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>> Hey, everyone. Welcome to theCUBE's coverage of KubeCon,
Cloud Dave Con here in person, in LA 2021.
I'm John Furrier, host of theCUBE,
with Dave Nicholson, Cloud hosts for theCUBE.
And of course, former host of theCUBE Stu Miniman,
now at Red Hat.
Stu we do our normal keynote reviews,
we had to have you come back.
First of all, how's everything at Red Hat?
>> John, it's phenomenal.
Great to see you.
Nice to have Dave be on the program here too.
It's been awesome.
So yeah, a year and a day since I joined Red Hat,
and I do miss you guys.
Always enjoy doing the interviews in theCUBE,
but you know, we're still in the community,
and still interacting lots.
>> We love your Stu and David's your new replacement,
in covering the Cloud angles.
He's going to bring a little Stu mojo to the interview.
But Stu, we've always done the wrap-up,
it's always been our favorite interviews,
that do an analysis of the keynote,
because let's face it, that's where all the action is,
of course we bring the commentary.
But this year it's important,
because it's the first time we've had an event
in two years too.
So a lot of people aren't saying this on camera a lot,
but they're kind of nervous.
They're worried, they're weirded out.
We're back in person again.
"What do I feel?
I haven't seen people,
I've been working with people online."
This is top story.
>> Yeah, John, I thought they did a really good job
in the keynote this morning.
Normally, I mean, this community in general
is good with inclusion.
Part of that inclusion is,
"Hey, what are you comfortable with?"
If you're remote, we still love you, it's okay.
And if you're here in person,
you might see those wristbands of green, yellow, red,
as in like, "Hey, you okay with a handshake,
you want to do there." Or "Stay the F away from me,
because I'm not really that comfortable yet being here."
And it's whatever you're comfortable with.
That's okay.
>> I think the inclusion and the whole respect
for the individual code of conduct,
CNCF and Linux foundation has been on the front end
of all those trends.
I love how they're taking it to a whole nother level.
David, I want to get your take too,
'cause now with Multi-Cloud we heard the same message
over and over again that, "Hey, Open wins."
Okay. Open wins and it's still changing fast.
What's your take.
>> Open, absolutely wins.
It's the present. It's the future.
I know in some of the conversations
that we've had with folks.
Looking back over the last seven years.
A lot of things have changed.
Whenever I think of Open Source anything,
I go back to the foundations of Linux.
And I remember a time when you had to reboot a Linux server
to re-scan a scuzzy bus, to add a new storage device.
And we all sort of put our penguin hats on
and kind of ignored that for a while.
And as things have developed,
we keep coming into these new situations.
Multi-cluster management was a big point of conversation
in the keynote today.
It's fascinating when you start thinking about something
that was once sort of a backroom science experiment.
Absolutely it's the center of the enterprise now
from a software perspective.
>> From an Open Source standpoint,
security has been one of those front and center things.
One of the days of your events that got a lot of buzz coming
at the beginning of the week, was secure supply chain.
So with the solar wind act going in there, you know,
we remember Cloud?
Oh wait, can I trust it with the security?
Open Source, now Open Source and security go together.
Open Source and the security in the Cloud all go together.
So, you know, that wave of Open Source obviously,
is one of the things that brought me to Red Hat.
I'd had a couple of decades, you know,
working with the enterprise,
and Open Source and that adoption curve,
which went through a few bumps in the road over time.
And it took time, but today, I mean,
Open Source is a given this show in this ecosystem,
are such proof points of it.
>> Couple of things I noticed, what I want to do is shout out
for the folks who put up nice tribute for Dan Commet,
who's passed away.
We miss him. We saw, he was on theCUBE 2019.
I believe he was on theCUBE a year with Adam on,
a big influence.
But the inclusiveness Stu, and the community is changing.
And I think security has changed a lot.
And I want to get your guys' take on this.
Security has forced a lot of things to happen faster.
Open Data, okay?
And Kubernetes, to get hardened faster.
Stu, I know your team's working on it.
We know what Azure and Amazon is working on it.
What do you guys think about how security has been forcing
the advances in Kubernetes and making that stable?
>> So John, security is job one.
It is everyone's responsibility.
We talk about it from a container and Kubernetes standpoint.
We think we have a relatively good handle
on what's happening in the Kubernetes space.
Red Hat, we made an acquisition earlier this year
of StackRox, which is one of the leading
Kubernetes native security pieces.
But you know, John,
we know security isn't just a moat anymore,
and a wall that you put up,
it's every single piece you need to think about it.
I've got a person from the StackRox acquisition,
actually on my team now.
And I've told him like,
"Hey, you need to cross-train all of us.
We need to understand this more from a marketing standpoint.
We need to talk about it from a developer standpoint.
we need to have consideration of it."
It's no longer, "Hey, it works okay on my machine,"
Come on, it needs to go to production.
We all know this shift left is something,
we've been talking about for many years.
So yes, security, security, security.
We cannot overemphasize how important it is.
You know, when it comes to Kubernetes, John,
I think, you know, we're relatively mature,
were crossing the chasm,
the adoption numbers are there,
so it's not an impediment anymore.
>> It's TeleTech level.
I do, I agree with you Stu.
David, I want to get your thoughts on this whole,
adoption roadmap, that put it together
one of the working groups that we interviewed
has got that kind of navigate,
is kind of like trail heads for Salesforce.
But that speaks to that adopted by mainstream enterprises,
not the hardcore, you know, DevOps guys,
but like it goes into mainstream enterprise.
Have IT departments and security groups.
They're like, "We got to program faster."
How do you see the Cloud guys in this ecosystem competing
and making that go faster?
>> So it's been interesting over the last decade or more.
Often, technology has been ahead of people's comfort level
with that technology, for obvious reasons.
It's not just, "Oh, something went wrong."
It's "Oh, something went wrong, I lost my job,
really, really bad things happened."
So we tend to be conservative, rightfully so.
Sometimes there are these seminal moments
where a shift happens.
Go back, sort of analogous, go back to a time when
people's main concern with VMware was
"How can I get support from Microsoft?"
And all of a sudden it went from that within weeks to
"How can I deploy this in my enterprise."
Very, very quickly.
And I'm fascinated by this concept of
locking down the supply chain of code,
sort of analogous to HTTPS, you know, secure HTTP.
It's the idea of making sure that these blocks of code are
validated and secure as they get implemented.
You mentioned things like
cluster and pod security and infrastructure security.
>> Well, David, you brought up a really good point.
So GitOps is the instantiation of that.
How can I have my infrastructure as code?
How can I make sure that I don't have drift.
It's because, hey, I can just,
it'll live in GitHub and therefore it's version controlled.
If I try to do something, it will validate that it's there
and keep me on version,
because we know, I mean, John,
we talked about it for years on theCUBE.
We've gone beyond human scale.
If I don't build automation into it,
if I don't have the guardrails in place,
because, humans will mess things up,
so we need to make sure that we have the processes
and the automation in place.
And Kubernetes was built for that.
It's automation at its core, putting in.
We've seen, GitOps, The Argo CD was only, when graduated,
you know, the Onedoto it was supported as KubeCon Europe,
earlier this year.
We already had a number of our customers deploying it,
using it, talking publicly about.
>> Stu I want to get the GitOps angle in this.
Good call out there.
And mainly because when we were on theCUBE,
when you were a CUBE host with us,
we were always cheerleading for Kubernete, we'd love,
we could meet here every single KubeCon.
We were one saying, "This is going to be big, trust us."
And it is, it happens too.
So, but now we've been kind of,
we don't have to sell it anymore.
We don't, I mean, not, not that we're selling it, but like,
we don't have to be a proponent of something,
when we knew was going to happen, it happened.
You now work for a vendor, Red Hat.
You talk to customers.
What is that next level conversation look like?
'Cause now that they know it's real,
'cause they have to do it.
How is the GitOps
and the modern applications, software development changing?
What are your observations?
Can you share with us from a Red Hat perspective,
as someone who's talking to customers, you know,
what does real look like?
>> Yeah, so, GitOps is a great example of that.
So, you know, certain of our, you know,
government agencies that we work with, you know,
obviously very secured about, you know, we want zero trust,
who do we put in charge of things.
So if they can have, you know,
that source of truth and know that that is maintained
and locked down and not,
"Oh wait some admin's going to mess something up on us."
Either maliciously or "Ops", by accident,
or anything in between.
That's why they were pushing
that adoption of that kind of technology.
So, you know, absolutely,
they for the most part, John,
they don't want to have to think about
the infrastructure piece anymore.
What if developers want.
The old pass days was,
I want to be able to, you know,
write once, deploy anywhere, live anywhere.
Containers helps that a little bit.
We even have in the container space now,
you can use a server less deployment model with, you know,
K natives, the big Open Source project
that VMware ourselves are working on.
Google's involved in it.
So, you know,
having us be able to focus on the business
and not, you know, running the plumbing anymore.
>> Yeah. That's exactly it, that's exactly it.
That's what we're so psyched for.
Okay, guys, let's wrap this up and review the keynote.
Dave, we'll start with you.
What'd you think of the keynote?
What were the highlights?
What'd you take away from today's keynote?
>> So you touched on a couple of things.
Inclusion from all sorts of different angles.
Really impressive.
This sort of easing back
into the world of being face-to-face.
I think they're doing a fantastic job at that.
The thing that struck me was something I mentioned earlier,
moving into multi-cluster management
in a way that really speaks to enterprise deployments
and the complexity of enterprise deployments moving forward.
It's not just, "I'm a developer,
I'm using resources in the Cloud. I'm doing things this way.
The rest of the enterprise is doing it a legacy way."
It's really an acknowledgement
that these things are coming together, increasingly.
That's what really struck me.
>> Stu, what's your takeaway from the keynote?
>> So there's been a discussion in the industry, you know,
what do the next million Cloud customers look like?
We've crossed the chasm on Kubernetes.
One of the things they announced in the keynote
is they have a new associate level certification,
'cause I tell you, before the keynote,
I stopped by the breakfast area, sat at a table,
talk to a couple of people.
One guy was like,
"Hey, I've been on Amazon for a bunch of years,
but I'm a Kubernetes newbie. I'm here to learn about that."
It's not the same person that five years ago was like,
"I'm going to grab all these projects
and pull them down from getting billed by stack and,
you know, have a platform team to manage it."
From a Red Hat standpoint, we're delivering,
our biggest growth areas in Cloud services,
where, hey, I've got an SRE team,
they can manage all that because, can you do it?
Sure, you got people, maybe you'll hire them,
but wouldn't you rather have them work on, you know,
that security initiative or that new application
or some of these pieces of, you know,
what can you shift to your vendor?
What can you offload from your team?
Because we know the only constant is that,
there's going to be new pieces.
And I don't want to have to look at,
oh, there's another 20 new projects and how does that fit?
Can I have a partner or a consultant an SI
that can help me integrate that into my environment,
when it makes sense for me,
because otherwise, oh my God, Cloud, so much innovation,
how do I grasp what I want?
>> Great stuff, guys.
I will just say my summary is that I'm excited
this community has broken through the pandemic
and survived and thrived.
People were working together during the pandemic.
It's like a VIP event here.
So that my keynote epiphany was, this is like the who's who.
Some big players are here.
I saw Bill Vass from Amazon
on the ground floor on Monday night.
He's number two at AWS.
I show some top VCs here, Microsoft, IBM, Red Hat-
>> Stu: John the hallway track is back.
>> The hallway track is back.
And it's a hybrid event.
So I think we're here for the long haul with hybrid events,
where you can see a lot more in-person VIP-like vibe.
People are doing deals.
It feels alive Stu. And it's all open.
So it's all cool.
And again, the team at CNCF,
they do an exceptional job of inclusion
and making people feel safe and cool.
So great job.
Thanks for coming on. Appreciate it. Good stuff.
Okay. The keynote review, here from theCUBE.
Stu Miniman shout out for Dave Nicholson.
Thanks for watching.
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