drudge family.
Together, we have three girls, three boys, who love sports.
We've held them back a year in school
so that they have an edge competing against their peers."
All of a sudden I'm feeling a little uncomfortable
with this family. ( laughs )
"A big welcome to our punk, zen, vegan home."
Wow, that's totally opposite than us.
I'm really not quite sure the definition of vegan,
but I'm going to be hungry, for sure.
"There's only one place for the Drudge's
and that's first place."
( laughs ) Whoa.
I don't think I've ever gotten a trophy.
Ever.
For anything.
"Jason has his own quirks too.
He likes to play the guitar while he's pooping."
Oh, my God. I just don't get it.
I don't get it.
"We have a sweet, two-year-old daughter.
Our parenting style is to let her dictate
what she wants to do.
We're all just buddies."
I don't think a parent should be a buddy.
"Ramona is in bed somewhere around 10:00 PM."
Oh! 10:00 PM for a two-year-old,
that's too late.
"My kids and Jay have to eat meat with every meal."
( sniffles )
I just, I mean, I'm coming from a perspective
where I don't think eating meat
is gonna keep them in each other's lives for very long.
You know?
"We are not a competitive family.
Sometimes, the competitive aspect of sports takes
the fun out of it."
I mean, I totally disagree with that
because, I mean, maybe it's 'cause we win a lot,
unlike, um, just sitting down and playing a guitar.
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and families.
- Hi! - Hi.
- How's it going? - How are you?
- Good, how are you? - Hi, sweetie.
Come on, say hi. Come on, be nice.
I know, it's a new person.
- How's it going? - Hi.
- My name's Jake. - I'm Nicole.
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
- Hi. - Hi, my name's Porter.
- Porter. - Shya.
- Shya. - Decklin.
- Decklin. - I'm Rin.
Rin, nice to meet you.
Uh, there's a lot of them.
- How you you doing? - Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you, what's going on?
- I like to hug people. - Good to see you.
I'm not a facial hair kind of person.
I think appearance is very important.
And you make your first impressions,
so when you go out, you look your best.
Do you know how many kids I have?
I have six.
Whoa! Somebody's got their hands full.
I think so, and it may be your momma.
( music playing )
Meeting Nicole, there was some awkwardness.
You got any questions?
Um...
Just trying to come up with something to talk about.
So, where's the sixth child?
Asa is at football practice
which happens right after school.
Mm-hmm.
Meeting the family for the first time
was actually pretty cool,
but they were a little stand-offish.
I would think that they would be excited
about meeting me and even ask some questions,
and they didn't.
My husband plays drums
and we're in a band.
So how are you? Tell me some things about you.
I'm a new dad figuring it out.
I didn't have a child till I was 42.
- I play in a band. - Yeah.
Um, I work at a bar.
I get ice and beer,
so I'm like the grunt worker.
The fact that he's 44 years old and has a two-year-old
and he's a bar back,
to me that's more of a job for, like, a college kid.
( chuckles )
I would worry about paying the bills.
So you're up for this?
- ( indistinct shouting ) - We've all been through the two-year-old,
you know what I mean?
And you're a little bit older.
- It makes it harder. - ( indistinct shouting )
You have to sleep good at night, though.
Does she sleep through the night?
She doesn't got to bed till like 11:00.
I know, I read that.
Could we try to get her to bed earlier?
Well, let's see. I kind of like that she goes to bed late.
I don't think there's anything wrong with her
going to bed late.
I have a feeling she's gonna give me a lot of advice.
I don't really want my life to be under a microscope
you know, like, by another person.
- ( sputters ) - Ramona, what are we going to do with you?
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These children need to play board games
like regular families.
You're out.
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into the competitive Drudge's winner take all mentality.
My kids end up living here half the time.
5:30 AM workout here.
Football, basketball, baseball game.
Every day all day long.
The Drudge's family held the kids back one year
so that they can get a competitive edge at sports.
It's just a strange situation.
All right, you ready, you gonna play with us?
- I don't know, am I? - I think you are.
It's time for a little competition.
I don't know how to play dodgeball.
- Ooh! Oh, my goodness. - That's weak.
- Ah! - Come here, boy!
Oh!
- Oof. - Oh.
Ow!
Nicole:
Kids: Oh!
These children need to play board games
like regular families.
Winner take all!
Being competitive all the time...
Decklin! Roll it!
Nicole:
- Ah! - You're terrible.
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Hey.
...new wife Katherine is getting ready to take on
Nicole's bartending job.
And you're gonna show me how to move around.
I'm not a bartender.
I'll show you where things kind of are.
Now, why are you not a bartender?
'Cause I don't like bartending. I have a bar back job.
You'd rather be on the back side.
- Yeah. I don't like dealing with the customers. - For what reason?
Jason is totally different than my husband, obviously.
I mean my husband's very successful,
very motivated, and I mean,
Jason reminds me of maybe my 22-year-old boyfriend.
What does your mom wear when she goes out?
She could wear a dress, shorts, anything.
It's really, whatever, you feel comfortable and like...
Get out?
Katherine: Where would I go?
Get out of here?
I just don't think that would ever happen in the Drudge household.
- Get out of here! - Ow.
I think even my youngest, at six years old,
would be welcoming hopefully to somebody that comes in the house.
- ( screaming ) - You're gonna love me by the time I leave.
Ramona: Get out of here!
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after a grueling afternoon of sports,
carefree Nicole is gonna have to help Jay
push the kids through hours of homework.
It looks like a lot of work.
Jayden: Yes, definitely.
Jayden, what do you gotta do?
I'm doing US history.
How many pages do you read a day?
Mmm, 100.
Let's have a goal of say 200 pages.
That doesn't seem realistic.
Saying that's good enough is hard for me.
I don't want to be average,
I want them to be better.
And the same with sports.
Now how long does it usually take you to
do your homework at night?
- A couple hours. - Nicole: A couple hours?
Do you think you're really learning from it, though?
Not really.
The Drudges, they have plans for their children.
They want them to be very successful.
If you want to be a doctor,
we can't be getting Cs and Ds.
Nicole:
they're their parents' goals.
Kids just need to make their own choices.
Sometimes you gotta, like, lay back for a minute.
You know? Like, live in the moment.
Have you ever heard of child-led education?
Un-schooling.
I've never heard of that before.
I'm not sure I would be comfortable with it.
I just don't want these kids to continue to feel
like they're not good enough.
- Here it is. - Yeah, here it is.
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Nicole:
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Jason: All right, we gotta go to work.
- Okay, really? - It says what it is on there.
And I just pull it down and I fill it all the way to the top?
Yeah, all the way up to the top.
Tonight, I'm gonna have to pull double duty.
I'm gonna have to do my normal job, which is bar backing
and I'm gonna have to train Katherine on the fly.
I think it's just gonna be a hot mess.
Enjoy yourself. Oh, God.
I like a good gin and tonic.
- It has gin and tonic. - Just gin and tonic.
- Make two of those with lime. - Yeah, add lime to it, please.
- Okay, hold on. - Thank you.
This is probably sink or swim and most likely
I'm gonna sink.
Am I supposed to pour that for you or anything?
Woman: Yes, please.
I honestly have never mixed a cocktail in 46 years of my life.
Swear to God. I'm so lost.
- She wants a shot. - No, I don't want a shot.
- She wants a woo-hoo shot. - I don't want a woo-hoo shot.
- What, you wanna make a shot? - Yeah, she wants a woo-hoo shot.
Vodka, cranberry, triple sec.
All right, so here. Here's how you do this.
Okay, see, you're telling me that you don't know how to bartend--
- Well, I mean-- - But you really do.
'Cause I don't wanna do it.
So I think Jason is just hiding.
I'm a bar back. I'm not a bartender.
He's hiding behind the bar.
You know, he hides in the house all day.
taking care of a two-year-old,
so is he hiding behind the beard, too?
I think I'm moving you from the back to the front.
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is expected to cook lunch for the meat-loving Drudge family.
We're trying to load pounds on these kids,
- and muscle all these kids. - Mm-hmm.
I don't really feel comfortable cooking meat.
I can help you prep the French fries,
but I'm morally opposed to slaughtering animals.
So I just can't do it.
Eating that much meat leads to Type II Diabetes and heart disease.
I just want people to be able to live a long life.
- Buy some veggie burgers. - Oh, yeah, we could.
- So... - How do you cook those?
Just in a pan.
I don't know if it was a veggie chicken sandwich
or a veggie burger kind of thing.
Is that the burger or is that the bun?
Nicole: That's the burger.
It kind of looked like cardboard to me.
I would love to tell you I could sell ice to Eskimos,
but I don't think I can sell meat to Nicole.
I think she's, uh, she's not going for it.
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Katherine is about to see what it's like
to play in a punk rock band.
Okay, is this where I'm standing, right here?
Jason: Yeah, she's the bass player.
Singing punk, you really have to really just kind of
use your entire body, you know?
You gotta get your veins popping out of your neck, you know,
and just, like, go for it.
So the first-- she sings first
then I guess just follow our lead.
( playing drums and guitar )
( indistinct singing )
It's loud, it's crazy,
it's just not the kind of music I listen to
at 44 years old.
My head right now is ringing.
What this band is to me at his age,
should be a hobby.
There's bills that have to be paid.
Living in the life of Jason and Nicole
is a life of relaxation, laissez-faire attitude.
Just no rules.
The hammer of Katherine is getting ready to come down.
( rock music continues )
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the new wives are ready to take control
and lay down their new rules.
Katherine:
my opinions from things in my life,
and my big family that have helped me
to maybe better his life.
And he needs to step it up a little bit.
He's 44 years old.
It's time for him to, well, become a man.
Nicole:
I don't know if they're gonna embrace it.
- Hey, guys. - Jason: What's happening?
Hey, Ramona.
Are you ready to listen to my rules?
Rule number one.
A two-year-old needs to be treated
as a two-year-old, not as an adult.
She's not your buddy.
But I want her to be my buddy.
I think, like, a good parent is to be a good friend.
I have friends, those are my buddies.
You have friends, those are your buddies.
But as she's little, you need to be the teacher,
the protector, the father.
Going to bed at 10:00 at night
has a lot to do with her running around.
Ramona should go to bed at 7:00.
That's just hard for me 'cause that's not my personality.
New rule: eating as much meat, dairy, and junk food
as this family does has been dragging you all down.
So as long as I'm here, no more meat
and no more dairy.
Jayden:
Most of these kids, they haven't eaten a vegetable in years.
and I think the stuff tastes like garbage.
- Jason, the next rule. - Jason: Okay.
To keep your life in order,
you have to keep your house in order.
- Okay. - But I want to get rid of the clutter.
- Really? - Really.
Nah.
Family time seems to be consistently about competition
and competition can breed aggression.
So, new rule, you all need
a non-competitive time together.
Really?
Every single day there's something that's competitive.
I don't like the non-competitive time.
Nicole: All right.
Jayden: I don't think you can prevent the competition,
it'll seep through no matter what.
And I like the competitive spirit.
It really pushes them to do better
rather than like, if, they were not competing,
they wouldn't do as good,
they wouldn't put as much effort in.
My advice for Ms. Nicole would be
just wake up and smell the roses
because the world is not this happy place
of no competitiveness.
I'll lead us in some family fun without competition.
We're believers in competition.
I think in business you compete,
- in life you compete. - Mm-hmm.
In sports you compete, in academics you compete.
It's gonna turn into a competition one way or the other.
It's just-- it just does.
I'm not interested in this.
Jason, it's time for you to come out from the back
and to the front.
You need to step up and financially help as well.
I have signed you up tomorrow to give a drum lesson
to a pre-teen.
Jason:
but I don't have confidence in my ability as a teacher.
So to take money for that it's just going to feel weird.
Jason, it's time for me to introduce you to a barber.
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Porter: Oh, gosh. Oh, my gosh.
No.
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by ridding the house of meat.
That's like $400 worth of groceries
you are taking out of there.
Asa, we're not allowed to eat dairy or meat.
- Oh, really? - No sugar at all.
And no more sports. We're missing our sports tomorrow.
- ( clicking sound ) - Shya: Yeah, we are.
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Did the middle school team win, Asa?
- Nope. - What was your score?
- Fifteen to seven. - Jay: How'd you do?
- Did you play quarter? - Asa: Yeah, I started out there.
Nicole:
their whole life.
This is a very rooted concept for this family,
and it kind of has to end.
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Katherine is determined to get the family's house in order first.
When there's less stuff,
it's easier to clean, you have more room for her to play and move.
Let's get rid of some stuff
that we really don't need.
Rid as in mean throw away?
Throw away, donate.
Jason:
but I can be very stubborn.
Can you consolidate at least one set of records in here?
With vinyl you gotta be careful,
you don't want to squeeze 'em all together.
Oh.
Can we consolidate these toys
into one of these other baskets?
Then you can't get to the blocks.
Can we throw this shell or is it good vibes?
Katherine:
You walk in, all you see is stuff.
It's like an up-hill battle for me.
- Do you use this? - Every day, that's a key bucket.
Can I pour this out?
Oh, wait, wait, wait, no, see, that's the pick bucket.
- What is this? - Jason: I don't know what that is.
Every time I try to get rid of something,
Jason's like, "No, I want that."
You have empty bottles with nothing in them. Can I throw them away?
- No, no, no-- Okay, so what we do-- no, no, no. - You're like my grandmother.
When I'm trying to move things over, he moves it back.
This is the bug catcher though.
This has to be out. This is how I catch bugs and let them go, so...
You catch bugs and then let them go?
Yeah, why would you kill a bug?
It's a living being. I don't kill bugs.
You know, you also worry about, um, if it's not mounted
- to the wall. - Right, it could be tipped over.
This is pretty, this is heavy.
Yeah, but heavy means it could fall.
Man, records are hard to-- ooh!
- ( crying ) - Oh.
An organized house means an organized life for sure.
It just came out.
See, baby proofing. Baby proofing.
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win over the kids with a vegan treat they can't resist.
Decklin, does it taste like the pizza you normally eat?
- Kind of. - Nicole: Yeah, it's similar.
It tastes different than normal cheese,
like, the one that we eat, but I still like it a lot.
I heard a yummy in my tummy again from--
- That's not bad. - Nice!
Nicole:
why I'm trying to make the point I'm trying to make.
I just want people to be able to live a long life
and enjoy it, and not have Type II Diabetes,
and heart disease.
Yeah, this is really good, actually.
Nicole: Good.
Narrator:
that Jason put his daughter to bed at a decent hour.
Let's go, a routine.
It's gotta be the same thing every single night.
Every-- the same thing.
But even though life is not routine,
things are different every day.
It's not, but when you have a two-year-old, guess what?
It's gotta be routine.
Jason:
but I want as few as possible.
Okay, come on.
You got it, daddy, be strong.
- ( Ramona cries ) - Here, lie down, baby.
She's gonna push.
But Jason has to stand strong,
and he's gotta do it over and over again
until she learns to fall asleep.
Ramona: I don't want to go to sleep.
- Jason: Well, just try. - Just try.
We're gonna try.
What if we just lay down here?
It's because she wasn't ready to go to bed
and I think, like, people should eat when they're hungry,
sleep when they're tired.
You should do things when your body tells you to do 'em.
Jason: ♪ Twinkle, twinkle ♪
He's got to be the father,
figuring this whole equation out.
He needs to just walk out of the room.
I know it breaks his heart, I've been there,
but he's just gotta close the door and walk out of the room.
I'm compromising.
That's good, that's good, you gotta start somewhere.
( Ramona cries )
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for the Drudges.
But the family is not exactly one with the earth.
So today, I'm introducing some new ideas.
Some non-competitive activities,
and hopefully they'll take some of those ideas
and integrate them into their lives.
See that thought as a puffy cloud,
blowing across your clear blue sky.
She's just trying to get us to relax
and feel nature or some nonsense like that.
I can do it, look. Look, I got it.
- Girl: I got it! - ( laughs )
We're doing yoga, I kinda wanna do it better than you do.
- I got it. - I got it.
Oh, you don't have it.
They want to be better than me, or each other
and I think that's good.
I'm doing it better than y'all.
It may not be possible to take all of the competitiveness
out of this family.
Touch your family member
and just tell them that you care about them.
- I don't care about you. - I don't care about you.
So, probably about 90% of that was a waste of time.
Namaste.
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very first drum lesson.
Jason: You're my first student.
Maybe we can teach each other.
I think that's really what a lesson is anyway, right?
- You learn from each other? - Yes, yes.
Cool.
My goal today for Jason is to see how he interacts
with a child that he's trying to teach drum lessons to.
He has great skill, he has a great personality,
I think he needs to be making some money
off of his love.
To be 44 years old, he's just not taking advantage of his craft.
Let's just sit down and talk and figure this out.
Um, all right, let me think. How do we--
how do we do this here?
I feel like the main thing that you should do
is play something that makes the song better.
I guess I'll just give you one of the things
that I really like to do and it's like a kick floor kind of thing.
Have you ever done anything like that?
- Like... - ( drumbeat )
And even if you get it going, like, it sounds--
- ( drumbeat ) - There you go.
And then you get the snare in there.
( drumbeat )
Yeah.
I guess I'm just telling you what I know, you know?
- Yeah. - You can play really fast
- without trying that hard. - Okay.
( drumbeat )
It was so awesome, just opening doors
and showing them a different way of looking at the drums.
You're an awesome student.
That was easy.
- Here, thank you very much. - Thank you very much.
- I really appreciate it. - I had a great time.
- You sure? - Absolutely.
All right.
It felt good. I mean, it made me think
that I could, you know, just teach a few lessons a day
instead of work at the bar.
- I had a good time. - And you made some money doing it.
I think I just wanted to be a better teacher.
Yeah, well, you teach by doing,
so you just keep doing it and then you become
- a better teacher. - Yeah.
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Porter: What are you doing, bongo player?
Maybe we should try some singing?
Narrator:
Okay, let's all do it together.
♪ Row, row, row your boat ♪
All: ♪ Gently down the stream ♪
♪ Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily ♪
♪ Life is but a dream ♪
You're off beat, you're off beat, Porter.
You guys, this is not a competition.
Sounded like you had a concert going down here.
Show me what you got.
Nicole: A one, two, three, four.
( playing instruments out of sync )
This is kind of terrible, to me, everything you're winning or you're losing.
For my family and what I think it takes to get them
where they wanna go, I don't think this helps.
( playing instruments out of sync )
You want me to cut all my hairs off I think.
I do.
I don't know if I'm gonna go there.
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but will Jason refuse to follow it?
Here's the plan.
I would like him just to look like
he's going for a job interview.
- Okay. Yes, so definitely off the ears. - Right.
- And out of the eyes. - Yes.
If we're going in, I wanna go all in.
I don't know, you know, I'm feeling something a little,
like, more creative and not just going for the entire...
like, maybe...
I don't if we can do a facial hair, like, experiment or something.
As far the haircut goes?
Jason is pushing back, but I think it'll make him look younger,
I think it'll make him feel better.
Jason: Oh, my God. What the--
Okay, I did one side. Do you like that?
Or do you want to go shorter?
- I'd like to go shorter. - You wanna go shorter?
- Can I see it? - No, you can't see it!
- I can't see it till the end? - No!
His wife, I don't know if she's gonna be like, "Thank you!"
I'm glad it's gone. I can see your neck.
I can see your neck."
Or is she gonna be mad at me?
I mean, it's possible that she's gonna be like,
"Are you trying to get my husband to look like your husband?
You know, that's not his look."
Now she's just gonna say it's not short enough.
No, it's not short enough.
Wanna go shorter even?
Take it off!
- All off? - Yes.
Oh, my gosh, you look like a different person.
- Okay. - Jason: All right.
- All right, you ready? - Let's do it.
- Okay. - Jason: All right.
- All right, you ready? - Let's do it. Yeah, thank you.
- No problem. - No matter what I think.
( laughing ) "No matter what I think."
- Hey, I'm just the messenger. - Oh, yeah.
- Right? - Yeah.
Now this is a person I remember.
- Exactly. - Do you like it?
It looks good.
Yeah, you know, the forehead's grown over the years,
but I like it.
The whole time I was getting my hair cut,
I mean, I knew Katherine wanted shorter, shorter.
You know, I wasn't doing it for her, you know?
I was doing it for me. It was a good suggestion
and sometimes you need a little nudge to do things,
uh, that are cathartic or make change.
- Hey, baby girl. - Hello.
- Daddy's home. - What do you think? I took my beard off.
- Do you like it? - Yeah.
Yeah, cool.
That's all I wanted to hear.
Go like this, feel how smooth it is.
- You like it? - Yeah.
Yeah.
Ramona approval.
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and the wives are preparing to reunite
with their loved ones.
You want to say bye to Katherine?
Katherine:
It's been an amazing adventure,
but I'm definitely ready to get home.
Muah!
- Nicole: Bye, guys. - Kids: Bye.
Bye.
Overall, this experience has been challenging.
This family is so different.
Super fun to learn about all the things
that, you know, are different from
what we usually do.
Yeah, yeah.
( music playing )
Here we go.
There's a spot for bananas in here.
Do you think that you will go to a yoga class
with Katherine?
- I don't know. - ( chuckles )
Well, I appreciate you taking the beard off and getting it--
No, this has been-- Not that it was for me, I know.
Yeah, I know.
Katherine: I mean, I just think the key is gonna be Nicole.
( music playing )
Oh, wow! ( laughs )
- Hey. - I don't know what to do.
- What's up? - Hello.
- Do you recognize me? - I do.
- You can feel my lips. - Yeah.
- What do you think? - It looks great.
I just went for it, yeah. Ramona loves it, so...
- ( laughs ) That's awesome. - Yeah.
Hey, Jay. Did you survive?
- Yeah. - ( giggles )
- Did Asa win his game? - Yes.
And Porter's playing right now.
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for the first time to discuss their experiences
before returning home.
Okay, so where should we start?
I mean, a lot happened in the last week.
Yeah.
So, Nicole, when I got to your house,
Jason walked in.
Obviously not what I expected.
Yeah, beard down to here.
- Jay: Really? - Hair down to here.
- Yeah. - Instead of--
Obviously, we were completely different.
One of our kids would have given him 20 bucks on the street.
Well, I mean, when I first got to your house I read your manual,
and there is a lot about sports and being athletes.
And all of the children pretty much participate
in some sort of sports and that everything was a competition.
You know, we believe in competition
'cause we feel like the competition
and the hard work has made them high achievers
and that drives them.
But everything sounded very intense all the time
and the kids don't have a time to relax and calm down.
That definitely took me back a little bit
and I was like, "Oh, goodness."
Well, Ramona, they have a two-year-old.
Yes.
The only thing that really got to me in the manual
was the comment that you made about her being your buddy.
It bothered me on the fact that she's two
and you still need to lead her.
You teach her to potty train,
you teach her to read,
you teach her to write and...
I like treating her like that
and I feel like she's understanding more
because we have a relaxed relationship,
there's not too many rules.
- I kind of let her dictate what happens. - Right.
Remember, at some point you have to learn to say no.
So after living with Jason and Ramona for a couple of days
I came up with some new rules.
The first rule was about Ramona.
I'm talking about the bed time.
When he explained to me how he likes her to be up.
Like sometimes you get home late,
and she's gonna start pre-school hopefully in a couple years
and if she's going to bed at 11:00 when she--
Yeah, I mean, 10:30, 11, 11:30.
When she starts school in two years
You're gonna be getting her up.
But I don't care about that.
You still could put her to bed at let's say, 8:00.
I mean, you can't have a child going to school all day being exhausted.
I mean, you're not a child psychologist.
I don't want to listen to you.
I mean, you can't have a child going to school all day
being exhausted.
I mean, you'd be surprised, it's almost like
the more sleep they get, the more they're gonna need.
You still can put her to bed at let's say, 8:00--
Then you don't get to see 'em as much.
You'll see her, trust me.
You have 18 years to see her.
- ( laughter ) - Yeah.
But I also, I feel like Jason's always in the back.
I mean, he's the bar back he's in the back of the band.
I feel like he was hiding behind the beard and everything,
- Nicole: Mm-hmm. - So we started with the haircut,
and he started pushing back a little bit,
but I was just like, "Take it off,"
and so the whole thing came off.
It feels great, it's liberating to--
- Yeah, it looks great. - To get rid of it every now and then.
It make you look younger.
I mean, I want him in the front.
I want him making money for his skill, and he did it.
- I'm trying, you know? I still like the back. - Yeah.
Get out of the back, come to the front.
I also had an emotional reaction
because you guys don't want to eat healthy.
So when it was time for my new rules,
we took all of the meat out of the house.
Jay: We had to eat a vegan dinner.
I think my kids are old enough at this point
to make a decision if they want to eat meat.
We don't have a meal without meat
It started to weigh on me emotionally,
because you wrote a lot about how much you love you family,
and I just think that...
that watching the past few years
my parents' health has been failing.
- Mm-hmm. - Nicole: And my dad has Type II Diabetes,
he's having problems with his feet now.
My mom had breast cancer this year,
and I'm not saying it's 100% from food...
- Katherine: Right. - ...but it didn't help.
I just think you guys are gonna have a ton of grandkids
- and you should like... - You think? You think?
- ...think about, you know... - Right, right.
...I really am not saying that you guys need to go vegan,
I'm just saying incorporate some of it.
- Right, exactly. - Like, maybe meatless Mondays is a thing.
And that would save a lot of animals.
Jay: There's no disagreement at all about improving the diet.
There's nothing bad with eating a little bit more healthy
- and making different decisions. - Especially you.
- No, I agree. - Katherine: Vegetables, and fruit.
But of all the rules, the competition piece
was one that we would probably have struggled with the most.
- Even in yoga we competed. - Katherine: Right.
But I think we can try different things.
Yeah, not all the time, you know?
- Yeah, yeah. - And it's scary meeting someone new, man.
Right off the bat, you know,
I was just like, "Oh, man."
- ( laughter ) - I was like, I'm in for it.
You did a good job, I'm impressed.
I mean, you were very supportive
and I think you gave me confidence to give that drum lesson.
That scared the hell out of me.
- Thank you. - It was fun. You're welcome.
- It was fun, thank you. - You're welcome.
- Jay: It was great to meet ya. - Jason. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- We enjoyed the experience. - Bye.
- ...taking care of Jay and my children. - ( laughs )
Absolutely.
Katherine: What rule did they not love? The food?
She made a pizza they liked.
- The soup was-- - Yeah.
- Even Asa liked the soup, and he doesn't eat soup. - Yeah?
I thought that their family was definitely inspiring.
And I think we'll maintain a friendship with them.
- Totally. - I mean--
Hey, baby, I missed you!
- No winning. - No winning.
- No losing, just being. - Okay, I love the just being.
I mean, I totally get that.
Does anybody want any tofu?
No.
Jay:
not only for me, but for my kids.
Missed you so much, Ramona.
Yeah.
Jason:
deep down I think we all want to accomplish the same thing,
and that's to be nice to each other.
Do things that are good for our family,
our friends, and the world.
- ( indistinct baby talk ) - Yes.