I DON'T THINK HE CAN COVER UP
THIS FAILURE BY TRYING TO BLOCK
THE PRESS.
THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.
LET'S STAY SAFE.
LET TURN TO JOHN BRENNAN WHO IS
A NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ANALYST
AND HISTORIAN AND PHD STUDENT AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA,
DEPARTMENT OF HISTORY.
EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS AS THINK
ABOUT IT.
IT IS LITERALLY THE INVERSE OF
THE IRAQ WAR.
IT IS CLEAR THEY WERE NOT GOING
TO BE GREETED AS LIBERATORS.
OUR INTELLIGENCE WAS PRISTINE
AND SEEMED TO NAIL IT 10 0%.
BIDEN CHOSE TO RELEELGSASE THE
INFORMATION THAT BLOCKED EVERY
AVENUE AND TACTICAL AVENUE PUTIN
COULD HAVE TRIED.
THE FAILURE WAS ALMOST BAKED IN
BECAUSE THIS MAN DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE OF
UKRAINE, THEY WANTED NOTHING TO
DO WITH HIS COUNTRY.
IT WAS FAILURE, FAILURE.
I CAN'T LOOK PAST THE FACT THAT
THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT SEEMED TO
UNDERSTAND IT AND DID UNDERSTAND EUROPE.
JUST GIVE US YOUR ANALYSIS ON
RUSSIA'S PART AND THE UNITED
STATES.
>> AS YOU MENTIONED, JOY, PUTIN
BADLY, BADLY UNDER ESTIMATED THE
WILL OF THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE TO
RESIST AS WELL AS THE
CAPABILITIES TO RESIST THIS
RUSSIAN WAR MACHINE AS MOVING IN
AND THE INTERNATIONAL
COMMUNITY'S RESOLVE WITH VERY,
VERY STIFF ECONOMIC AND OTHER
TYPES OF SANCTIONS AND LEND
SUPPORT, INTANGIBLE SUPPORT IN
TERMS OF WEAPONS AND OTHER
THINGS FLOWING INTO UKRAINE TO
RESIST THIS UNJUST RUSSIAN
INVASION.
AND SO THEREFORE, I GIVE THE
U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY A
LOT OF CREDIT CARELY WITH
PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID OVER A WEEK
AGO, WHICH WAS HE WAS CONFIDENT
THAT RUSSIA WAS GOING TO INVADE
AND SO THEREFORE, I THINK IT
REFLECTS THAT PUTIN HAS HAD A
DISTORTED PRISM OF UKRAINE AS
WELL AS OF THE WORLD AS A RESULT
OF HIS INCREASING ISOLATION
BROUGHT ON BY NOT JUST COVID BUT
ALSO HIS INCREASING COMPLEX HE
HAS.
HE BELIEVES HE'S INVINCIBLE.
I MUST SAY AS I LOOK AT WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN UKRAINE, THERE IS
NO EXIT RAMP FOR PUTIN.
HE REALIZES HE'S GOTTEN HIMSELF
INTO A DEBACLE SO THE QUESTION
IS WHETHER OR NOT THE RUSSIAN
MILITARY AND RUSSIAN HIGHER
ARKRY ARE GOING TO STAND TO
PUTIN'S WAR.
>> TO STAY WITH YOU JOHN
BRENNAN.
IF PUTIN ESCALATES AND JUST
UNLEASHES ABSOLUTE VIOLENT HELL
ON UKRAINE, IT MAKES IT MORE
IMPOSSIBLE TO HOLD THAT COUNTRY.
EVERYONE THERE WILL DESPISE HIM.
THE RESISTANCE WILL BE ENDLESS.
THE INSURGENCY WILL BE ENDLESS
AND THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
ACCESS TO OUTSIDE INFORMATION.
THEY CAN GET THEIR PERILS OUT TO
THE WORLD.
THEY HAVE UNANIMOUS GLOBAL
SUPPORT.
IT SEEMS THAT GETTING IN DEEPER
AND MAKING HIS TROOPS
ESSENTIALLY KILL POTENTIAL
FAMILY MEMBERS AND COUSINS, THAT
SEEMS INSANE TO BE HONEST.
IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE THAT HE'S
LOST HIS TETHER ENOUGH TO TRY
IT?
>> WELL, I THINK NOW FOR HIM IS
THE QUESTION OF SURVIVAL AND
UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK HE'S
GOING TO BE INCREASINGLY
DESPERATE AND WILL REACH FOR
DESPERATE OPTIONS.
THE BIG QUESTION IN MY MIND IS
WHETHER OR NOT OTHER RUSSIANS
ARE GOING TO ALLOW HIM TO
CONTROL THEIR FAITH AND TO
DESTROY UKRAINE AND TO BRING
DOWN THIS TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS
TRAGEDY UPON THE UKRAINIAN
PEOPLE AND SO THEREFORE, I AM
VERY WORRIED RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I
THINK AS IT WAS SAID EARLIER,
WE'RE REALLY IN UNCHARTED WATERS
AND PUTIN SEES THE CORNERS ARE
CLOSING IN ON HIM.
BOTH INTERNATIONALLY, INSIDE OF
UKRAINE, AS WELL BUT ALSO I
THINK THE POLITICAL
RECOMMENDATIONS AT HOME IN
MOSCOW ARE GOING TO START TO
INCREASINGLY PUT PRESSURE UPON
HIM.
>> LET ME GO TO YOU KIMBERLY.
THE SITUATION IN THE WORLD --
THE PRESSURE IS ON ALL WESTERN
NATIONS TO STAND VIGOROUSLY
BEHIND THE UKRAINIANS.
YOU SAW SOME OF THAT TENSION
PLAY OUT IN GREAT BRITAIN TODAY
WHEN A UKRAINIAN JOURNALIST
CONFRONTED BORIS JOHNSON BUT
THERE IS ALSO THESE POTENTIALS
FOR FRACTION TOURBLG TOUR FRACTU
INTO THE FRACTURES, RACIAL
FRACTURES AROUND THE WORLD.
THERE ARE REPORTS OF AFRICANS,
OF AFRICAN STUDENTS PARTICULARLY
MEDICAL STUDENTS AND OTHERS IN
UKRAINE STUDYING AND ALSO, YOU
KNOW, JUST NON-UKRAINIANS FROM
AROUND THE WORLD TO STUDY IN
UKRAINE, NOT BEING ABLE TO GET
OUT.
WE'RE SHOWING SOME OF THOSE
PICTURES RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S CREATED AN OPPORTUNITY
FOR DISINFORMATION AND FOR
FRACTURING THE UNITED SUPPORT
THAT THERE HAS BEEN FOR THE
UKRAINIAN EFFORT.
WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE
POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO BECOME A
PROBLEM?
WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS DOING THE
DENYING.
>> IT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT AND
WE'RE SEEING THE FRACTURING
ACROSS SOCIAL MEDIA WHERE PEOPLE
SAY UKRAINE IS RACIST SO WHY ARE
WE SUPPORTING THEM OR UKRAINE IS
A WHITE COUNTRY, THIS IS A WHITE
PROBLEM.
THAT FUNDAMENTALLY MIS LYLY LYLY
MISUNDERSTANDS THE UKRAINE
HISTORY.
THESE AFRICAN STUDENTS ARE
RESIDENTS OF UKRAINE.
THERE ARE INDIAN RESIDENTS OF
UKRAINE.
UKRAINE IS A MULTI CULTURAL,
MULTI ETHNIC COUNTRY AND WE HAVE
TO KEEP THAT AT THE FOREFRONT.
THE VIDEOS OF THE BORDER ARE
HORRIFYING BUT WE SHOULD FOCUS
ON THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE ON
THE GROUND HELPING, A LOT OF
PEOPLE INCLUDING MYSELF ARE
MARSHALLING CONNECTIONS ON THE
GROUND TO HELP THE STUDENTS GET
THROUGH TO SAFETY AND MANY OF
THEM ARE GETTING THROUGH TO
SAFETY.
WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL HOW
WE FRAME THIS QUESTION BUT ALSO
TO THE EXTENT WE ALLOW OUR
EMOTIONS TO DRIVE OUR RESPONSES.
THE BEST THING TO DO IS TRY TO
NAVIGATE THIS AS WELL AS WE CAN
AND PROVIDE RESOURCES BECAUSE
RUSSIA WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
THIS AND USE IT AS
DISINFORMATION AS WE HAVE SEEN
WITH THE GEORGE FLOYD PROTEST IN
2020 AND THE 2016 ELECTION.
>> AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
THIS IN THE MEETINGS ON THE
SHOW.
I SAID I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE
AFRICAN UNION.
I WANT TO HEAR FROM SPECIFIC
COUNTRIES THAT HAVE STUDENTS AND
FOLKS OUT THERE LISTEN TO
OFFICIAL INFORMATION THAT'S
COMING FROM THESE NATIONS, NOT
TO SOMEBODY WITH LOTS OF NUMBERS
AFTER THEIR TITLE ON TWITTER,
BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE BEST
SOURCE OF INFORMATION.
FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE
WAY THIS PLAYED OUT, IF THERE IS
AN INSURGENCY IN YOUR VIEW IN
UKRAINE, MY SENSE JUST AS A
CIVILIAN NOT KNOWING ANYTHING
ABOUT THIS IS IT WOULD BE LONG
AND BLOODY.
THESE PEOPLE ARE NEVER GOING TO
SUBMIT TO VLADIMIR PUTIN.
HOW DANGEROUS DOES THAT MAKE
THIS ON GOING SITUATION?
>> YOU'RE RIGHT ON BOTH COUNTS
AND AS I'VE SAID, AS A HISTORIAN
OF UKRAINE IN THE SOVIET UNION,
PUTIN WILL NOT CONTROL UKRAINE
UNTIL THE LAST UKRAINE YNIAN HAS
TAKEN THEIR LAST BREATH.
WE'LL SEE A LONG DRAWN OUT
STRUGGLE AND I'VE SAID BEFORE IN
OTHER INTERVIEWS, THAT MEANS OUR
ETHNIC MINORITIES ARE AN
INCREASED THREAT.
WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING ABOUT
THE RUSSIAN BEHAVIOR THAT MAKES
US THINK THEY'LL BE NICE.
SO I WOULD THINK THAT WE NEED TO
KIND OF GARNER OUR RESOURCES BUT
ALSO AND I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS
ON SOCIAL MEDIA, IF YOU'RE AN
AFRICAN OR INDIAN OR ROW MA
RESIDENT OF UKRAINE, THE BEST
THING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS STAY
PUT AND TRY NOT TO CROSS NOW.
THIS IS A WAR ZONE AND IT'S ONLY
GOING TO GET WORSE.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
ANYTHING BAD THAT HAPPENS TO
SOMEBODY OF COLOR AT THOSE
BORDERS WILL IMMEDIATELY BE
PICKED UP BY THE KREMLIN AND
USED TO TRY TO BOLSTER THEIR
UTTER FAILURE THUS FAR TO TRY TO
TAKE HOLD OF A COUNTRY THAT