the protests in Ukraine continue we're talking about the Euro might on protests
as they're being called
now these been going on since roughly November 21st in that
we're gonna talk about multiple different elements of this because
they've really raged third a boiling point with boiling point over the past
two or three days
but so basically you can trace this back to you a
originally the EU was starting to economically in Jan term the some laws
integrate more closely with ukraine they had this Agreement
that if they instituted on certain laws if they %uh
took down the unemployment rate various other things that they've acquired
than they would move a bit closer towards possibly eventually integrating
fully
Ukraine into the EU now out at that at that point the present ukraine perfectly
fine with it he says they start to make moves towards that
now eventually put in and the Russian government behind the scenes start the
interfere with things
and they make some changes in terms of exports from the ukraine
and it starts to hurt the Ukrainian economy and so
for that reason but also for many other reasons it's extremely complex
the ukrainian President start to back off and say we're not actually going to
integrate
with that the EU we're gonna back off from that and perhaps move a little
closer
to russia and their economic sphere and
at blue chiefly because %uh that very significant protests began particularly
as I said on November 21st
those have been building over time now especially last Thursday
new laws were put in a place to curb freedom of association
and that's when almost literally the shit hit the fan
and what had been large protests already ten twenty fifty thousand people
average 350,000 some say a million in some cases the people marching
against the the move that up to the president a victor out unique approach
okay so three people have died which of course is taking it to a whole nother
level
who were shot so obviously some police were shooting at the protesters and and
one fellow
firm up a significant height and died
and I was also a clash with police now to be fair some portion
over the protesters are much more radical
and Eva throwing Molotov cocktails the protesters obviously they will bring the
ties burning tires is one thing
here in America you'd be in guantanamo nurse with second right
but that's fairly common elsewhere in the world as long as you're not throwing
a burning tire the cops
yet but threw Molotov cocktails because obviously is a very very serious
and then the cops a big bro stun grenades rubber balls and obviously some
cases
non rubber bullets at the protesters so it's
is an absolute mess in the ukraine at this point and
a lot of the leaders over the opposition have some strong statements
a including say we're willing to take a bullet I
to come out here in protest again yes so you were mentioning it
about the fact that it's easy to see the %uh the police and the people are
protesting but it's not always one group it so it's a very frequently more
more complex than that in this case you have the people who want
ukraine the you to integrate in terms their economies
on the also people like you like you were talking about in the right sector
there being called this is up
nationalistic far-right association that say in some cases a political objectives
in some cases they desire to be a political may just see it as
attacking the government where it's possible and simply because those people
in many cases want to start violent confrontations with the police does not
mean
that that with the entire movement is about and I think that it's going to be
easy for the government to try to paint it as that
yet on the shocking that the right-wing resort to violence but
I in fact the majority of protesters are not in that group
there the group saying we should be joining the European Union
and not but you know Bay going in
in working with a love your pool yet so you alluded to some the strong
statements from were seen as leaders in the opposition movement we've got one
actually but Ali Klitschko
that the boxer very well-known he's involved in this he said
but today they're preparing the clearest out love the night on the Independence
Square where the the protesters for centered
we must do all we can to stop them clearance I will go on the offensive
I will not live in shame tomorrow we will go forward together
if there will be a bull in the forehead so be it will be honest just
and brave action now today in there have been talks between some of that
opposition leaders and
the leaders in the Ukrainian government it seems like the tensions are dying
down to some extent
and they believe that but I Klitschko in particular said okay when to back off
doesn't seem like will be more violence for now but who knows what's going to
happen tomorrow night you imagine if they shot the former
a heavyweight champion of the world in the head so I won't be
on believable yeah that would be insane in the ukraine
for get anything within within letter to be considered a
Nokia are so it now in all seriousness
look it couldn't must be put in some sort of
unbelievable pressure on the leader in Ukraine raid
whether it's an incentive or disincentive it's unclear
yeah by when you got this amount of unrest in your country
and people were dying and its obviously jeopardize your government people
calling for early elections
something worse your diplomatic relations with the US
europe et cetera or deteriorating
and is still use a nope I'm not gonna ban not only am I not gonna ban but I'm
gonna pass more laws
yeah that say that you're not allowed to protest there's something going on
behind the scenes
that makes him think that he cannot ban yet and so I don't know what that is but
again possibly look and talk about the last summer to the show together
possibly the implicit or explicit threat of violence text message that was
supposedly sent by the government
20 protesters and people did not protest but lived in areas near with brad has
happened
yesterday it says dear subscriber you are registered as a participant in a
mass disturbance
that is some nineteen 84 ship right there and especially
when you want these people in many cases were not protesters they just happen to
be close by
apparently the government is tapping into some sort of G locating and
technology the ability nor the cell phones are
and I would be very afraid if I was getting a text message like that
so two things about that are really important one to be is a show you the
good guys are in the bag x-rayed
so again the guys on the right there through the Molotov cocktails whatever
you know they're I don't approve their actions at all when the government says
we know where you are
and tries to intimidate you in this way there clearly not the good guys
yeah okay they're not say case our citizens
would like to help you throw away there obviously applying
we'd like to like you up in Soma did they put dear at the beginning to take
all well then that very polite very close to done but
look that that's obviously a bad sign when they they were clamping down on the
ability to with peaceably assemble and things like that that's a bad sign in
this
but part of what you the ukraine needed to do tube to make their %uh
to get the government their economy prepared for integration the you
was that they had to start clamping down democracy they had to stop taking is
anti-democratic actions
and that they had a long period time where they're supposed to make progress
on that but they seem to be doing the exact opposite direction
and if they've done if the president the trend continues to these actions
I can't imagine the EU is going to want anything to do with the ukraine
and so I hope that I mean I don't know if it's gonna be early elections I don't
know before striking resignations
protesters recently broke into I think a regional mayors office
and forth in the sign the letter of resignation that's not the right
direction to go in but if you can force early elections i think thats probably
best for everyone involved
except possibly Vladimir Putin and finally
John made this point before we got on there if the Ukrainian government knows
where you are
what do you think about big capabilities of the US government
probably a little bit little better area so
no no don't worry though when it when a government as shallow as like this they
would never do that
my I'm sure that our government would be much better than the Ukrainian
government
I'll elections yeah I'm sure that if in the US we r protesters who were
burning tires storm also have cocktails they wouldn't use you targeting
techniques around
all those people up is sent to prison for the rest of their lives
not just the guys through the cocktails but the guys who happened to be in and
it was at the effected area or whatever they are here you're in an area mass
disturbance
in the area mass disturbance ride
yet a lonely old by the way who would be interested the Quakers
I gots are his should be about this