>>AFTER TED CRUZ DROPPED OUT WITH DONALD TRUMP SEEMING FAIRLY
TRIUMPHANT YESTERDAY, WE STARTED TO WONDER, WHO IS GOING TO STEP
UP TO POTENTIALLY POSITION THEMSELVES AS A VP CANDIDATE
ALONGSIDE EITHER HILLARY OR BERNIE SANDERS?
WHO WILL BE THE
ONE WHO CAN STAND AGAINST DONALD TRUMP AND ATTACK HIM IN A MORE
HONEST WAY THAN HE ATTACKS OTHER PEOPLE, BUT WITH THE SAME FERVOR
THAT HE DOES?
AND WE MIGHT HAVE HAD AN EARLY EXAMPLE OF THAT
WITH ELIZABETH WARREN GOING ON A SOCIAL MEDIA TEAR AGAINST DONALD
TRUMP.
SHE TWEETED THIS --
>> BY THE WAY, DAVID DUKE COMING
OUT WITH VERY ENTHUSIASTIC WORDS
ABOUT DONALD TRUMP TODAY.
SHE ALSO TWEETED --
>>
THOSE WERE THE KIND WORDS THAT I HAD TO SAY ABOUT TRUMP.
SHE FURTHER WENT ON TO SAY, AND I HAD ACTUALLY FORGOTTEN ABOUT
THIS ONE, IT IS ON FACEBOOK --
>> ALL TRUE.
>> IT IS SO WEIRD.
SHE DIDN'T ATTACK HIM ON HIS STANCE ON
FRACKING OR INTERNATIONAL TRADE DEALS?
OR HIS TAX POLICY?
OR THE
WAY HE FEELS ABOUT MONEY IN POLITICS?
SHE'S DOING ALL THE
SAME ATTACKS -- ALL THOSE ATTACKS, SHE COULD HAVE DONE IF
SHE WAS CAMPAIGNING TO BE THE VICE PRESIDENT FOR JOHN KASICH.
IT'S OBVIOUS AND LOW HANGING FRUIT TO ATTACK DONALD TRUMP AND
IT'S EASY, AND IT'S NOT COURAGEOUS, IT DOESN'T TAKE
GUTS, ALL SHE IS DOING --
>>APPARENTLY IT TAKES SOME BECAUSE SO FEW DEMOCRATS HAVE
DONE IT LIKE SHE HAS.
EVEN HILLARY CLINTON WAS ASKED TODAY, DO YOU AGREE HE'S A
SEXIST AND RACIST, AND SHE SAID I WILL LET ELIZABETH WARREN
SPEAK FOR HERSELF.
>>JUST BECAUSE HILLARY IS GUTLESS, DOES NOT MEAN IT TAKES
GUTS TO SAY THESE THINGS.
>>I THINK SIX MONTHS FROM NOW THEY WILL BE NO LACK OF
SAYING THESE THINGS ABOUT DONALD TRUMP.
>>WE HAVE ALSO LEARNED THIS YEAR THAT WAITING HURTS.
>>PERHAPS WAITING DOES HURT, I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THAT, BUT
WE WILL BE SICK OF HEARING THIS STUFF ABOUT DONALD
TRUMP AT A CERTAIN POINT.
>>I THINK -- WHAT DO YOU THINK?
IT DOESN'T MATTER, DONALD TRUMP
IS NOT GOING TO BE PRESIDENT, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
>>I'M NOT SAYING I DISAGREE, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD YOU SAY
THAT BEFORE.
WHAT YOU THINK THERE IS NO CHANCE?
>> I DON'T WANT TO PIMP THE NEXT STORY, BUT THERE IS ALL THAT --
>>I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
WILL GET TO THAT SOON, BUT DO
YOU THINK --
>>I DON'T THINK YOU ARE PIMPING IT.
>>OR STEP ON IT,.
>>I LIKE PIMP, I THOUGHT MAYBE HE KNOWS A MEANING I DON'T KNOW.
>>I THOUGHT ABOUT IT FOR 11 SECONDS.
>>I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON THE NEXT STORY --
>>DON'T WORRY.
>>HILLARY IS THE LUCKIEST CANDIDATE, IN A SENSE, BECAUSE
SHE IS RUNNING AGAINST THE ONLY OTHER POLITICIAN WITH HIGHER
NEGATIVES THAN HERS, AND HIS OWN PARTY IS ALREADY COMING OUT --
THAT IS NOT HAPPENING IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, WHERE
MAINSTAYS -- YOU HAVE FRINGE GUYS LIKE ME SAYING SHIT
LIKE THAT, BUT NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS.
>>I HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH ON YOUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL, YOU ARE NOT
FRINGE.
YOU ARE RIGHT, THE PARTICULAR THINGS SHE WAS
ATTACKING HIM ON ARE OF COURSE AVOIDING THE WEAK POINTS OF
HILLARY CLINTON, BUT THAT SAID, IF IT WAS UP TO YOU AND IF YOU
COULD PRESS A BUTTON AND CHOOSE WHO THE VP WOULD BE IF HILLARY
IS THE NOMINEE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE BERNIE, MOST LIKELY.
AND
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LARRY LESSIG OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ISN'T SHE ONE OF THE BEST WE CAN HOPE FOR?
>>YOUR REFLEX IS YES, THAT WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER SO WE WOULD
HAVE HER THERE AND SHE WOULD BE IN HILLARY'S EAR -- WEATHER THAT
MATTERS, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT THERE IS THIS OTHER THEORY THAT THAT
WOULD HURT -- A HILLARY PRESIDENCY IS WORSE FOR THE
PROGRESSIVES THAN ACTUALLY A TRUMP PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE A LOT
OF PEOPLE IN THE MAINSTREAM ARE EVEN SAYING THAT EVEN THIS
ELECTION, HE COULD FLIP THE HOUSE AGAINST THE REPUBLICANS.
SO IF HE GETS IN AND HE IS NEUTERED, THERE IS A DEMOCRATIC
HOUSE AND SENATE AND IN FOUR YEARS WE SWITCH IT AGAIN, THERE
IS A CASE TO BE MADE THAT IT IS BETTER FOR PROGRESSIVES -- AND
IF HILLARY GETS IN AND SHE BRINGS ELIZABETH WARREN AND
CORRUPTS HER IN THAT WAY, THERE IS NO WAY HILLARY WILL BECOME A
PROGRESSIVE.
THE IDEA THAT FDR WASN'T UNTIL -- THIS IS A PIPE
DREAM, WE HAVE 30 YEARS ON HER, WE KNOW WHO SHE IS.
SHE WILL NOT
BECOME A PROGRESSIVE.
ANYWAY, I WILL STOP THERE.
MICHAEL?
>>THANKS FOR NOT PIMPING ME.
FIRST OF ALL I DON'T THINK ELIZABETH WARREN OR BERNIE
SANDERS WILL BE THE VP NOMINEE.
>>IS THAT GUT OR BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO --
>>IT IS GUT, BUT THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE WITH
ANYBODY ELSE ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES I HAVE WITH YOU.
>>PROBABLY MORE INTELLIGENT.
>>YOU, YES.
BUT NOT JIMMY.
>>WHO DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE?
>> IF SHE DECIDES -- I THINK THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE
BEEN TALKED ABOUT.
PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT JULIAN CASTRO,
PEOPLE HAVE NOT TALKED AS MUCH ABOUT THOMAS PEREZ.
>>I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HIM.
>>YOU SHOULD FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH HIM, BECAUSE HE IS
THE TYPE OF PERSON -- SECRETARY OF LABOR -- WHO IS VERY
PROGRESSIVE, LATINO, IT IS A NAME MANY PEOPLE WILL HAVE HEARD
HERE FIRST, BUT A LOT OF YOU HAVEN'T.
PEOPLE KNOW WHO HE IS.
THAT IS THE KIND OF PROGRESSIVE SHE MIGHT LEAN TOWARD, OR SHE
MIGHT GO FOR A GOVERNOR OF A STATE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO GET.
>>YOU JUST GAVE ME A TERRIBLE THOUGHT.
WHAT IF ONE OF THE
REASONS JOHN KASICH HAD TO LEAVE IS THAT SO HE CAN BEGIN
CAMPAIGNING ALONGSIDE HILLARY CLINTON?
>> HE WILL NOT DO THAT, BECAUSE HE AND TED STRICKLAND --
>>THEY WOULD ALMOST CERTAINLY WIN.
>>CHRIS MATTHEWS LITERALLY RECOMMENDED -- HE SAID HILLARY
CLINTON, IF HE WAS SMART --
>>THAT IS BECAUSE CHRIS MATTHEWS HAS HIGH-ENERGY ABOUT THIS
STUFF AND LOVES THIS FANTASY, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
IF SHE CROSSES THE BORDER TO A REPUBLICAN, WHICH SHE WILL
NOT DO, IT WOULDN'T BE KASICH EITHER.
>>YOU DON'T THINK THERE IS A CHANCE IN HELL -- WHAT IF SHE
PICKS AN INDEPENDENT?
OR LINCOLN CHAFEE OR SOMEBODY.
>>YOU PICK A DEMOCRAT FROM A STATE WHO COULD MAYBE DELIVER THAT STATE.
>>LIKE SHERROD BROWN?
>>HE WOULD BE GOOD BECAUSE HE IS FROM OHIO, BUT HE DOESN'T LOOK
LIKE WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF A VICE PRESIDENT LOOKING LIKE, DICK
CHENEY APART FROM THAT.
BUT SOMEBODY LIKE TOM VILSACK,
SECRETARY OF AGRICULTURE FROM IOWA, A STATE THAT WILL BE
IMPORTANT, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS CAMPAIGN -- AS
TRUMP AND HILLARY ENGAGE, AND AS THE ELECTORATE IN THE ENSUING
WEEKS COMES TOGETHER, YOU HAVE TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING.
IF PEOPLE ARE RECOILING AT DONALD TRUMP EVERYWHERE, THEN IT
DOESN'T MATTER WHO SHE PICKS FOR AS PRESIDENT.
FIRST OF ALL IT
DOESN'T MATTER ANYWAY, NOBODY VOTES FOR THE VICE PRESIDENT.
BUT IF SHE NEEDS TO APPEASE PEOPLE IN ORDER TO GET PAST
SOMETHING, THEN YOU GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
>> I THINK HER CHOOSING THEORETICALLY ELIZABETH WARREN,
SOME PROGRESSIVES WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH
-- I'M NOT THE POLITICAL HISTORIAN YOU ARE TO KNOW
EXACTLY GOING BACK HOW MUCH INFLUENCE IT ACTUALLY HAD,
THERE ARE CASES LIKE DICK CHENEY WHERE THEY SEEM TO HAVE A
LOT OF INFLUENCE.
>>THEY HAD INFLUENCE WHRN THEY WERE VICE PRESIDENT.
DONALD
TRUMP IS GOING TO PICK SOMEONE LIKE A JOHN KASICH WHO CAN GO TO
CONGRESS AND KNOWS HOW TO NAVIGATE CONGRESS, BECAUSE HE
DOESN'T.
GEORGE W. BUSH KNEW VERY LITTLE, HE THOUGHT BY
HAVING A FORMER SECRETARY, CHIEF OF STAFF, AND A CONGRESSMAN IN
DICK CHENEY, THAT WILL BE SOMEONE WHO WILL HELP ME ON THE
HILL.
THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK EITHER.
BARACK OBAMA SELECTED
RAHM EMANUEL TO BE HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, THAT WAS A DISASTROUS
PICK.
YES HE KNEW THE CONGRESS -- EVERYONE IN CONGRESS HATED HIM.
THAT WAS THE WRONG PERSON TO PICK.
BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT
THE VICE PRESIDENT BRINGS -- SAY ALL OF A SUDDEN DONALD
TRUMP IS DOING SO POORLY THAT A STATE LIKE MISSISSIPPI COMES
INTO PLAY FOR THE DEMOCRATS, WHICH IS NOT FAR-FETCHED,
BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LOT OF BLACK VOTERS WHO ARE VERY ACTIVE
THERE, THEY HAVE LIBERAL WHITE DEMOCRATS, THE DEMOCRATS THERE
ARE LIBERAL WHITE DEMOCRATS.
THEY COULD GO INTO MISSISSIPPI
AND SAY THERE MIGHT BE SOMEBODY IN THIS STATE, A FORMER
GOVERNOR, FORMER CONGRESSMAN, MIKE ESPY -- I'M THINKING OUT
LOUD RIGHT NOW -- YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPREAD OUR
DEMOCRATIC MESSAGE INTO MISSISSIPPI.
>>HALEY BARBOUR?
>>HALEY AND HILLARY.
>> TRUMP AND KASICH HAVE BICKERED LESS THAN SOME REPUBLICANS AT
THIS POINT, I THINK CHOOSING ELIZABETH WARREN -- SOME
PROGRESSIVES WOULD LIKE THAT, BUT PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY,
AND FOR THE SAME REASON I SAID TED CRUZ MADE A GOOD MOVE BY
CHOOSING CARLY FIORINA, NOT THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP HIM --
BUT IF YOU SIMPLY HAVE HILLARY CLINTON AND ELIZABETH WARREN,
DONALD TRUMP CAN NOW ATTACK THEM IN DISGUSTING WAYS.
TWO WOMEN
WHO THINK THEY CAN BE NOT JUST PRESIDENT BUT VICE PRESIDENT?
HE
WILL BREAK HIS PHONE TWEETING BAD THINGS ABOUT THEM.
AND HE
HAS DONE WORSE WHEN HE REMINDS PEOPLE HOW CHILDISH HE IS.
>> AND SPEAKING OF THAT, AL FRANKEN IS SOMEONE WHO DOES WELL
WHEN HE CAN GET INTO THE KIND OF INSULTING THING, VERY SMART,
VERY CAUSTIC WHEN HE NEEDS TO BE, COULD PLAY THAT GAME WITH
HIM.
BUT AGAIN, NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT.
THE
VICE PRESIDENT AND THE NOMINEE DON'T GET INTO IT THAT MUCH, YOU
DID NOT SEE JOE BIDEN AND MITT ROMNEY GOING AT IT MUCH.
>>THAT IS TRUE, BUT I THINK WITH TRUMP AND A FEMALE VP, OR
THEORETICALLY A MUSLIM VP, SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING.
HE WILL DO THE DAMAGE TO HIMSELF.
>>I WOULD SAY IT'S UNLIKELY, THIS IS MY GUT SPEAKING, THAT
TWO WOMEN WOULD BE ON THE TICKET.
WHY TAKE A RISK WHEN IT
IS DONALD TRUMP AND YOU WILL BEAT HIM ANYWAY?
DON'T DO
ANYTHING CRAZY.
I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL TELL HILLARY THAT,
BECAUSE WHY MESS WITH SOMETHING THAT SEEMS SO AUTOMATIC?
>>WHAT IS THE OVER/UNDER ON HOW MAY TIMES, IF IT IS ELIZABETH
WARREN AND HILLARY CLINTON, HOW MANY TIMES TRUMP MENTIONS
MENSTRUAL CYCLES?
>>THEY ARE BOTH POSTMENOPAUSAL, SO THEY MIGHT BE FINE.