a PC world fans I'm here with Gordon and I have a question for you Gordon with
AMD releasing its Rison 930 900 X great chip who in their right mind would want
to buy Intel's Core I $9.99 hundred K which everyone was raving about just
months ago yeah I was raving about it I think you know K is a great chip it
still can't be a good chip for some people but clearly my review most of the
reviews you've seen Raisa 930 900 X is the current champion in that five
hundred dollar CPU price point and you get a cool fan too but we are gonna go
over some of the reasons why you might actually want a 1900 km fortunately you
can't have the candy without taking your medicine and the medicine is this a lot
of benchmarks on why the 3900 X is probably for most of you but not all of
you first up Cinebench are 20 this is the new version of max on benchmark
takes longer to run Hertz Intel because their turbos don't run quite as hard if
you're running longer but it doesn't matter it doesn't hurt AMD as much they
got 12 cores versus 8 cores you can see basically
butt-whoopin multi-threaded performance single threaded performance where
intel's like a doesn't matter you got so you got more cores we got higher clocks
but AMD's big cache or 70 meter they're redesigned for an and all kinds of
goodness that they put into rise in 3900 single thread performance slightly
better for risin 3900 so single threaded performance not they're more rendering
benchmarks multi-threaded a lot of modeling programs animation programs
really favored more cores BAM 12 cores more than eight big winner 3900 X it's
pretty much like that for all of the animation modeling programs I tried when
you're rendering out let's do something else
Adobe Premiere we take a 4k video project fairly short three four minutes
we export this one this particular project is using a a CVC h.265 I did not
think the 12 cores of the horizon would win but I don't know if it's the core
count architecture or that gasps cash they have but clearly again
nice solid win for the 3900 X in that premier export 4k to a TV see 4k right
big win Photoshop this is pooja systems pooja sorry gotta get right pooja
systems Photoshop CC basically you run this script and the story winner is 3900
X with PPO off so this is handbrake we take a 4k about a 10 minute video and we
convert it to h.265 HEV see big win more cores more better more 3900 X 7-zip
compressing this generally favors memory latency big cache may help and big win
because 12 cores greater than eight on the decompression side which generally
7-zip says favors integer performance again more cores more better more
performance out of that 3900 X reality though I want to point out this
benchmark indicates more cores is better but when you actually run most of these
they're single threaded they really don't run twelve or twenty or thirty
instances so but let's get to where this really matters now
this is Cinebench I take our twenty MCE off PBO off and I run it from one thread
to the maximum amount of threads on each CPU as you can see on the chart all
these bars are for one thread two-thirds three-thirds
and you can see pretty much it's a dead tie up to about I don't know five
threads MD starts pulling ahead and then they really take off at about eight
threads and up and then they really open up a can of whoop-ass as you get to more
cores more thread obviously obviously let's look at it as percentage this left
side of the chart typically Intel wins 87 100k against 2700 x1 9900 k1 most of
the the Zeon's the big cork out core I nines they blow out those Andy chips on
the left side of this chart because they've got higher clock speeds they've
got better IPC well with Rison 3000 with Rison 930 900 x they're pushing enough
clocks and they've got enough cast and they've got this improved processor
it's damn near dead tie with slight margin to Rison what you just don't see
I've not seen this before in the past typically Intel that's been their sort
of refuge and those like thread loads a lot of stuff people use office and on
stuff you know high clock speeds probably you're better than more core
counts because you're not always using all those core counts 3900 seems to have
nullified that last refuge for you Intel in application performance it's every
bit as good and light loads and much faster in those heavy loads all those
heavy high thread-count loads ok ok that's just a bunch of bad news there
are some reasons why 99 Hydra K is better yes please let's get to the my
take is probably not as the same as others but I do believe that 1900 K has
a slight edge over 98 over to the 3900 X Gaming is 1 5 gigahertz turbo on this
with a single thread a little lower as you get two more threads 4.6 on the 3900
X drops as you add more threads of course first up is Deus Ex mankind
divided 1920 altra settings DirectX 12 with a RT X 28 ETI passes GPU in town
folks and you can see there is definitely a small margin
you know maybe 5% for the 9900 K over the 3900 X I know AMD has shown tests
where it's actually pretty close something's you know it's a good
back-and-forth but a lot of the games that I ended up I ended up seeing it
actually a little bit on them on the negative side mostly Deus Ex was of
course one of the games that went back and they sort of updated it for rising
because in a you know originally with 1800 X it kind of sucked on it and
apparently this is one of the games that hey this runs great on it okay you throw
in a twenty atti and Intel still had small amount though and that I think
that is a key point ashes of the singularity escalation dx12 crazy 1080p
I run the CPU focused benchmark because what that does in the game is it throws
more units at it it technically would be using more physics you can think it
would favor more cores I don't find most games to ever really use you know all
the cores of it threads of a 12 quart 24 thread cpu so
we see definitely a small margin again for 9900 K but a win is a win if you're
into that thing yeah as soon as the singularity is a game that AMD has
traditionally used to show off their advantage in court count and it's not
showing up here and rise of the Tomb Raider pretty damn close now this is
probably you know you'd call it a time mostly but most of the runs this
averages out to being a slight win for Intel 186 versus 182 it's a tie for the
most part but leap people see that a little bit of breathing room right
between those two bars and they go say hey 9 answer K wins if you read this one
crossed the finish line first it wins folks yeah I would say it's a tie but
hey Rainbow six siege very popular kind of eSport see game 19 by 10 ultra
settings RT X 20 80 TI because see a decent 5 percent margin for 9900 K yeah
right again winner tightly counter-strike go 19 by 10 hi this is
the there's actually an FPS benchmark you can write it sent out on it's one of
the the add-on Maps I didn't bother to run this with the 2020 atti because it's
just something like this is running on the GTX 1080 founders Edition 370 frames
a second versus yeah it's just silly 900k better if you want to say yeah dime
4k is better game yeah it is better in gaming I don't necessarily think it's
gonna matter that much but if you're into that you got to have that best in
gaming or you need the highest frame rate you actually play some of these
games at lower settings if you do play eSports settings at say 1080p and then
you set textures lower and you send a lot of game settings lower because
people really want to see 3 to 400 frames a second because they're playing
on a 240 Hertz panel 9 decay is still gonna be a better cpu for that one thing
I do want to add those is once you clock it up to higher resolutions it kind of
falls apart and of course there are some things where 99 to K will win Far Cry 5
this is at 19 by 10 Ultra settings 20 atti again reference card big wins for
9900 K I mean what is that like 10% there 10
a few percents the biggest win it's about 15% faster in far cry 5 AMD says
hey far cry 5 just doesn't run good on us and I suspect you are gonna see a lot
of games that might actually just simply run better on Intel Stone you know day
million the males have the advantage of higher clocks and say three or four
threads or six threads or eight threads if they're using they may run it a
slightly higher clock than the Rison and they may still be optimized for intel
architecture because intel has been the only game in town for a long long time
overall though I didn't see 3900 X come out ahead of 1980 games pretty much tied
so sting yeah if you want to shave it that way it's when I say yeah it's you
know I'm being very cautious areas that do you think if you're playing a 1440p
you turn it more into a GPU load bottled your GPUs a bottom like even with the
mighty 2080 Ti and it gets so close you're not really losing anything so oh
God but yeah if you had to clear it declare a winner single-threaded risin
if you had to declare a winner and multi-threaded risin gaming if you had
to clear winner smaller win for Intel but definitely a win for Intel in gaming
but that rise in as I thought far beyond it here's what I would say that's pretty
close there's other things so that really is the big factor for Intel and
people gotta remember this leanness love Intel Architecture Intel has I think
they come out and say if we got 15,000 developers software developers on Intel
payroll working for us going out and helping people helping optimize code you
got a problem with that we can help you fix it they're gonna fix it for
themselves they're not gonna fix it for somebody else don't call it unfair
they're not paying people to travel places pay for their hotel so they can
help their competitors they're paying them to help them sell so they're you're
gonna see this everywhere good example here's like look at WinRAR it just
simply doesn't like AMD it hasn't liked AMD for a long time who knows where our
labs ever gonna fix that is this a result of Intel's 15,000 developers out
there helping people I don't know but you're gonna see a lot of these things
where it's something like wow Rison super fast and this on
like why is it slower than core I think there's gonna be a lot more cases of
that than people expect interesting uh-oh at Nestle the other refuge for
9900 K quick sink core I 9 unless you're buying one without even grated graphics
who would have thought this would save Intel is that the funny thing everybody
come on why do I want integrated graphics on a CPU that's a gaming right
well you know what you want integrated graphics of their Intel CPU because
check this out you saw this chart earlier this is ham break exact same
load we took the same file we convert it to h.264 but rather than use the CPU to
do the encoding we use the onboard quick sync
why is there quick sync support in handbrake well Intel's army of 15,000
developers helping people optimize for their hardware they've had quick sync
support in handbrake for it feels like four years now and that pays off look at
this 1800 seconds that's almost 30 minutes for Rison hell that's awesome
because if you use the CPU cores on that 99 hundred K you're looking at one two
three four about 40 almost 50 minutes clearly this is a this is a win for 3900
X if you just can use those CPU cores in handbrake but look at quick sync 240
seconds it's basically four minutes right hey for a pretty professional like
me that that makes a huge difference yeah and you know this has been this has
been known people have sort of said like you know gosh I really like thread or
bra like all these cores or I like they all the cores I can read it for Rison
but there's no integrated graphics there's no quick sync and Quick Sync you
know is baked into a lot of applications at this point it's in there it makes a
huge difference when it's supported and I'll tell you it's taking years and
years and years of work by Intel and it's army of 15,000 developers to get
that support in the software so I wouldn't sell a short and you can see
the direct result there so if you are doing something and you are gonna use
Quick Sync you're gonna want Intel you're not gonna want the faster 3900 X
no Brad okay so benchmarks are all well and good gore
but are there any other advantages you can think of that that you would want to
choose the 9900 K over the 3900 X uh you know it's actually pretty even back in
the old days Indy had a big advantage in lower cost motherboards into a
motherboards rising other words especially if you want the fancy new x5
70 or pretty even an x5 Sarah T takes it to a new level I don't think there's
really an infrastructure advantage between coolers and RAM and motherboards
I'd say there are fairly even ground ok one advantage of course you have to give
AMD is PCI you for write PCI Gen 4 versus PCI gen3 double the bandwidth of
PCI gen3 for the most part it's not making that much of a difference on
consumer applications for the GPU there may be some on content creation
especially we dealing with a K multiple 8k streams MD has demonstrated that but
mostly you would want PCIe 4 because you you have more freeway lanes on your
packed la freeway yet at rush hour Reisen just simply has more bandwidth
available to all the peripherals then 9900 K does because it's got PCIe 4 and
there are PCIe 4 SSDs now rest of the infrastructure pretty even cost
advantage you don't get it cooler here but you do get this really cool box and
this is a really I will keep this box this is cardboard it's not cool like
thread Ripper it's okay it's okay but it's not cool like this this is a
cool box I would keep this may be an advantage is Intel's more mature people
still trust the brand hey Yuki nobody ever got fired for
buying Intel right we hear that all the time I don't know what to really make of
that I can't put any weight on that I really feel they're mostly on equal
ground otherwise everybody would be screaming about things not working on
Rison but people just like it's a brand that you know like I for me I can't
trust Hyundai sorry Hyundai I remember 1980s Hyundai and it's really
hard to come back from that so for some people people like oh I remember
oh the Phenom there's a lot of people out there there's a lot of people that
were just not that really turned off AMD for them for a long time even after
spectacular success of Athlon 64 and you know the original Athlon x' so for those
people it intel is just a warm fuzzy safe place you can be yeah right yeah
that's plus in there's a whether that's real or not doesn't matter because
that's not how brand recognition works if I were to you forced me to pick a
winner 3,900 X I think 90% of people should buy the CPU faster multi-threaded
it's really hard to give up all that all those extra cores for an a core CPU you
get the cooler it's a better price so many great things about Andy I think I
would declare this a winner at the same time one thing you may be missing in all
the reviews and all the videos is your mileage will vary and this should be
said very clearly your experience from what all the reviewers are seeing what
we're saying may not be the same if you're running say a meeting coder made
by CyberLink and they use Quick Sync it's gonna kick ass on Intel and there's
also a lot of applications that again very much Intel has been in the trenches
getting people to support their hard work for a long time so that's a plus so
look at this video look at other people's videos read lots of things and
then look at what you're running into sidewall is is this what I'm gonna run
is it gonna do I need all the core store I need higher frequency do I need into
architecture do it a PCI for pick what's best for you don't listen to us don't
listen to what other people are telling you find what's right for you that's the
last thing I have to say cool awesome well thank you for doing all this
amazing work like usual like you said go check the review go check out us talking
about it on the full nerd and you've got more benchmarks to go with the 3,700 X
and 37 other risin risin and then also the new biases so we get to retest some
things yeah we will continue to update you on this epic battle between AMD and
Intel what a year what a year so far so I'm gonna get
thunder funner yeah I'll take it up I'll take
cool awesome thanks Gordon and we will see you later