LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FOLKS, MY NEXT GUEST IS THE JAMES BEARD
AWARD-WINNING CHEF WHO CREATED THE MOMOFUKU RESTAURANTS.
PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "THE LATE SHOW," DAVID CHANG.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: NOW, SINCE LAST
YOU JOINED US, CONGRATULATIONS.
PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DON'T KNOW YOU, YOU AND YOUR WIFE HAD A
BABY BOY.
>> HE JUST TURNED ONE, YEAH.
( APPLAUSE ).
>> Stephen: CAN I-- DO I MIND IF I-- DO I MIND IF--
>> YES, PLEASE.
>> Stephen: WHAT'S HIS NAME?
>> Stephen: HIS NAME IS HUGO CHANG.
>> Stephen: HE LOOKS LIKE AN ASCENDED MASTER, IN SOME WAY.
>> IN THE ONE-YEAR BIRTHDAY IN KOREAN CULTURE, YOU CELEBRATE
WITH FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND IT'S A WHOLE CEREMONY AND IT JUST
HAPPENED ON SUNDAY.
>> Stephen: HAVING A WORLD-CLASS CHEF FOR A DAD,
WHAT'S THAT LIKE FOR HIM?
WHAT ARE YOU FEEDING THIS BOY?
IS IT JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, JUST DUMP SOME CHEEROS ON A TRAY
AND WALK AWAY?
>> I WISH.
>> Stephen: A BANANA.
>> I WISH IT WAS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
I'VE TAKEN IT UPON MYSELF TO BASICALLY BE HIS PERSONAL CHEF,
AND I SPEND A CRAZY AMOUNT OF TIME PREPARING WHAT HE EATS FOR
BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND DINNER.
>> Stephen: WHAT'S YOUR ANGLE?
HOW DO YOU JUDGE WHAT THIS CHILD SHOULD HAVE ON A DAILY BASIS?
>> I MAKE SOMETHING, AND IF HE LIKES IT I TRY TO CONTINUE TO
MAKE IT.
BUT YOU CAN ONLY DO IT FOR TWO OR THREE DAYS AND HE GETS TIRED
OF IT.
>> Stephen: HOW ADVENTUROUS DO YOU GET WITH A ONE-YEAR-OLD?
>> WELL, I GIVE HIM SORT OF A SOFT-BOILED EGG, BECAUSE I KNOW
PEOPLE MIGHT BE FREAKED OUT.
IF I GIVE HIM A HARD-BOILED EGG, HE'S NOT GOING TO EAT IT.
HE'S VERY PARTICULAR.
DURING LUNCH I TRY TO GIVE HIM AN ARRAY, HE LOVES AVOCADO.
DINNER IS TURKEY AND RICE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> Stephen: HE'S LUCKY IS WHAT HE IS.
>> I WANT TO EAT WHAT HE'S EATING.
>> Stephen: INSPIRED BY YOUR SON AND BEING A FATHER NOW, ON
YOUR SHOW, "UGLY DELICIOUS" IN THE NEW SEASON, YOU FOCUSED ON
WHAT CHILDREN EAT ALL AROUND THE WORLD, OKAY.
>> WE DID.
>> Stephen: WHAT DO CHILDREN HAVE IN COMMON?
>> UHM, I'VE LEARNED-- AND THIS IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC METHOD-- MY
CONCLUSION IS KIDS FROM AROUND THE WORLD ESSENTIALLY JUST WANT
TO EAT CHICKEN NUGGETS.
( LAUGHTER ).
>> Stephen: IN EVERY-- IN EVERY CULTURE?
>> PRETTY MUCH EVERY CULTURE, YES.
>> Stephen: EVERYBODY'S GOT CHICKENS AND EVERYBODY'S GOT A
WAY TO FRY IT.
>> CORRECT.
>> Stephen: WOW.
ARE THERE NUANCES.
DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE CHICKEN NUGGET FROM AROUND THE WORLD, OR
IS IT ALL BASICALLY GROUND UP, PRESSED INTO A PATTY, THROWN
INTO A FRYER.
>> THAT'S THE ONE UNIVERSAL THAT WILLITIZE US ALL TOGETHER.
>> Stephen: YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S IN THAT CHICKEN
NUGGET.
>> EXACTLY.
>> Stephen: YOU ALSO FILMED ANOTHER EPISODE ON STEAK.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: AND HOW PEOPLE LIKE IT PREPARED-- RARE,
MEDIUM-RARE, WELL DONE.
CAN YOU JUDGE SOMEONE BASED ON THE WAY THEY TAKE THEIR STEAK?
>> WELL, THAT WAS THE-- SORT OF THESIS OF THE EPISODE, "STEAK."
>> Stephen: YOU HAD A SUSPICION THAT YOU COULD DO
THAT?
>> I THOUGHT I COULD-- THIS IS A DUMB IDEA, TOO-- THAT I COULD
SORT OF FIGURE OUT WHO WAS A CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN IF THEY
ORDERED IT WELL DONE.
( LAUGHTER )
HE EATS EVERYTHING WELL DONE.
>> Stephen: SURE.
>> AND I THOUGHT IN MY DUMMY MIND, THEN EVERYBODY
CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN EATS STEAK THAT WAY.
>> Stephen: UH-HUH.
AND WHAT IS THE TRUTH?
>> THAT WAS ALSO A VERY DUMB THESIS.
NO, A LOT -- >> Stephen: NO PATTERN?
>> THERE'S NO PATTERN -- >> Stephen: OLD MEN?
YOUNG MEN?
WOMEN?
>> WHAT I LEARNED IS PRETTY EARLY ON, THE FILMING OF THE
EPISODE, WE LEARNED THAT OBAMA LIKES HIS STEAK MEDIUM TO
MEDIUM-WELL.
AND I THINK MEDIUM-RARE IS SORT OF THE WAY TO GO, IN MY OPINION.
>> Stephen: ME, TOO.
( APPLAUSE ).
>> AND IT GETS ME REALLY ANGRY-- I PERSONALLY GET JUST FILLED
WITH RAGE WHEN I SEE SOMEONE ORDER A BEAUTIFUL CUT OF MEAT
DRY AGED 40-60 DAYS, AND THEY ORDER IT WELL DONE.
>> Stephen: IF I AM WITH SOMEONE-- AND I HAVE A DEAR
FRIEND WHO HAS THEIR STEAK, THE PERSON I'M MOST LIKELY TO GO GET
A BIG STEAK WACTUALLY, AND THIS PERSON-- AND YOU KNOW WHO ARE
YOU, BABY-- HE ORDERS-- HE ORDER HIS STEAK LIKE A HOCKEY PUCK.
AND I CAN'T ENJOY MY STEAK-- >> YEAH!
>> Stephen: SEEING THAT GRAY PIECE OF-- THAT SIDEWALK SLAB
THAT HE'S EATING.
>> YEAH!
>> Stephen: ACROSS FROM ME.
>> I MEAN, YOU-- YOU DON'T WANT TO JUDGE THIS PERSON, BUT YOU
HAVE NO CHOICE, RIGHT?
>> Stephen: RIGHT.
( LAUGHTER ) ( APPLAUSE ).
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: YES.
WHAT ELSE ARE THEY GETTING WRONG?
>> EXACT LIE.
>> Stephen: I CAN'T TRUST THIS PERSON.
>> IT'S THE SIMPLEST THING TO GET RIGHT.
HOW COULD THEY NOT GET IT RIGHT.
>> Stephen: THE FIRST RESTAURANT YOU OPENED-- WHAT
YEAR?
>> 2004.
>> Stephen: JUST 2004.
SO IN 16 YEARS YOU HAVE AN EMPIRE NOW.
THAT WAS CALLED THE NOODLE BAR?
>> MOMOFUKU NOODLE BAR.
>> Stephen: OKAY.
( APPLAUSE )
LIKE, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, THE PACKAGE OF RAMAN, AND PORK BUNS
IN THE UNITED STATES.
WHAT IS-- WHAT FOOD IS OUT THERE THAT YOU WISH AMERICANS WOULD
TAKE-- NOT A RISK WITH, BUT, LIKE, TAKE A CHANCE ON?
>> WELL, THE FOOD THAT I'VE REALLY FALLEN IN LOVE WITH THAT
I HOPE IS EMBRACED BY THE ENTIRE WORLD IS MEANT THAT'S COOKED ON
A VERTICAL SPIT.
AND YOU SEE A LOT OF THAT IN TURKEY, BECAUSE THEY CREATED IT.
>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU MEAN, LIKE--
>> SWHWARMAS -- >> Stephen: THE FLY
MERRY-GO-ROUND.
>> CORRECT.
>> UNFORTUNATELY IT'S BEEN RELEGATED AS A CHEAP EAT.
>> Stephen: RIGHT, STREET FOOD.
>> AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS, LIKE, A WORTHY SORT OF PLACE FOR
IT TO BE.
>> Stephen: THOUGH STREET FOOD IS NOT AN INSULT IN MY OPINION.
SOME OF THE STREET FOOD IS THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD.
>> IN FRENCH THEY HAVE A ROTISSERIE AND IT'S THE SAME
THING -- >> Stephen: IS IT BECAUSE IT
DOES THIS THAT IT'S BETTER?
THIS IS BOOD, THIS IS GOOD?
>> I THINK DELICIOUSNESS SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY, LIKE, YOU
KNOW, CONFINED-- IT SHOULDN'T BE CONFINED TO, LIKE, STUPID
CULTURAL THINGS.
AND, YOU KNOW, YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT WAS SORT OF BORN OUT OF THE
OTTOMAN EMPIRE OR JUST MOVED, AND YOU HAVE THE PASTOR TACO --
>> Stephen: THE WHAT?
>> THE PASTOR TACO.
HAVE YOU HAD THAT?
>> Stephen: I HAVEN'T.
>> IT'S ONE OF THE BEST TACOS OUT THERE.
IT'S A WAY OF EATING TACO S.
>> Stephen: WHAT IS THE WAY?
EDUCATE ME.
>> IT'S MARINATED IN SPICES AND A LITTLE CHILI AND RUB AND IT'S
USUALLY MADE OUT OF EXPORK A PINEAPPLE ON TOP --
>> Stephen: AND SLICED STACKED LIKE THIS.
>> MEXICO CITY HAS SOME GREAT ONES.
L.A. HAS SOME AMAZING PASTOR TACO SHOPS.
>> Stephen: IF I'M GOING ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD TO GET
VERTICAL MEAT, WHERE AM I GOING?
>> PEOPLE IN BEIRUT ARE GOING TO BE UPSET THEY SAY ISTANBUL.
>> Stephen: WHY?
>> THAT'S THE -- >> Stephen: THAT'S THE HOME OF
VERTICAL MAETS?
>> IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.
>> Stephen: THAT WOULD BE A GREAT NAME FOR A RESTAURANT HOME
OF THE VERTICAL MEATS."
DAVID, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
LET'S GO GET THAT TALKIE.
>> YES.
>> Stephen: SEASON 2 OF "UGLY DELICIOUS" COMES OUT FRIDAY ON
NETFLIX.
DAVID CHANG, EVERYBODY!
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.