>>> TODAY WE WANTED TO TALK TO
YOU ABOUT STALKING.
ALL RIGHT.
THIS HAS BEEN IN THE NEWS
LATELY.
WE OFTEN HEAR ABOUT CELEBRITY
CASES LIKE TAYLOR SWIFT.
MISS SAY A MAN RECENTLY BROKE
INTO HER NEW YORK CITY TOWNHOUSE
WAITING FOR HER.
A FEW MONTHS BEFORE THAT, THE
MAN WAS ARRESTED FOR BREAKING
DOWN SWIFT'S FRONT DOOR WITH A
SHOVEL.
IT'S NOT JUST CELEBRITIES.
JUST TWO WEEKS AGO FIVE STAFFERS
AT THE "CAPITAL GAZETTE"
NEWSPAPER IN MARYLAND LOST THEIR
LIVES WHEN A SHOOTER OPENED
FIRE.
HE WAS HOLDING A GRUDGE AGAINST
THE PAPER FOR COVERING A
CRIMINAL CASE INVOLVING HIS
STALKING OF A YOUNG WOMAN.
ACCORDING TO THE DEPARTMENT OF
JUSTICE OVER 7 MILLION AMERICANS
ARE STALKED EACH YEAR.
OUR FIRST GUESS TODAY, KATHLEEN
BEATTY IS ONE OF THEM.
SHE SURVIVED AN EIGHT-YEAR
TALKING ORDEAL THAT BEGAN WHEN
SHE WAS A COLLEGE STUDENT AND
CULMINATED IN A TERRIFYING HOME
INVASI
INVASION.
WATCH.
>> I STARTED BEING STALKED MY
JUNIOR YEAR OF COLLEGE.
IT WAS A GUY THAT I HAD GONE TO
HIGH SCHOOL WITH, ON THE TRACK
TEAM.
I KNEW HIM NO MORE THAN HI IN
THE HALLWAY.
I WAS HOME FOR THANKSGIVING
VACATION AND I GOT A STRANGE
PHONE CALL.
HE SHOWED UP IN MY FRONT YARD
THAT NIGHT, KIND OF DIDN'T SAY
ANYTHING.
HE JUMPED BACK IN HIS TRUCK AND
TOOK OFF.
WE WENT INTO THE HOUSE, AND THE
PHONE RANG.
MY FRIEND SAID, LISTEN, KATHLEEN
IS GOING BACK DOWN TO UCLA
TOMORROW.
LEAVE US ALONE.
YEAH, WE STILL HAVE TONIGHT AND
SHE'S NOT GOING TO MAKE IT DOWN
THERE.
THAT'S WHEN WE CALLED POLICE.
HE HAD 180 ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION,
SEMIAUTOMATIC AND BULLETS
STUFFED IN A CASSETTE TAPE UNDER
THE SEAT.
THEY PICKED HIM UP FOR A 72-HOUR
CYCLE.
IT WAS LITERALLY FROM ONE NIGHT
AND A PHONE CALL TO THAT.
THREE MONTHS LATER HE SHOWED UP
AT MY DOOR AGAIN, AND MY DAD
RECOGNIZED HIM.
AS HE WALKED AWAY, MY DAD SAW A
GUN IN HIS BACK.
SO HE CALLED POLICE, AND THE
POLICE DID SAY TO ME, UNTIL HE
LAYS A HAND ON YOU, THERE'S
NOTHING WE COULD DO.
SO IT JUST BECAME THIS CAT AND
MOUSE GAME OF HIM SHOWING UP, ME
NARROWLY ESCAPING.
HIM SHOWING UP, ME FILING A
POLICE REPORT.
THAT'S HOW I LIVED.
WE WERE LIVING BACK IN THE BAY
AREA.
I FELT REALLY GOOD.
NOTHING WAS IN MY NAME.
I FELT SAFE.
WE ORDERED A DOMINOES PIZZA.
AND I OPENED THE DOOR, AND MY
STALKER WAS THE DOMINO'S
INDIANAPOLIS GUY.
THE NEXT WEEK, I REMEMBER COMING
HOME, ABOUT 4:00 IN THE
AFTERNOON.
I WAS LISTENING TO MY ANSWERING
MACHINE AND I TURNED AROUND AND
HE WAS STANDING BEHIND ME WITH A
KNIFE.
>> OERGS, MY GOD.
KATHLEEN BEATTY IS HERE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THAT IS CHILLING.
THAT IS JUST CHILLING.
EVEN IN THE MOMENT, AND I WANT
THE AUDIENCE TO KNOW, THE STORY
IS HARROWING, AT EVERY TURN YOU
WERE VERY COLLECTED.
YOU HANDLED IT AS WELL AS ANY
HUMAN BEING COULD.
WHAT DID YOU SAY TO HIM WHEN YOU
TURNED AROUND AND SAW HIM?
>> WELL, WHEN I TURNED AROUND, I
SAID SIT DOWN, I'VE BEEN
EXPECTING YOU.
WE NEED TO TALK.
REMEMBER, THIS HAD BEEN GOING ON
FOR EIGHT YEARS.
IT WAS LIKE THIS CAT AND MOUSE
GAME.
I HAD PLAYED IT OVER AND OVER IN
MY HEAD.
BECAUSE I WOULD JUST NARROWLY
ESCAPE ALL THESE YEARS.
HE WOULD COME TO MY DOOR AND I
WOULD JUST BARELY GET AWAY AND
HE'D GET PICKED UP BY POLICE.
HE'D BE PUT IN JAIL FOR 60 DAYS
AND OUT ON PROBATION.
THIS BECAME A ROUTINE.
THIS WAS MY LIFE, RIGHT?
SO WHEN I ACTUALLY CAME IN AND
WAS LISTENING TO MY ANSWERING
MACHINE AND I TURNED AROUND AND
I SAW HIM, IT WAS LIKE, FINALLY,
FINALLY IT'S GOING TO BE OVER.
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, HOWEVER IT'S
GOING TO END UP, I JUST WANTED
IT TO BE OVER.
>> YOUR MOM CALLED.
>> YES.
>> HE LET YOU ANSWER THE PHONE.
>> YES.
>> YOU MANAGED TO SIGNAL TO HER
THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG.
HOW?
>> SHE WOULD ASK ME A QUESTION
AND I WOULD ANSWER COMPLETELY
DIFFERENT.
NO ONE ABOUT YOUR MOM BY MY MOM
CAN TALK AND NOT LISTEN.
>> YES.
OH, YES.
>> FINALLY AFTER ONE QUESTION, I
SAID, YEAH, IT IS REALLY HOT.
SHE KIND OF PAUSED, AND SHE SAID
IS EVERYTHING OKAY AND SHE
SORTED IT OUT.
WE ALL KNEW HE WAS MISSING.
HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT A
PROBATION MEETING WITH HIS
PROBATION OFFICER AND HE DIDN'T
SHOW UP.
SO IT WAS THAT PHONE CALL FROM
HIS PROBATION OFFICER TO ME THAT
NOTIFIED ME THAT HE WAS OUT
THERE.
IF THAT HADN'T HAVE HAPPENED --
>> YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ON
YOUR GUARD.
SO DID 911 CALL YOU NEXT?
>> SO ONCE MY MOTHER KNEW THAT
HE WAS THERE, SHE CALLED THE
POLICE.
THEY WERE VERY WELL AWARE OF
WHAT WAS GOING ON AND THE WHOLE
THING.
SHORTLY THEREAFTER I GOT A CALL
FROM POLICE DISPATCH, A WOMAN.
>> HE DIDN'T KNOW, THE STALKER
WHO HAS A KNIFE ON HER, DID NOT
KNOW THIS WAS 911 CALLING.
WE HAVE AN EXERT OF THE 911
TAPE.
CAN YOU JUST LISTEN TO HOW COOL
KATHLEEN IS.
SHE'S AMAZING.
LISTEN HOW THIS GOES.
>> IS HE IN THE HOUSE WITH YOU
SFF UH-HUH.
>> DOES HE HAVE ANY WEAPONS?
>> YES.
>> A GUN.
>> NO.
>> A KNIFE?
>> YES.
>> IS HE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH
YOU?
>> YES.
>> IS IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO
PRETEND I'M LIKE SOMEONE ELSE
AND STAY ON THE PHONE WITH ME.
SO HOW ARE THINGS GOING?
>> PRETTY GOOD.
THIS HOUSE I WAS THINKING OF
SHOWING YOU TOMORROW, I DON'T
KNOW IF IT'S RIGHT.
>> YOU'RE INCREDIBLE.
YOU'RE INCREDIBLE.
HOW DID YOU DO THAT?
>> YOU KNOW WHAT, THE ONE THING
AFTER WORKING WITH SO MANY CRIME
VICTIMS OVER THE YEARS AND ME
LIVING WITH IT PERSONALLY, WHAT
I HAVE TO IMPART TO EVERYBODY
THAT SHOULD BE SOOTHING IS WE
ALL HAVE WITHIN US THIS FIGHT.
WHEN WE ARE IN A LIFE
THREATENING SITUATION, IT
DOESN'T MATTER HOW STRONG YOU
THINK YOU ARE OR NOT, IT JUST
DOES.
IT HAPPENS.
SO FOR ME, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
WANT TO CALL IT GOD OR SPIRIT OR
EMPOWERMENT, BUT FOR ME THAT WAS
A DRIVING FACTOR.
WHEN I HEAR THAT VOICE, IT
DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MY VOICE.
I DON'T KNOW WHY I SAID THE
THINGS THAT I SAID.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT JUST ALL
UNFOLDED SO INCREDIBLY AND I
THANK GOD I'M HERE.
>> THAT WAS SO COURAGEOUS.
OF COURSE, HE COULD HAVE GRABBED
THE PHONE ANY MINUTE.
HE COULD HAVE FIGURED OUT.
HE COULD HAVE SUSPECTED YOU IF
YOUR VOICE HAD BEEN IDENTIFIABLE
TO THE OUTSIDE WORLD AS NERVOUS.
>> RIGHT.
>> JUST TO BE TABLE TO HANDLE
THAT IS INCREDIBLE.
IT AGAINST EVEN MORE DANGEROUS.
KATHLEEN HAS GONE ON TO BECOME
AN ADVOCATE NOT JUST FOR HERSELF
BUT OTHER WOMEN AND HAS VERY
>> WE'RE BACK WITH KATHLEEN WHO
SURVIVED AN EIGHT-YEAR STALKING
ORDEAL S SHE'S TRIED TO DO SOME
GOOD BECAUSE OF ALL THIS.
LET'S FINISH IT OFF.
THE POLICE CAME.
HE WOUND UP TYING YOUR HANDS
BEHIND YOUR BACK, PULLING A GUN
ON YOU.
THINGS WERE GOING FROM BAD TO
WORSE WHEN, THANK GOD, HE TOOK
YOU OUTSIDE AND THE COPS GOT
YOU.
>> EXACTLY.
THE COPS SURROUNDED THE HOUSE.
AND I NOTICED OVER IN A CORNER A
REALLY TALL COP WAVING HIS ARMS
TO RUN TO HIM.
SO I HAD TO TURN MY BACK TO MY
STALKER WHO HAD THE GUN.
HE HAD THE GUN POINTED AT HIS
CHEST, SO THAT'S WHY THE POLICE
DIDN'T SHOOT HIM.
LUCKY FOR ME I RAN THE 100
METERS.
I RAN THE FASTEST 40 METERS OF
MY LIFE WITH MY HANDS TIED,
HURLED THE PICKET FENCE AND GOT
AWAY SAFELY.
>> OH, MY GOD.
SO HE WENT TO JAIL.
BUT THE TRUTH IS, ESPECIALLY
BACK WHEN THIS HAPPENED TO YOU,
STALKING WAS NOT TAKEN SERIOUSLY
VIRTUALLY ANYWHERE.
AND THANKS TO YOU -- IN LARGE
PART THANKS TO YOU, IT NOW IS.
CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN HOW YOU GOT
THE LAWS CHANGED.
REALLY, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT
WOMEN SHOULD DO.
>> SO AT THE TIME THERE WAUNTS
EV
-- WASN'T EVEN THE WORD
STALKING.
THERE WERE NO LAWS.
>> 1990.
>> I WAS CONTACTED BY A STATE
SENATOR OUT OF ORANGE COUNTY,
CALIFORNIA, ED ROYCE.
AT THE TIME HE WAS TRYING TO
PASS THE NATION'S FIRST
ANTI-STALKING LAW AND ASKED IF I
WOULD TESTIFY IN TORONTO OF THE
SENATE BECAUSE ALL THE VICTIMS
IN HIS AREA WERE DEAD.
SO I GRADUALLY DID.
THE OTHER THING FOR ME, THIS IS
SOMETHING I WANT TO IMPART TO
PEOPLE, LIVING LIKE A VICTIM,
IT'S ABOUT PERCEPTION, GETTING
YOUR POWER BACK.
I WENT UP AND TESTIFIED.
WHEN THE LAW PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
THAT DAY, IT WAS LIKE A HUGE
WEIGHT WAS LIFTED OFF MY
SHOULDERS.
FOR ME, THAT WAS -- THAT WAS MY
MISSION.
LIKE I REALIZED THAT DAY THAT
WAS GOING TO BE MY WAY OF
GETTING OVER THINGS.
BUT TRAUMA HAPPENS ALL THE TIME
TO PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
SO YOU JUST HAVE TO, YOU KNOW,
FIND YOUR HAPPINESS, FIND YOUR
PEACE.
>> FOCUS ON THAT.
>> EXACTLY RIGHT.
>> AS A SECURITY MATTER, BECAUSE
STALKING IS A SECURITY MATTER,
WHICH IS WHY IT NEEDS TO BE
TAKEN MUCH MORE SERIOUSLY.
IT'S ABOUT LAYERS BETWEEN YOU
AND A POTENTIAL OFFENDER.
>> UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE LAWS,
THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR
IMPROVEMENT ON LAWS.
THE BIGGEST THING IS, YOU HAVE
TO BE -- TO PROVE A CASE OF
STALKING, YOU HAVE TO PROVE A
LAUNDRY LIST OF BEHAVIOR.
SO IT'S NOT JUST LIKE ONE TIME,
RIGHT?
BUT THE WONDERFUL THING ABOUT
IT, WHEN YOU ARE A STALKING
VICTIM, AS YOU WELL KNOW, YOU
LIVE IN FEAR.
IT'S DEBILITATING, AND IT'S
WEAK.
THE THING IS, MUCH LIKE YOU
THINK OF WITH BULLIES, HOW THIS
WHOLE MIND-SET IS, THE STALKER
IS THE COWARD.
YOU ARE THE POWERFUL ONE.
YOU'VE GOT TO GET YOUR POWER
BACK.
THE WAY THAT YOU DO THAT IS YOU
BECOME YOUR OWN CASE MANAGER.
YOU SAVE ALL THE EVIDENCE.
THE MOMENT -- PEOPLE ALWAYS ASK
ME, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU'RE BEING
STALKED.
IT'S THE MOMENT YOU FEEL IN FEAR
FOR YOUR SAFETY.
PERIOD.
THE FIRST THING YOU MUST DO IS
MAKE IT CLEAR TO THAT PERSON
THAT YOU WANT NO FURTHER CONTACT
OF ANY KIND.
>> THAT'S KEY.
DON'T TRY TO TALK HIM OUT OF IT,
DON'T BE NICE.
>> DON'T GET INTO SA
CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
>> NOT A NEGOTIATION.
>> EVEN IF IT'S IN WRITING OR
E-MAIL, WHATEVER, BUT THAT IS
THE STARTING POINT TO PROVING A
CASE OF STALKING.
FROM THERE DOCUMENT AND SAVE
EVERYTHING.
IT'S SO MUCH EASIER IN THIS DAY
AND AGE WITH TECHNOLOGY AND ALL
OF THAT.
THE KNEE-JERK REACTION A LOT OF
TIMES IS PEOPLE WANT TO ERASE
MESSAGES OR WHATEVER.
NO.
SAVE EVERYTHING.
THEN ONCE YOU REALLY FEEL LIKE
THIS IS A SERIOUS THING, GET
DOWN TO THE POLICE STATION.
I WORK WITH VICTIMS ALL THE
TIME.
I HOLD THEIR HAND.
I HELP THEM MANAGE THEIR OWN
STALKING CASES, BECAUSE YOU
DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
GET DOWN TO THE POLICE STATION
AND WORK WITH THEM.
BE YOUR OWN DETECTIVE.
FOR SEVERAL REASONS.
ONE, IT HELPS THE POLICE BE ABLE
TO MANAGE THE CASE AND HOPEFULLY
GET THE RESTRAINING ORDERS AND
GET THE GUY PUT AWAY SOONER
RATHER THAN LATER.
THE OTHER THING IS IT GOES BACK
TO EMPOWERMENT.
IT'S A CONTROL THING.
YOU FEEL -- THE MORE YOU DO FOR
YOUR SELF, RIGHT, THE MORE IN
CONTROL YOU FEEL AND THE MORE
POWERFUL YOU FEEL.
THAT FEAR GOES AWAY.
>> WELL SAID.
>> YEAH.
>> YOU'RE A GREAT EXAMPLE OF
THAT.
HONESTLY, I THANK YOU.
WITHOUT YOU, WHAT HAPPENED TO
ME, IT MAY HAVE BEEN MONEY OFF
AS WELL.
THANKS TO WOMEN WHO CAME BEFORE
ME, FINALLY I WAS ABLE TO GET
PEOPLE TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
THE PERSON WHO CAME AFTER ME
WENT TO JAIL FOR A LONG TIME AND
A MENTAL INSTITUTION AFTER THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE WITH
KATHLEEN IN A BIT.
I WANT TO TELL YOU SHE'S GOT A
NEW SHOW CALLED "THE SAFETY