I DON'T KNOW WHY I LIKE THIS STORY SO MUCH, BUT I DO.
A MOTHER AND SON FACE CHARGES ON ADULTERY, BECAUSE THE MOM
HAD SEX WITH HER SON.
LET'S LOOK AT HIM, SHALL WE?
THIS IS MELISSA NELL KITCHENS, 44, OF WEAVER WILL.
WARRANTS SAY THAT SHE ENGAGED IN SEX WITH HER SON, THERE HE
IS, SHAUN THOMAS PFEIFFER.
HE LOOKS LIKE HE COULD BE YOUR SON.
HE HAS TOO MUCH TESTOSTERONE IN HIS BODY, YOU CAN TELL BY HIS
BROW.
I DON'T HAVE THAT, I HAVE DAINTY LADY FACE.
AND EACH HAIR WAS PLACED HERE BY SOMEONE.
IF THEY ARE CONVICTED, THEY FACE UP TO THREE YEARS IN JAIL.
SHAUN, THE SUN, WAS PREVIOUSLY ARRESTED ON VARIOUS CHARGES,
INCLUDING LIBERTIES WITH A CHILD STEMMING FROM AN INCIDENT
THAT TOOK PLACE ON AUGUST 13.
SO HE, THE SON WHO HAD SEX WITH THE MOTHER, WAS ARRESTED FOR
TAKING LIBERTIES WITH A CHILD, WHICH IS A LEVEL 5 FELONY.
THIS IS NOT THE ONLY INCEST STORY IN THE NEWS.
LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS OTHER LOVELY COUPLE, PATRICIA AND
MISTY SPANN.
THEY WERE ARRESTED FOR INCEST IN OKLAHOMA.
THEY BOTH LOVE SUPERMAN, LIKE MOTHER LIKE DAUGHTER.
THEY GOT MARRIED, SO THEY ARE RELATED BY BLOOD, AND YOU
CAN'T MARRY YOUR KID.
EVEN IF YOU DON'T ENGAGE IN SEX, YOU CAN'T MARRY YOUR KID IN
OKLAHOMA BECAUSE THAT IS CONSIDERED INCEST.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
INCEST IS ALMOST UNIVERSALLY ILLEGAL, ACTUALLY.
THERE ARE STATE-BY-STATE DIFFERENCES, IS MARRIAGE
ILLEGAL, IS PENETRATION ILLEGAL.
THERE ARE REASONS FOR IT.
A LOT OF THE INCEST TABOO RELIES ON NOT WANTING INBRED CHILDREN,
BUT EVEN IN CASES WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE CHILDREN, A LOT
OF AFFINITY RELATIONSHIPS, LIKE YOUR STEPPARENTS, YOUR
ADOPTIVE PARENTS, THAT IS ALSO COVERED BY INCEST LAWS
BECAUSE THERE IS A SOCIAL ASPECT THERE.
IT IS NOT JUST A BIOLOGICAL THING.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH IT?
WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH IT, IT'S GROSS, YES, BUT SOME PEOPLE
SAY, LISTEN, GAY SEX IS GROSS, MAKE IT ILLEGAL.
WHAT'S WRONG WITH LETTING THESE TWO CONSENSUAL ADULTS ñ
WHEN IT COMES TO TWO PEOPLE HAVING SEX, IF THEY GO TO HAVE
BABIES, THERE'S A VERY HIGH CHANCE OF DEFORMITY, WHICH CAN
HAPPEN WITH INCEST.
WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE A BABY?
BECAUSE THERE IS A SOCIAL ASPECT OF IT.
THIS PERSON IS THEIR PARENTAL FIGURE, THIS PERSON IS MY
CHILD, PSYCHOLOGICALLY THERE IS A DAMAGE THERE.
WHAT IF THEY REUNITE LATER ON DOWN THE LINE?
BY THE WAY, THIS WOMAN REUNITED WITH HER CHILD, MISTY SPANN.
THEY HIT IT OFF, IT SAYS IN THE ARTICLE, AND THEY GOT MARRIED.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A KID; BIOLOGICALLY THEY ARE BOTH
FEMALE.
SO WHY DO I GIVE A CRAP, AS THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA?
WHY DO I CARE?
I QUERY THAT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
YOU MAKE A COMPELLING POINT TO TRY TO BREAK THROUGH THE
INITIAL WALL THAT IS UP.
BY THE WAY, IF YOU ARE TALKING 20 OR 30
YEARS AGO ABOUT GAY RELATIONSHIPS, IT'S THE
SAME PUBLIC MINDFRAME THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE ABOUT THAT.
BUT IT'S HARD TO TRY TO FATHOM A REASONABLE EXPLANATION FOR
FAMILY MEMBERS, WHO SHARE THE EXACT SAME BLOOD, WHO EMERGED
FROM THE SAME FAMILY LINE, ENGAGING IN SEXUAL RELATIONS.
I UNDERSTAND THE THOUGHT ñ THE THOUGHT PROCESS IN RELATING IT
TO ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN FROWNED UPON, BUT I WILL NEVER STAND
BEHIND THE INSTANCE OF BREAKING UP A FAMILY MOLD FOR A
SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP.
I UNDERSTAND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE DISOWNED FROM
THEIR FAMILY, MAYBE THAT FAMILY IS AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE AND IT
DOESN'T RESONATE WITH THEIR VALUES, BUT IT'S NOT OF THE SAME
DESTRUCTION IT WOULD CAUSE IF FAMILY RELATIONS ARE
STARTED TO HAVE WITH EACH OTHER.
ALL I'M SAYING IS, THESE SOUND LIKE THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENTS
ABOUT WHAT A FAMILY SHOULD STAND FOR, AND WHAT IT SHOULD
LOOK LIKE.
I DON'T THINK HOMOSEXUALITY IS THE SAME AS INCEST.
IT'S NOT A BLACK AND WHITE PICTURE.
I DON'T THINK YOU'RE MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION, I THINK YOU'RE
TALKING ABOUT THE WAY WE ARE TRYING TO WRAP OUR HEAD AROUND
WHY THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN COMPARISON TO OTHER THINGS
THAT ARE ACCEPTABLE IN OUR SOCIETY.
THERE WAS A STUDY IN ICELAND ñ WE JUST TALKED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT
HOW YOU SHOULD TRUST THE STUDIES ABOUT ICELAND ñ THERE WAS A
STUDY IN ICELAND THAT SAID MAYBE THE BEST COMPATIBILITY,
GENETICALLY, IS BETWEEN THIRD COUSINS.
BUT ICELAND IS ALSO A COUNTRY WHERE THE ñ
VIDEO BUFFERING ñ
MET IS YOUR BIOLOGICAL, LIKE YOUR COUSIN.
THAT'S WHY THEY DID THIS STUDY.
HOW COMPATIBLE IS TO CLOSE ñ OR HOW CLOSE IS TOO CLOSE ñ
VIDEO BUFFERING ñ
YOU ARE COMPATIBLE, THAT YOU CAN HAVE ñ
THERE IS NO LIKE, REJECTION.
KISSING COUSINS ARE DIFFERENT THAN MOTHER CHILD, PARENT CHILD.
I WOULD ARGUE THE CASE THAT THERE'S NOTHING MORE HUMANE IN
THIS WORLD, LIKE FOR THE LOVE THAT YOU HAVE FOR A FAMILY
MEMBER.
WHETHER YOU ARE RAISED BY YOUR MOM OR YOUR DAD, THAT IS
WHAT I THINK IN THIS WORLD A LOT OF PEOPLE HOLD STRONGEST VALUES
WHEN IT COMES TO TWO PEOPLE CONNECTING WITH EACH OTHER.
THAT'S NOT SEXUALLY, THAT'S JUST SIMPLY ONE LOVE BEING
SHARED WITH ANOTHER.
I UNDERSTAND WHEN YOU COME TO THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESSES,
PEOPLE 20 OR 30 YEARS AGO PEOPLE WERE LIKE, A MAN SHOULD
LOVE A WOMAN AND A WOMAN SHOULD LOVE A MAN, BUT THE
ARGUMENTS, AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, IS NEVER THE THOUGHT
PROCESS, A MOTHER SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO LOVE HER SON.
DEFINITELY THE SAME THINGS THAT APPLY WHEN IT COMES TO
PEDOPHILIA.
YES, YOU'RE THE MOTHER, YOU KNEW THAT WHEN IT WAS A BABY.
SO YOU DEFINITELY SHOULDN'T BE HAVING SEX WITH YOUR
UNDERAGE BABY.
I THINK THE REASON, LEGALLY, IF YOU'RE HAVING SEX WITH YOUR KIDS
WHEN THEY ARE 25 AND YOU ARE 44, OR WHATEVER, WE'RE GOING TO
ARREST YOU BECAUSE THERE WAS PROBABLY SOMETHING REALLY
TERRIBLE HAPPENING WHEN THAT KID WAS YOUNGER, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR
KID IS ARRESTED FOR, YOU KNOW, ILLICIT ACTIVITIES WITH A MINOR.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE LEGAL ARGUMENT ñ AND IT TOOK ME
FOREVER TO FIGURE OUT, HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM TELLING GAY
PEOPLE THEY CAN'T HAVE SEX AND GET MARRIED?
I THINK IT'S EXCEEDINGLY DIFFERENT FROM TELLING GAY
PEOPLE THEY CAN HAVE SEX AND GET MARRIED.
FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, IT'S VERY WEIRD.
IT'S LIKE, OH GOD IT SEEMS WRONG, BUT WHY?